tails13

I run 3s with the new 4800 castle in the 2.4 Firestormand it's fine. So 4600 should be a cinch.

The only time Ihad any temp issues were when running off road, but the ESCwas still only at 150 max. The motor never went above 120 with 19/87.

Ichucked an 18t on now that I'm mainly driving off road and not as interested in top speed and the ESCtemps dropped to between 90 and 100*F. The motor is still at only about 120. Ichecked the max speed out of curiosity with the 18t and still got 45mph max speed. My body posts have been worn down from flipping at high speed and sliding on the roof now.

nitro-rob

The new version of the FS has a newer generation ESC, I would expect it to handle 3s better than the SW1 which has been  discontinued or is likely the new duratrax ESC.

redfisher1974

Hell of a storm last night hey Rob, I am still waiting for my front upright to show up and I have a new bearing set to put in. not sure why my setup runs hot (175f) I run 19/87 on-road with a Mamba Max esc and a 4600kv 2 pole motor on 3s. I also have the ESE heatsink motor plate, only thing I can think of is the 2.8 30 series tires and rims maybe have more drag...I may replace the 4600kv with a 4800kv 4 pole someday...

nitro-rob

I heard about the big storm but we missed it.  There was an hour or so of light rain with lightning in the far distance and that was about it.  I was away today and will test the 2-pole 4600 tomorrow.

nitro-rob

I put the 2-pole 4600 in the other firestorm. Its very different than the 4-pole. 88/18 gearing, mamba max pro, 5Ah 35-60C battery, torque control 8, punch contro 60%. Same punch and torque settings and battery I use on the 4-pole. Its way way faster. The 4-pole has more torque, has less speed and runs a lot cooler. The 2-pole ran up to 170 tonight. I need to gear it down more and likely will turn the torque control down more.

I'm should run the wires through the shock towers...

The ESC worked fine but can't run sensored motors well any more for some reason. Should be fine in the blitz when I run an SCT 3800 motor.

mercerbeef

Nice work table! wife help you with it ? lol what brand are your wheely bars?

nitro-rob

Thats the kitchen table. My wife has a sarcastic, kitchy style. One is a T-bone and the other is from the guy on ebay, I can't remember the name. I don't recommend the aluminum one. It bends, is heavy and is narrower.

I put road rage tires on to bring the gearing down a little to save heat.

nitro-rob

Went out with the shorter diameter tires on the 2-pole and temperatures were at 170 within 15 minutes.  It was a hard, wide-open run.  The 4-pole runs much cooler.  I can see how they put a 4-pole in the new brushless storm and are comfortable with people running 3s on it.

NoPancakemix

Random Quesh. . . . what weight shock oil do u use? i use a losi med racing
and im sooo lost on this talk of poles and such can anyone dumb it down i think i know it refers to Lipos?

thehuntingterminator

poles are the number of magnets inside the motor. more magnets means it has more pulling power resulting in more torque.

NoPancakemix

I see. . .  soo along with the right ESC+batt+Kv=? ualso can get more out from diff magnet numbers. . . . I see so with more poles there is more heat

redfisher1974

Have you put the gun on the 2 pole?

NoPancakemix

I kinda dont have one. . . never had the chance to get the proper gear and i dont even know what pole my velineon is im reading and it doesnt give it in the specs. .  . Man ive got a lot to learn if there was any text book id pay for R/C Makers need to cough it up lmao

redfisher1974

Sorry dude, I should have said I was asking ROB...

thehuntingterminator

i think the VXL motor is a 2 or 3 pole, not sure.

NoPancakemix

Oh <.<. . . and thanks hunter so can anyone tell me for a basher do i need to go any higher then 2 or 3 im not big on speed no place to really let her scream and also i dont plan to convert to lipo till after school. . . i get enough wheel stands and beating cars in races with 5400Mah rocket packs(smoked a BMW 745 off the line lol)

thehuntingterminator

well, technically there's no need to get any higher than a 2 pole, but power hungry people AKA Nitro-Rob, haha, want as much power as possible, so they get a higher poled motor. my VXL system works great for bashing. and remember you can always control torque/speed and temps. with gearing, so a 2 pole will work fine in most applications, it just may be a little low on torque.

AL3xGR

With 4 pole you won't only have higher torque,but also acooler motor .And you'll be able to gear higher(higher top speeds)

redfisher1974

The above is correct.

nitro-rob

I hope to put the gun to as soon as my buddy is free. There is no 3-pole, they have to be in even pairs since each battery has a N and S pole.

redfisher1974

how high do you think you could gear the 4 pole before you hit 175f?

nitro-rob

I bet 83/23 would put things on or near the edge with heat.  You definitely wouldn't be able to run wide open all the time with that setup.

NoPancakemix

OOOOHHHHH. . . sooooo More poles= less strain on motor= less heat makes sence. I would venture in to that world unless i get a new storm one that ill hop up for speed. Sides most of those arent water proof and i love snow and rain bashing ^__^
The next few posts ill finally be able to upload pics shes been through a lot including yest another bulk head snap so im done till fall

NoPancakemix

Ok first set of pics are me adding spings to the front but i wanna know do you guys think soter springs are better for bashing to put most of the force in to the shocks while rolling and flipping?

NoPancakemix

Oh these are pics of the yet still broken upper brace from a year ago after wedging it uder a car tire cause the radio when out >__< Dont even know how. havent replaced it cause im looking to get an aluminum once or carbonfiber. i feel like the aluminum once from integy would would strain on the other stock parts and bite me in the butt later. . . and i see a feew people have the carbon set up how does it take to bashing if you do?