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Old 12-26-2005 | 08:52 PM
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Hi i am thinking of buying a cox 010. But what plane would i put it on rc?

Rubber powered Mustang , span 18.5 inches http://www.flyzoneplanes.com/airplanes/hcaa0100b.jpg

Electric mustang , span 20 inches http://www.flyzoneplanes.com/airplanes/hcaa0239b.jpg

Gulliows spit http://www.guillow.com/GuillowDetail...=20&FamilyId=1

Guliows f-15 in pusher mode? http://www.guillow.com/GuillowDetail...=26&FamilyId=1

Can i pretty much use any 16-24 inch gulliows ff model to convert to rc with the cox 010. I would like to know before i go out and buy the motor. What radio gear do you use? i have a Hitec Feather rx, i think
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The 16" guillows kits are very small, you need to build them at under three ounces to fly with the 01 and not smoosh themselves on every landing. The 24" warbirds are too large...the 24" civilian planes will be fine, the high wing ones.
The F-15 is a pusher. You would need to carve your own prop, not easy on this scale, as you will need every drop of power, and a hand-carved prop won't do that.
Either of the foamie mustangs should be great to get your feet wet.
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So really the 18.5" mustang will work for rc and the cox .010?as will the20" flyzone electric ff?
Can i use any other Gulliows kits that you know of? Can i use any model as long as its inbetwenn 18 and 20 inches? Also what servos and battery do i need? Thanks alot for the info
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Would the f-15 work with the .010 in puller config? I know my lhs has one for $20!!!and they have a life time suply of guillows, dumas, etc ff kits!!!so ill go down later if i get a chance

What setup, electric or glow would fly the 16.5" guillows planes?

What would this be like ? http://www.guillow.com/GuillowDetail...=23&FamilyId=1
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spadalltheway, I personally would not take on that F-15 kit. It was designed as a display model and even after all of the re-engineering necessary for R/C, it might not fly well. Although I wouldn't be surprised if someone here like CP hasn't pulled it off already.

I think a Peck Polymers FA Moth might be a cool choice: http://www.pennvalleyhobbycenter.com...ngAcesMoth.htm
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Would the f-15 work with the .010 in puller config? I know my lhs has one for $20!!!and they have a life time suply of guillows, dumas, etc ff kits!!!so ill go down later if i get a chance

What setup, electric or glow would fly the 16.5" guillows planes?

What would this be like ? http://www.guillow.com/GuillowDetail...=23&FamilyId=1
I have flown the 16" guillows warbirds with a GWS-50 eletric motor, they scream! But a very advanced model, tough to fly, and tough to build it light enough. I built the Hurricane for an 01, it did not fly successfully.

You can fly a plane even bigger than 20", but a high wing plane.
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OK ill take your advice on the f-15. I was mainly after a scale--ish plane or maby even a pattern-ish plane, does anyone have plans for a pattern plane i can scale down? But if i found a guillows kit 18.5-20" would that work? Has anyone converted the two mustangs that i posted in my 1st post? So you think they will work? Which one should i get?
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That 17" mustang is from an extremely light and fragile series of Guillows models, it will break into a thousand pieces on landing with RC.

Get the smallest servos you can find, like cirrus 4.4g ones, and a 50 mah rx pack.

The Flying Aces Moth would be beautiful, yes...
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spadalltheway, I personally would not take on that F-15 kit. It was designed as a display model and even after all of the re-engineering necessary for R/C, it might not fly well. Although I wouldn't be surprised if someone here like CP hasn't pulled it off already.

I think a Peck Polymers FA Moth might be a cool choice: http://www.pennvalleyhobbycenter.com...ngAcesMoth.htm
I think it has been converted successfully to RC, as an electric pusher...that particular aircraft, the F-15, seems to fly great no matter what, so I would not be afraid to try one with a prop in the nose!
But...lots of work.

Try one of the COX foam warbirds, they come already set up for RC electric...
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Ok, ill have to look around the shop and see what they have. what would the guillows 400 series be like with a cox .049?i already have one of them.Ill probly do that or convery a gws plane to .049 power......
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Check out this beautiful little 4 channel Super Chipmunk that Matchlesaero built. It should give you an idea of what an .010 can do with 5oz plane.
http://donatelli.net/_write/contest2...sue.asp?id=207
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Very Nice, looks to be same size as flyzone p51
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Ok this might be my final question, thank god, lol. My decision is between these 6 things and i would like to know your thoughts on each.decisions with ****** is what i mainly want to do

Flyzone P51--------for cox .010********************************************** **********
GuillowsP51, or any 16.5-17" aircraft---------WITH harder wood to make it stronger*************
Guillows18.5-20" low or high wing aircraft****************************************** *****
Flyzone Classic (yellow cubish plane)
Super Chipmonk(matchless)
My own Pattern plane plan (20" span)
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Go with the Flyzone Classic Cruiser with a new wing. It is cheap, strong, easy to hand launch and flies well. It will give you a good feel for what a small plane flies like with an .010. When you wear the plane out, you should be able to judge for yourself what to put it into next.

