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Old 07-01-2009, 01:26 PM
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I have been posting pictures of my Scale Jet S-76 build on some of the other sites. I thought o myself, Why not post on another site for you folks who do not know or visit these other places so here goes.

Give me a little time and I will get some past pictures posted and post some current in progress photos as well.

This Build will be a flying replica of the full scale helicopter I work on. I have chosen this one, well because it is my baby, plus I now where to get all the documentation I will ever need.

here are a few "tease" shots of the full scale.

Thanks and enjoy,

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Old 07-01-2009, 11:30 PM
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Thanks Butch! I'll post some shots of mine when it gets here. Can't wait to see that cockpit.

Guys, his model (like mine) will be a 7-foot long ELECTRIC with an 8hp motor that runs on 12S 6P 10,000 mAh lipos!!
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Old 07-02-2009, 03:51 PM
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What a beautiful machine you have coming Michael. I look forward to the day when mine is flying around, which should be soon.

I first learned of the possibility of this fuse being manufactured, Hmmm, maybe, 2000, or somewhere around there. I was just getting into scale helis and working on the full scale thought, I GOT TO HAVE ONE. I got in touch with Sandy from V-East who was heading up the project and made a deal. Was a pretty simple deal. "If you build it, I will buy it". Sound simple enough.

I sent some photos to Sandy for reference, and talked with him every so often on the progress, and built a very good friendship along the way. It took a long time to get the fuse into production. I have a very good idea of the hurdles that had to be crossed to make this happen, and I will say, I would have quit a long time ago. For this, Thanks to Sandy for not giving up on this project. If he had,s this beautiful model would not exisit.

OK, enough of the sucking up here. Iam starting to slobber all over myself.

This build started" out as a Turbine. A Jaka with SD top mount mechanics. Rumor has it an e-power system was in the works. "OH SNAP" I was all over that. Sold the "T" bought the "E". "YOUR A GUINESS GUMP". This simplified the build 4 fold. No heat or exhaust to deal with, more power, less weight even with the nuke power supply, no JP5 and propane, and all those fuel tubes and fittings, "Fittings and Tubes and Fuel" OH MY. That was...

Anyways, Thats how they say it in the midwest, here we are, sitting on the Group W bench, chugging along with the build. I have attached some photos from kind of day one to present. There may be some gaps here and there after my neighbors parties. I have the coolest neighbor. His entire back yard is a frig-gin Bar. Dude, I am telling you, some establishments wish their place was as nice as his.

Happy 4th Gents,

more to follow,

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Wow, that's interesting about your involvement with him on this. I've known Sandy since 2003; I met him at the WRAM show. I watched the S-76 being created and in the meantime bought Sandy's Air Maui and his Bell 222.

So you actually started the turbine version? Did you sell it?

I just got the batteries yesterday and attached a crummy iPhone picture of them. Big as all getout!! I also invested $462.00 on a Class D fire extinguisher!! Some places had the same one for $700 so if you want one, I'll send you the link.

No fireworks at my house on the 4th or any other day! I also bought the hyperion dual charger that does 15amps. That sucker will charge both batts simultaneously in under an hour.
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Some nice Bricks there Mr.Kranitz,

The involvement was minimal. I sent some piece and would like to think he used them. The fuse is pretty darn close to the full scale counterpart.

The fine detail is not there but what scale ship does. That's up the the end builder. This is why we drink. Hehe.

I did sell the turbine and mechanics to a fellow in Italy. The choice to go E-power was much better for me here on Long Island. There are very few places that allow turbines to operate. There is a length factor with a turbine for sure, however the e-system is a much more simple and a more user friendly way to go in my pea brain. The weight being forward is a HUGE +. The complexity of the exhaust and to shield the fuse from the heat, nuff said.

I will be building batteries tomorrow, we can compare bricks. LOL

I did not have day one photos on this computer so I short changed you guys. Here are some pics of the beginning of the IP and the internal support for the stab.

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Old 07-03-2009, 07:48 AM
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Some work on the IP.

