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Old 11-03-2006, 05:22 PM
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Have you mapped and calibrated your controller?
Also your controller may default to digital mode so you would have to switch it to analog mode, see your instructions

How to map FMS

Select Tools
Analog Control

Click the Mapping/Calibration button
Then click the Calibrate button
Cycle the sticks through a full rotation to calibrate the range
Click the Next button then with hands off the sticks click the Finish button.
Now move each stick to see which bars move up and down and alter the mapping table at the left to match the desired function for that stick.
My Logitech mapped as follows
Rudder 1
Elevator 4
Aleron 3
Throttle 2

Repeat this pattern for Tail, Nick, Roll and Pitch, these are used for the helicopter simulations.

I hope this helps.
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Old 11-03-2006, 06:01 PM
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I did that, but how do you make the AA work? I do a hand luaunch, and push R, but the AA still just sits there.
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Old 11-03-2006, 07:13 PM
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i finally finished my P-38 looks sweet still needs some tweaking on the center of gravity tho... Also any tips a=on the best place to put the motors i forgot they were pushers when i was making it So right now i have them imbetween the to fusalages and on either side of the "cockpit"
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:20 PM
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i finally finished my P-38 looks sweet still needs some tweaking on the center of gravity tho... Also any tips a=on the best place to put the motors i forgot they were pushers when i was making it So right now i have them imbetween the to fusalages and on either side of the "cockpit"
You can switch props and pull it. Two tail booms and two rudders, especially
if the boom's are elongated, are going to add tail weight. The 3 grams from
the motors should be used as balance weight.
`twin boom`
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:48 PM
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Try pressing P, it may be paused. If that doesn't do it check out the forums on the FMS web site.
I've runs this on 5 different computers running windows 95, 98, 98SE and XP and haven't experenced any problems at all.

I am using FMS Version 2.0 Aplha 8.5 and models designed for this version will not work on the older versions and this model requires Version 2.0 Alpha 8.5.
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Old 11-03-2006, 08:59 PM
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Hi all, the rain stopped long enough to test fly the jet in both mods. The droopy stab caused an immediate nose heavy condition and after I got to 3g of ballast I realized that when the plane went into a turn the air followed the stab. these stabs were pointed down. Plane crash. I'm going to keep the however, if I flip it over it might work.

As for the flying stab, it was way to high. On the first flight it was just a touch nose heavy. I added .5g ballast in the tail cone. The plane then flew, but if you turned hard it would invert and try to fly inverted. This result was repeated 3 times in minutes. I'm going to lower the rudder/stab by 1/2 inch. Should I put some ballast in the airframe? Also, I have come to the conclusion that silverlit had nothing to do with this airframe. My final filight was ended by the shearing off of the styro rudder. EPP doesn't shear that way. more pics later, Tim
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Old 11-03-2006, 11:31 PM
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here are the pic's of the high stab jet. I laid a serious bead of hot glue, and had to rebalance the plane. I think I should just build a plane from stainless, then I remember the noise of my big plane impacting on the wall of the high school. And I'm terrrified, a stainless plane could cause serious injury. So I'll stuck to styro planes. I have not flown this plane under power yet. Every toss ends differently, but that could be wind. I did have to put a .5g weight under the battery to balance the plane. because it was landing tail first on the first tosses Tim
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:15 AM
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TRU online, shows many AA's. Be careful about what you try to order, they have pic's of bipes when they are selling jets. I tried to contact the persons runnining the site and got a phone number to call. I have called it before and the operators don't have a clue. Tim
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:05 AM
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I just got my light mods from djstinger. Wow does it work great. I soldered them directly to the battery as instructed. It comes with a very tiny plastic part that completes the circuit otherwise the lights would always be on. Without the plastic part, the lights are off. With the plastic part on, the lights are on. Here are some pics. I know I never really found any close up pics of this mod. I only saw videos of people flying with the mod. I used my cell phone so the pics aren't the best quality. I installed them so the leds stick out of the fuse rather than them being on the inside of the fuse. I'm not sure how everyone else is doing it. The mod really doesn't noticeably effect flight times.

Djstinger, I sent you an email. I'm waiting for a response. Hope to hear from you soon.
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Old 11-04-2006, 01:10 AM
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has anyone tried putting leds on the sl?
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Old 11-04-2006, 09:09 AM
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Flying inverted!?! You've got me there. You didn't add main wing flaps did you?
The lower tail looks better, should be flying pretty good....?

That light mod from dystinger looks great!