Here's a picture of the wing I did for the Swarm Jr. (Same as the Classic Cruiser). I flew mine at 8oz with 8 cell electric. It would be much lighter with an .010.
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OK i decided tomorrow i will go to my lhs and see if they stil have the p51 or cc lee classic http://www.jperkinsdistribution.co.u...0Free%20Flight plane.WHichever one is there i will get. Does any one have a link to the servos and battery i need. Will 4 of those 1/3aaa rechargable batteries hooked together work fine with rc and my hitec feather rx? thankyou verrymuch to the people who helped me make my decision in this thread.
Can i use the stock p51 or classic prop for the .010?

is the cc lee planes any bigger/smaller than the flyzone ones?
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Ok just a few more q's

Will 4 of those 1/3aaa rechargable batteries hooked together work fine with rc and my hitec feather rx?if not what battery pack do i need

What prop do i need for the classic cessna - p51?

how can i make a throttle for the .010

what would the guillows 400 series be like with a cox .049?

If this fails i am going to build a sleek pattern plane like a formosa but smaller
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The Classic Cruiser I was thinking of is this one. I'm not sure if it's the same one or not.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXRX21&P=7

Just so you know, the P-51 will be less forgiving than the Classic Cruiser. I have the P-40 and, being a low wing, it requires more dihedral to make rudder turns. So much so that it almost looks cartoonish. It would really be better with aileron control. The Classic Cruiser requires less dihedral because it has a high wing.

Yes, 4 1/3AAA batteries are what you want. You should be able to find a NiMh pack of about 120 to 150 mAh in that size.

No, the stock prop is too large and not strong enough for a TD .010. The engine should come with 2 props. A stiff grey one and a flexible, unbreakable, black one.

Do you have the old Feather 3 channel? Do you trust it? I've never seen one that operated without constant glitching.

Steve Adams makes a throttle for the .010, do a search here on RCU.
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Here is a link to the .010 prop.
http://www.coxmodels.com/prodinfo.asp?number=C00240
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Thanks for that, ive been flyingg for 5 yrs now so i think i might be okay with the mustang with ailerons. Ill have alook at the cruiser tomorrow and make my decision. No i have the hitec fether 4ch, but now you mention it it did kill my gws mustang, hmmmmm not this mustang it wont,lol. Can i use my micro JR reciever, its 5 channel, micro but has full range signal as any other reciever. ill look out for the preop but my lhs only has the motor i think and im %99.9 they will not have a prop for me. I might even start with my pattern plane considering thats what $10- 15 worth of balsa + pushrod etc...when the flyzone p51 is $40, and the cruser is i think $28. maby ill get the cruser. i am also planning (in a long time) to succesfully design and build a CF ducted fan unit for a .010. has it been done before. Hey i might even enter my pattern plane in the 1/2a contest, is it within the rules that i can start early?
The motor $110
The Prop $3
The P51 $40
i only have $135 at the moment, but might get some more money.
so if i build the pattern it will be minus $40 for the mustang and + $15 for wood etc...
OR i might even do one of those, FF cessna planes 9white body blue wings)dont know what they are called
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I cant find suitable plans anywhere for the 010. Please help me, again..........
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If it's the feather with the red heat shrink instead of the case, it's the glitchy one. The JR is a better bet.

I don't think anyone will mind if you start a plane now and enter it in the contest.

There are some excellent plans on Dave Fritzke's website. http://my.pclink.com/~dfritzke/
Also check out the documents section of 1/2A all the way. http://groups.msn.com/12Aalltheway
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Lol yes it is the red one. oh well it was only $50 i spent this time a yr ago. What size unit would i need for a df .010? like fan diamiter and how many blades, .010 df would be cool, and im sure with the light weight equip we have its possible to build a succesful df plane.
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You'd have to make your own fan. The diameter of a DF is significantly smaller than a prop for the same engine and because the 3" prop puts out so little thrust as it is, it may be impractical. I considered trying it with a CPU fan, but it may not hold together at the RPMs that an .010 turns. I also thought about cutting down a 3 1/8 X 2 1/2 3 blade. http://www.coxmodels.com/prodinfo.asp?number=C05410 You could try one of the GWS fans, but again, it would probably blow apart. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXHHP4&P=7
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OK, i cant find a throttle by steve adams, does anyone have a link.
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What would this model be like http://ultrahobbies.com.au/store/cus...roductid=16795
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http://ultrahobbies.com.au/store/cus...cat=347&page=1

Seems good, balsa build up kit.

Im doing these 3 choces

Own Design Pattern Plane 20" span with tuned pipe, hehe

Airsail PC-9, 20" span, as stated above

Flyzone P-51, 20" span
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I sent you a PM with Steve's email.

The tuned pipe should be quite a challenge. You wont be able to put on a tuned pipe if you use a throttle, because the throttle isn't a carb; it goes over the exhaust ports.


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