I will chip away at this over time. I can only sit still making little parts for so long. The panel itself is about 225mm so its really not that small. This part of building the panel is the easy part. Installing all the little lights, knobs, and switches is when I worry about the men in their clean white suits.

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Old 07-03-2009, 11:43 AM
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So Butch, let me ask you:

How far can you fabricate this so a moke like me can take the materials, buy electrical stuff from Radio shack and sit down for a long winter's cockpit project? How do you get the dial facings? Do you have photo quality images of the screens so I can print transparencies and back light them?

I'm so lost....[]
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Old 07-05-2009, 06:50 AM
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Good Morning Mr. Kranitz,

I will make a mold of the IP, center console, and CB panel. I have yet to work out all the details for the displays, but I have a pretty tried and true method to use on this panel as well. The end user could finish the raw panel, do the final detail, purchase the light sheets and have a complete panel in a few evenings. You may need a little more than a fork and knife from the kitchen but doesn't everyone have a 10,000sq-ft machine shop like I have. It would be no problem for the modeler to complete the panel. Just kidding, the shop is only 9600 sq ft.

We built some bricks the other day and here are a few photos

2 each 6s 10,000mah packs

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Old 07-26-2009, 07:58 AM
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Been a slow past few weeks on my Scale jet e-76. The helicopter I am the Crew Chief of, was down for it's 12 month inspection checks. This requires me to stay with the helicopter while the maintenance is being performed. I was able to get home on the weekends but did not have time to work on the model.

Thought you guys might like to see. Here are some photos of the full scale in maintenance.

Butch

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Old 07-26-2009, 09:03 PM
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aahhhh the joys of packin floats. Worst job ever.

very clean machine you have there. you should see our crap. road hard and put away wet.
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:11 AM
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jmamm,

I could be missing something but I really do not recall the "joy" of packing floats. HeHe.

sounds as though you are experienced.

Thanks for the comments on my bird. She is still a baby. 255TT when these pics were taken. We run about 50 a month which is a good pace for corporate and only one mechanic.

I have ESC and battery support structure installed. I still have to install the decks for the batts which I plan to use Velcro straps to hold them in place. I also ordered up the JR 1222 and a couple of 6010 regulators for that bad boy.

A couple of shots.

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bwellmaker,
ya i have a little (20 years), i work at Chester County across the way from Sirkorsy(keystone helicopter). your little one is looking good, can't wait to see it when it's done.
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I have been home for the past week or so. Girlfriend had some surgery last Tuesday, came home Wednesday evening and I have been keeping an eye on her. She has been sleeping a lot which has given me time to, well do what heliguys do.

I have been able to tie up many loose ends as seen in the previous post with the battery and ESC installation. I made a mock-up slider and spacer for the tail. The control bell crank and slider I have is a prototype from way back. The new version is more of what you see here.

I installed some "Jewl-ery" in the form of 5, 8717. One for the tail, and 4 for the swash. I also installed the carbon tail control rod. I am not sure I like the angle of the input rods from the servos to the swash. This could be corrected buy installing a longer ball on the swash. Once everything is powered up and I get a chance to overview the geometry, we will see where we go from there.

I have a JR 1222 RX and 2, 6010 regulators on the way. I will be running 2, 7.4, not sure what mah, lipos battery's into this RX and regs. I have not purchased a gyro for the tail. I like the 401 for its simplicity. Its a good gyro for scale stuff for sure, but when I flip this upside down, doing rearward flight at mach .63 with 720 degree per second piros I am thinking it could blow out.

Here are some photos of where it is today. It is starting to look like something.

Is that a nice follower or what? Notice who make it...

Butch
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Great progress, Butch. How come you are using separate receiver batteries vs. the power from the packs? Is the answer obvious? (like you don't like doing autos without surface control)?
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Michael,

That's one really good reason. I would always want to have surface control, no mater what.

I am no e-gooroo, but I kind of feel with a project of this magnitude, (nice word there, kind of reminds me of "Liquid Hot Magma") they should be separate. With 10,000mah of battery side saddled to this thing, I doubt there would ever be an issue. Not that the avionics will draw that much, but I believe it will give cleaner power to each sub system. I could be smoking crack, but its my story I can tell it my way.