I got a chance to try out this method for making canopies. It works really
well and works best with thicker plastics like bottles. Now I have to figure
a way to glue it to foam without making a mess of it.
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Old 11-04-2006, 11:41 AM
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Neurotex,
the twin boom is looking pretty sharp, almost DeHavilland-esque. nice work on the canopy forming, what do you use to heat the plastic up with? this is something i've been meaning to get to as well. i finally figured out what plane i was going to build for the christmas competition, (Grumman XF5F-1 SkyRocket) and its got a decent size canopy on it which i'll have to work out. a lot of folks use clear heat shrink wrap for their canopies, it shrinks a lot, but seems to work really well. on the other hand, yours came out looking just as nice. only differance is probably weight. as for glueing it, would it be possible to glue it from the underside/inside of the fusealge? might keep the glue from spreading to where you dont want it.

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Old 11-04-2006, 04:04 PM
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The plastic I used was from the SingleWing box, heating it over
the coil burner on my electric stove. About 2 or 3 inches from
the burner works well but too much pushing can crack the very
top of the canopy, so take it slow & easy.
The picture shows the canopy in place, but it's just sitting there
until I glue it. Installing it through the bottom is a good idea. Right
now I'm test gliding it with pretty good results but I already cracked
the nose- what did I tell you.
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Old 11-04-2006, 05:06 PM
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I thought inverted flight was just part of building these things. After all, I made one hover pretty easily. The inverted flight only last a couple of seconds, the the plane dives for the ground. Tim
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Old 11-04-2006, 06:00 PM
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OK, it gets stranger, the jet now flies forward to the end of the throw momentum flips over and comes back at me. Maybe it's annoyed. I'm wondering if perhaps I have to much stab. And the stab is acting as a wing. Any thoughts?
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Old 11-04-2006, 08:28 PM
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That is strange. Check the CG.
The jet in the pic flys about as good as I can get it to.
The center of gravity is shown by the yellow cross. The red bars
are where I stuck pins to find it's best balance point- the nose
should just start to drop at about a 1/2 inch at these points.
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I think the issue is ballast. Either the stab is to big and is acting as a conflicting wing, which would put the plane nose down. Appearing to be nose heavy, and causing more weight to be added. I got cartwheels out of the plane today. The other option is that the plane is top heavy. Under power the stab could cause a top heavy condition, maybe pitch the stab at 5 degrees down? Tim
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Old 11-05-2006, 12:48 AM
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neuro, I think i'm top heavy. the plane wants to fly, but is getting mixed directions. It flies out and then comes back at me inverted. I'm thinking of cutting the stab shorter. Maybe oe of you lurkers has the answer.

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Old 11-05-2006, 12:53 AM
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neuro, I think i'm top heavy. the plane wants to fly, but is getting mixed directions. It flies out and then comes back at me inverted. I'm thinking of cutting the stab shorter. Maybe oe of you lurkers has the answer.

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Nope, I was thinking it might be still related to "Center of Gravity"... [sm=confused.gif]
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Old 11-05-2006, 01:27 AM
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you got that all painted up pretty darn quick neurotex! looks like somethin straight from the world war days, especially with the silver and blue. even if that baby doesnt fly as well as you want, you could stick it in a display box and yes you were certainly right, they all do crack (and sometimes, so do i).

thanks for the canopy making info, i'll have to give that a shot sometime soon.

tim, after cutting the verticle stab down, try mounting the horizontal stab without any deflection up or down. then try putting some flaps on it so you can adjust it in little incriments. try unpowered test glides first, with throttle/power comes thrust angle changes which can just make things even more of a pain to sort out.

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Old 11-05-2006, 02:24 AM
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But when airplanes "do crack" they go inverted and fly back at you[sm=spinnyeyes.gif]. Sorry, it's 2:21am and I really should be in bed.

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Micro, this plane loves test glides. But when I hit the power it does different things. The latest trick is, wait for it... cartwheels... I toss and the plane does cartwheels. I put more weight in the tail, but cartwheels seem extreme. Is it a cartwheel when the plane does flips? Tim.
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Old 11-05-2006, 07:17 AM
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You're not so much inverted as you are looping. If you were 100 feet
up you would loop all the way to the ground. You're standing on the tail.
Top heavy or bottom heavy doesn't matter if the plane is not center balanced
to the wing.
Where's center on your plane?
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hey don't laugh... I got this puppy crank'n[>:] but when I pulled out I
couldn't handle the G's.[X(]... passed out![:'(]
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