If my plane can pull out of a hover does that mean that it has unlimited vertical?

Thanks

Pretty much.
The only thing that does make a difference is when you are performing maneuvers on an upline. If the wings falls off from the plane slowing down then the answer is no. Since this is the 3D forum pulling out of a hover and climbing could be considered unlimited vertical. If you are flying a sequence and the plane slows or drops a wing during 2 snaprolls on an upline then you have a problem (and a downgrade).

EXCAP232

I also like to see it accelerate on the way up. Some planes really struggle to pull out, but can barely do it. To me, this isn't unlimited. It needs to happen with some degree of authority.

Most folks to agree on the "pull from a hover" definition, but I like just a bit more before I say it is actually unlimited. After all, then it may be unlimited at 60 degrees, and not at 90 degrees.

Make sense?

If it will pull from a hover then yes it does have unlimited vertical. It doesnt matter how quickly it pulls out, just as long as it does pull out. Doesn't unlimited mean "no limit", meaaning it will continue. If it will pull out of a hover then it will do so until the air gets too thin, and by then the plane is probably out of sight anyway.

The speed and authority that the plane pulls out of a hover is PARTIALLY related to choice of prop. For example on my 36% Edge with a DA 100 with a Menz 27 10 it pulls out with a lot of authority, and with a airmodels 25 10 3 it pulls out sluggishly. Other props do everything in between.

As for Unlimited vertical, I have to agree with EXCAP, my Definition of unlimited vertical would be the ability do do a double upline snap FOLLOWED by a four point roll on a 100 degree 100 percent humidity day.

Wen pulling out of a hover you are just pulling the weight straight up, when you are doing snaps etc you are also pulling the drag induced by the maneuvers.

Rob

I guess I have never owned a plane with unliimited vertical or the pilot in question has limited experence.

I am confused Geistware, are you saying that it is impossible to preform a double upline snap, or that it is harder (for the engine) to pull out of a TR?

Thanks!

Rob

My Ultimate was my first truly unlimited plane. I could do a 5 foot take off roll, pull straight up and do a hundred points of a four point hesitation roll, with as many snaps in between as you wanted. If you put the sticks into the corners and just held them there, I'd say you would get four or more snaps, and then it might try to fall. If you centered the sticks and put the nose back up, it would begin to accelerate back up again. I guess that's what you get with a 9 pound plane and a Webra 120 though...

I think that the criteria of pulling from a dead stop hover is fine. My personal feelings are that that is still marginal in the realm of unlimited ability. If the plane is struggeling for altitude, it doesn't seem unlimited to me. I like a little more authority before I say it is really unlimited.

That's what I'm talkin' about TailTwister!

I had a Midwest Cap with a DA 50 that I could put on the runway, hold full 3d up and hit the power. It would just rotate and go straight up. (I say Had becasue someone came up to me with a check and said "That should cover the costs" and put it in his van)

So GPSpacewalker I guess what we are saying, is that for 3d, yes you need to be able to pull out of a hover for unlimited power.

But that is not the end all in having power.

Doing the Ulimited IMAC sequence needs either a) more power than above or b) the finese of a TOC pilot. You can do the manuvers without gobs of extra power, but it makes them easier. But now we are way off topic and have to start talking about unloading snaps etc . . .

Rob