I have tried very hard to learn 3D . And have crashed many times only to find out I still have more to learn.
In my opinion 3D is very hard to do. So why do many people cut up someone who has mastered somthing like this.
I do not have any problems with a speed freek or a scale builder. But if someone can 3D , God forbid!

Who says it's hated?
Only people I know who dislike 3d are incapable of doing it. A good 3d routine is harder to get right than any IMAC or F3A routine LEVEL FOR LEVEL (don't try to compare a basic "newbie" 3D Routine with an Advance IMAC one). Even IMAC comps have "Freestyle" routines in some places.

Gotta admit though
If your idea of 3d is just hovering around the flight area - it is pretty boring to most people but a routine of accurate and smooth execution of maneuvres such as Waterfalls, Parachutes, Falling Leaf, Wall, Cobra, Knife Edge spins, Rising flat spins (inverted and upright, Lomcevaks, Rolling Loops, Rolling Circles, Blenders etc (the list goes on) is a skill to be admired. Then to now worry to much about proximity to the ground makes it even better as a spectator sport.

And before I get slammed for seeming to put IMAC and F3A down - I try doing that sometimes too.

Hovering over the runway will irritate a lot of people, and if youre crashing all the time, you could be perceived as wreckless and dangerous.

True 3D flight wont bother anybody, and as Steve said, its admired if its done safely and with respect to others using the field.

And the catch 22 element is: if your goal is to learn to 3D, you're absolutely going to crash (on a sim or otherwise). To learn new tricks means you must push the envelope== down low where you can see what you're doing. If you have a busy field with other guys who mostly want to fly a circular pattern where you want to practice your tricks, that's where the friction brews. You're competing for the same resources.

It's a similar issue to "helis vs planks" but the 3D airplane jocks often can't mix well with heli pilots either. Of course there are exceptions and it boils down to the attitudes of the individuals and their willingness to share and open mindedness and respect for individual differences in tastes.

And beyond the safety and respect aspects, I've noticed (with certain people) there is a definite "stigma" associated with crashing an airplane, or even flying it in an "un-airplane like manner" even if its a foamie or other bird designed to be 3D capable and durable. It seems to alienate some core elements which they believe to be prime attractions of model airplane flight: grace, beauty, scale aspects, etc.

Ever hear, "If you want to fly like that, why don't you just get a helicopter?" (as if a helicopter was also somehow "beneath" a worthy mode of flight).

know your enemy.

There are similar "hovering over the runway" arguements with helicopter pilots as well.

Some of the guys at our field are world class 3d pilots. They don't seem to bother me. Wait, it must be me, who's learning 3d that may bother others...forget I said anything...you may be right, us 3d guys, particularly me, suck.

Also, these pilots wait for most of us circlers to retire before they squeeze in a 3d session. It's always a treat to watch em fly.

Our field just made the rule, no hovering over the runway, which is a very fair rule. I find that most circle flyers won't fly when I 3d my airplanes, whether it's break time, time to watch, or just fear....I don't know . The runway is free game if only 3d is going on When other venture out to fly, I observe the rules and only 3d out beyond the runway, or most of the time I just fly the circle with them....but usually knife edge, inverted, or harrier circles . We get along just fine .

I do believe that practice makes perfect.

If 3D pilots "Bogart" the field on a busy Saturday then the scorn is justified. Thankfully most
of our 3D'ers our courtious and share the field.

You know the difference between 3D and IMAC or Pattern???

in Pattern and IMAC... a mistake cost you a point or two....

in 3D.... a mistake cost a plane!!!!!

he he he he

I think everyone who is a H@t3R of 3D is jealous they lack the tell-tale Clanking sound when they walk!!!

lol


This is WHO hates 3D and calls it dangerous!!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=046_1321934496

They call it runway for a reaon. For the uninformed it's for taking off and landing airplanes. For real planes or toy planes,it is not the "show off" area.

I"ve been around IMAC and 3D for a long time. I will agree the the 3D guys do get a good shre of flack but I also see where they have brought it on themselves. R/C has had a long tradition of: you get a trainer, takeit to the club and join, get an instructor, solo, get a more advanced trainer, learn some more, get a low wing trainer............By todays standards, very boring process. No wonder we can't get the young guys or gals interested. So when someone comes around and starts hovering over the runway with his big expensive airplane the traditional kind of guy starts grumbling. The 3D guy ( in most cases ) hasn't been in the hobby all that long and has no idea what most of us have been through learning how to fly ( AM radios with no features, slow non centering servos, heavy overbuilt airplanes, ect ) So when he is justifiably proud of his accomplishments of being able to torque roll 2' off the ground and do a rolling harrier figure eight at 10' he is labeled as arrogant and a rule breaker. Then anyone who shows up with the same type of airplane is suspect as well. We need to look at the big picture better. R/C is at a defining moment in time. We have the ability to go and buy RTF airplanes now that opens the door to new blood that the hobby needs. I think we can all do better at understanding one another if we really try, all this segregating of the groups does is hurt the hobby.



BTW 100% opinion here as it is a peeve of mine, 3D and Freestyle are NOT the same and IMAC contests very rarely have freestyle events anymore.

3D is hated only by those who can't control a plane for that style of flying

Personally I take my ht off the blokes who can fly this way and I am working on my skills to get there as well.

beats beechng and moaning about it

I've found a lot of warbird crowds don't like 3D because of two reasons: 1. they are unable to pilot to that capability 2. They think 3D flying takes up too much room and too often breaks "pattern". This interrupts their endless left turn circles with the occasional low pass and victory aileron roll climb out.

At my club, i wait till no one is flying then i fly for 5-6 mins and do what i want 3D wise without flying over the pits. The others usually wait till i land since i'm only up in the air for a few minutes at a time.

my club in Victorville Ca. is awesome.... we have racers, warbird crowd, electrics... even sailplanes and yes... a lot of big gas planes that fly 3D.... and it is funny... everyone gets along!!

it isn't the flying that is a problem.. it is the haters narrow mindedness.....

of course... everyone practices appropriate courtesy!!!

several examples of 3D'ish flight here...

http://www.giantcircus.com/VIDEO_PAGE.htm

hope you enjoy!

*note: non-profit link

Ahem.... Ever been to an air show?

Don't we all aspire to grab "air show center" ?

the context of his comment was this video..... http://youtu.be/5Enans8ABSM

That's just weird - I like it

Trouble I had with the video it is deciding which was the 3d'er and which was the "Traditional" flyer

Traditionally, I fly 3D

he he he he

I have warbirds,a Gee Bee,P6e Hawk,87"3DHS Edge,50ccYak55m,30ccYakm. Try a little of all types of flying. I like and get along well with the 3D'ers at our field. Still stick by my runway statement but all our guys get along and share time for all flying styles and heli's.

I thought the 3D'er was in the pink tootoo

Why do I have a weird feeling that this would be a perfect item for an "xtranormal" animation. I wish I had the skills to make one.

"Old Gregg the 3d'er" (or is the Old Gregg and the 3d'er perhaps?)

I fly 3D, but it would never occur to me that it's OK to hover over a runway with other flyers trying to concentrate on their planes in the distance instead of worrying about where mine is. Only a complete jerk would have such disregard for his fellow flyers.
When other guys are flying at the same time as me, I do the 3D stuff well off in the distance.

Thanks everyone!  <div> So, what it comes down to is, respect.</div>

Kinda like life.

If people stay out of each other's way they generally get along fine.

jess