Well, after investing $ into an Airfoilz and finding that it really doesn't fly like I thought it would, I'm looking into taking the motor, esc, and other stuff off to put it onto another plane. I want something that can 3d well, have plenty of power, and slow down if needed. I have a Park 450 motor, 25 amp esc, and Thunder Power 11.1 1320 lipo's for it. I can get larger batteries if needed. Any suggestions?

rclement:

Just wondering what Airfoilz you were not happy with. Just finished a Edge 540 for a friend. Madened during a 15 mph plus wind, so could not tell much, but it would hang and harrier, and KE loop well. Friend brought me a Pigi 3D last week, ugley, but built it. It flys better than it looks, but nothing to talk about IMHO. Do have a PA Katana MD that your gear should work in. This again does not come up the the hype in my view, but its a good flyer for almost everything. Does have a tendency to fall off in high alpha and low speed stuff which I don't like. Best overall flyer I have had since in the hobby from 1948 (long time & old) is QQ's 72"Yak. Thing just hangs in there at all attitudes and does nothing you don't want it to do. Getting a good power plant for it is a problem, the recommended Elvo 26 gasser is just not enough. It will hang, and torque roll, but barely, and if you really get dumb thumb, the power is flat not there. I to would like to find something that flys great in the 40" or so electric range under $100.00, so will be watching your thread with interest. Have built and flown 5-6 rcx planes.com, best foamys I have encountered so far. I just can't seem to keep one alive for long which is my problem. They tend to make you over confident, a good thing for most except a old geizer like myself. ENJOY

Thanks for the reply. I don't know if the setup is right on the plane but it just doesn't seem to have enough power and authority for me. This is my first electric so that could be part of it, I'm used to nitro. But to explain what it's doing, or not doing, and how it's set up. It flits around and flies but it won't hover very long without falling out and mostly just doesn't seem to have very much power. I've seen guys on youtube that can hover them for several minutes, I doubt that it would do that. I brought it to our fly-in last month and one of the guys there let me put a 2100 lipo in it to try out and it still didn't have very much power so I'm not sure if it's the plane or how it's set up. I posted some questions about it a couple of months ago but didn't get any where with that. I've heard that the Mini U Stick and the Mini Pulse fly good with the gear I have so I don't know why it wouldn't with the Airfoilz.

Seams to me folks are putting the 480 in the Airloils planes. You, like me, are going through the electric catch 22's. You need a bigger motor, then your batteries will be getting hot, so you need bigger batteries, then you need a bigger plane to carry the weight, and so on and so on. Thought I had it figured out with a Hacker A30-22s in a GP Reactor, power seamed perfect it floats super slow but I ran out of mixes in my 7c Fasst radio to make it fly straight. Next stop is a PA Extra but I'm not listening to the experts-er folks selling that 380 Watt motor as a long term power plant. Instead I'm going a size up to a Hacker 500 watt motor.
Electrics might be like the gas planes, anything below 50cc size just doesn't have an engine that has power to weight for comfortable 3D. With electrics it's like the foamies are mated perfect then there's a jump up to the 48ish wingspan planes as long as you stay around 35oz.

Guys:

Thank God!!! Thought I was alone in the woods out here regarding motors and batteries. The motor recommended for the Airfoilz edge was a Turnigy 2217 something. On a TP 1320 3C1P at 15C, performance was barely adequate. Dont have a good 20 or 30C small pack to see is if things would improve with C alone. Have Hacker 20-20L on a pigi-3D that flys the same way. Stick on a 30C 1800 3Cell pack and flight times really improve but performance is about the same. A little improvement with a new Turnigy 2217/20. This is one of the reasons I like dealing with people like Bud Wilkerson at rcx planes.com, 3D hobby shop and the PA people. All my rcx planes performed great, the PA Katana with the recommended "Thrust 30??? and the AJ Extra with the Hacker 30??? perform reasoably. Was supprised with the Thrust motor as the name was new to me and most everyone else. Smaller than the Hacker, still has great power for the model and motor size, impressed here.

It takes time and money to test motors and batteries, one of the reasons few shops and manufacturers do. If we do business with the people who care enough to insure our satisfaction, we should say thanks openly. If push came to shove, I think the people mentioned above would guarantee performance with their recommended gear. That should soon separate the wheat and chaff. Just my 2 cents. ENJOY

I guess I didn't know that guys were putting the 480 in the Airfoilz. Is that for the new Airfoilz model that has the fuller fuse design? I have the thin fuse model and at the time they recommended the Hacker 20-20 but I had a bunch of credit at the LHS and they don't carry the Hackers so I opted for the Eflite.
This electric flying is darned confusing for sure.

The Airfoilz back then with the thin design used to recommend the hacker 20 22l moter with a 1350 lipo battery, I flew alot of fomies and that foamie was one of the best, it handles wind and has no bad habbits. it used to hover at just under 3 querter throttle. I'm talking about the YAK Version.

I cant speak much with the new full design but i'm sure its just as good.

as long as you have a little over 170 to 200 watts per pound, you can most likely 3D with it.

I wonder if it may be the E-Flight motors, I'm using one in a Balst which is the UK version of a Flash so would be very comparable to an Airfoilz foamie in terms of weight etc. When I 1st had it it pulled 185 watts and was great, the other day as it seemed to have no authority put it on a meter and was getting 110 watts. I've re-set my ESC to re-calculate the throttle range and it's almost up to 145 watts but haven't flown it since, the Blast though was never fast with that motor and a 12 x 6 prop but it did have torque and would prop hang / climb vertical easily.
You may want to try just changing the motor first, I've just put a ParkMaster together with a Emax 2215/20 http://www.giantcod.co.uk/product_in...2763fe1887afda they're also available off ebay as and the difference is it really flies with authortity. I think I'll see how the Blast flies with the Throttle range re-set but may well buy one of these as they're so cheap and am getting 200 watts with the same batteries and a 10 x 4.7 slow fly prop.

Anybody know what the E-Flight 450 should give in terms of watts with a 12 x 6 on it as that may be the place to start.