These guys listen to what I say, but then again I feed them. Meet Cyrano and Roxanne. Guess which is who. I wonder if the nose gives it away.

Oh, and I cant forget Goliath. She, that's right "she" is an African Leopard Tortoise and weighs almost as much as my 76. I feed her too but she never listens.

The 1222 uses 2 each 7.6 but are completely separate internal to the micro processor. If one cell, in one battery fails, the battery becomes discharged, shorts etc, there is still redundancy with another battery. I will still have a full regulated 6v powering the control surfaces.

I put this thing on a scale last night. The doors, engine cowl, and race car were not installed and it weighed 29.2 lbs.

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Old 08-12-2009, 02:29 PM
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All that bling I purchased sometime ago, well I have been trying to find a good place for it all. It looks a lot worst than it really is. It is a bit of a rats nest at the moment.

I did power the flight controls last night. Everything moves just like it is supposed to. I did replace all the bearings in the tail grips with ABEC#7. The tail as I have mentioned before is a prototype. It has been around waiting for awhile to be used. The bearings felt a touch rough so it was a good reason to change/upgrade them. I have also been working on the plug for the center console and IP.

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I did a little tidying up for the harness. A before and after pics. The green wrap is a Nomex cloth with a fishing line type skeleton to retain its shape. Its much nicer than spiral wrap and it looks better too. installed a RX tray as well.

I drilled all the holes and installed the Dzus fasteners in the console plug. I biffed the second to last hole. No worries. It all better now.

some pics,

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Hey Butch,

I took delivery yesterday. I was a bit underwhelmed by HeliFactory's output. Sandy is working very closely with me to fix things, but they unplugged every receiver lead and didn't label anything. The mdl file they sent for the 14Mz has a mucked up pitch curve so I don't trust anything else in the program.

I'm taking the ship to a local guy today to do a bit of paint touchup around the windows. Joe Howard's painting is superior to these guys' work but it's not bad. Overall I was frustrated when I opened the crate to find no cradle and the ship just sitting in loose fill!! Absolutely moronic.

I'll have more detail later, but I'm now trying to learn the HeliCommand from the ground up. Joe installed it in my Agusta and I intend to learn it top to bottom so I can set my S-76 up the way I want. The thing I'm wrestling with now is whether to have a "pilot" channel that allows me to turn it off or reduce the gain from the transmitter. I also want to understand the best way to work with trims. So if the heli drifts forward and to the right, do I move the sub-trims to keep the trims at 0 or do I have to go into the software?

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Glad you received you heli. I will drop you an e mail.

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Here are some shots after paint touch up and a new S-76 C decal!
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Old 08-22-2009, 07:35 AM
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Michael,

That looks great. Someday soon mine will be there. I plan to paint my 76 all one color as the one I maintain.

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Michael,

That looks great. Someday soon mine will be there. I plan to paint my 76 all one color as the one I maintain.

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I've got to encourage you NOT to do that. I get the tie in with your current ship, but if I might, let me give you some straight up feedback:

1. One color is boring!

2. I believe you will have trouble at certain orientations and with something this big and expensive I wouldn't want to take that chance.

3. Resale. If you ever want to sell it, it won't move as quickly being one color because the buyer won't have the attachment you have to that scheme.

There. I said it.

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Here are some shots after paint touch up and a new S-76 C decal!


Absolutely beautiful.

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Hello where do you find the "fan cooler" there? How many volt they work?Thanks in advance
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Hawk079,

I am not sure which fan you are asking about, there are 4 on this heli, 1 mechanical, 3 e-Powered.

All of the fans came with each component. The small fans on the regulators come from JR. They are built into the regulator. I did not measure the power draw. They are brushless and regulate the 7.4v down to 6v for the flight controls so I would guess it is not much. The same for the ESC. It came attached to the ESC. The ESC is a Kontronik Jazz 63V

The motor fan also came with the motor. I am running the motor on 44V.. The motor fan is attached to an extentionon the motor shaft.

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