Look....this could actually land someone in jail! To falsify this many non hovering pilots has got to be illegal.

"Houston Pro-Bro Hoverfest 2004"

They are NOT hovering. They are on the moon and the planes are floating in zero gravity. Joe

I just cant pull anything past you.....are you like a genious or what?

And here is a fine display of photo editing.

I am a HAL 9000. I have been to the deepest reaches of outerspace in the year 2001. It was truly an oddesy. Daisy, daisy.............

was my question out of reason? no one wants to help?

sean

Sean, your question was well within reason, it was the comment about the lunar landing that drew ire. To hover you must first prepare your plane before you can consider it. Please refer to page thirteen, post # 375. It may not be 100%, but it is a good start. Good luck. Joe

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[color=blue]Dear "cumn thru"

There is a very little difference between lunar landing and Ferrari victory. Ferrari and Schumi have been seen by thousands of persons at the motor racing track and by a lot of foreign televisions.
Why with your telescope "Hubble" don't you film your flag on the moon?
Real Moon Flight (RMF)$$$ or Almost Real Moon Flight (ARMF). Go to: http://www.hobbymoon.com

[color=red]Dear "ifixairplanes"

If you want to learn hovering, use low rate. Be gentle with elevator, rudder, ailerons and trottle. It's very difficult to hover because you must get the balance of 4 inputs. Use trottle up and down gently and continuously. Use the others in the same way. Give a wild inputs to the rudder for big corrections.

[&:]As it's very difficult, you can't expect to learn in a little time. I too can't hover. But I'll learn.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

Im not taking opinions abotu that whole moon scandal, but I can imagine CPLR flying over to the moon in his 50% B52, nicking the American flag with a pair of pliers and a hobby drill, then jet-hanging through a quasar rainbow anomaly.

I think they did land on the moon. But let's keep on topic I Flyer.

V, you have been preaching "intelligence" since Christmas and now have come out with your most outragious statement to date. You have truly taken a step backwards in the image you are trying to project. At the same time your coment is a slap in the face to all who have died in the pursuit of space exploration. Joe

Yep. I hate those guys who say NASA mudered those poor astronauts.

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[color=blue]You should ask NASA PHOTOSHOP because perhaps nobody have died in the pursuit of space exploration.

When with your telescope "Hubble" you'll film your flag on the moon, I'll believe.

You believed Saddam had a lot of A-bombs and instead you haven't found one.

But let's keep on topic.

[color=red][&:]Dear 3D beginners, bad news, no new person says anything intelligent.

BUT I AM FROM THE SAME COUNTRY OF LEONARDO DA VINCI. TRUST ME.

[COLOR=GREEN]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

I have never seen Leonardo Da Vinci. Is he real? Can you prove his existance to me? Joe

No no no no no! use as much rate as possible, just be gental. yuse expo to calm it down around the center so small sick movmets are small but if you muck up you shove in big stick movements which will make huge surface deflections to get yourself out of a pickle.

Edible, don't start with the colours.

Italy is good country and I like spaghetti but it can't take credit for everything.

I read up on this moon conspiracy and I have concluded it is crap. Especially how one guy claims that Saturn 5 took off, ditched in the sea (?) while the astronauts where hiding somewhere, then got in a plane and pretended to return to Earth one day.

Now if there were serious arguments, I mean serious with proper explanations etc I might think a little more, but I never believe a program that comes on TV straight away, because I am not gullible (I hope). Always look at both sides of the story I Flyer.

I think I will leave it there.

Fly hard, but crash gracefully.

See you at Sandown....

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[color=blue]Hello "ifixairplanes", "edible_engine" is right.

[sm=thumbup.gif]This is a very fine article about hover and torque rolling by McConville.

[size=5][color=red]INTRODUCTION

[size=3][color=blue]... practicing up high gives you the altitude you need to recover when you get crossed up, but it's a lot harder to do. Learning Torque Rolls lower to the ground is much easier, because you can see much better and make corrections faster, but one mistake and it's that old nemesis again…CRUNCH!! So try to practice with as much altitude as you can.

[size=5][COLOR=RED]STEP 1

[size=3][COLOR=BLUE]Like learning to ski, you need to know how to fall down and get back up first. You will make mistakes, even when you have it mastered. So, don't worry about how to control the Torque Roll yet. Concentrate on learning to catch the model and fly out of any mistake without losing altitude, regardless of the attitude the model falls into. This is the key to the Torque Roll.

How to do it: At a safe altitude, pull the model vertical at about 1/4 throttle and begin to hover. Use just enough throttle to pull vertical, but not enough to sustain a hover. Let the model begin to fall out- it may fall to the side, the top, bottom or any combination. Practice catching it with the correct elevator and/or rudder input, and get the throttle in it. Focus on flying out level. After you start to get the hang of it and react faster, fly out vertical.

Trickiest Part: Don't get confused and give the wrong input. Be careful, especially when the model falls with the nose toward you. That's why we start at a nice safe altitude.

[size=5][COLOR=RED]STEP 2

[COLOR=BLUE]You've now crossed the biggest hurdle to learning the Torque Roll. You can recover, no matter which way the model falls out. You have confidence that you can save the plane every time. Now you can concentrate on two new things. First, work on reacting with the correct rudder and elevator inputs to keep the model vertical. (The good news is Step 1 has already sharpened your orientation and reaction skills.) Second, learn to "fly" the throttle stick to maintain altitude in a hover but not climb or drop.

How to do it: Now it's time to bring it down to a lower altitude. Start at about 25 feet, low enough to see the model and still high enough to give you a little reaction time before terra firma. Again pull to vertical, only this time add a little more power so that the model hangs motionless in the air. Once you've got the throttle figured out, concentrate on flying the rudder and elevator to keep the model vertical. Don't worry about ailerons, they aren't going to do much while you're hovering. This is a simply a balancing act, like riding a unicycle. The model may hover or it may begin to Torque Roll to the left. Don't worry about rolling, this happens on its own and you don't need to make it roll. The model will begin to roll once it is very close to dead vertical. The better you can hold the model vertical, the faster it will Torque Roll.

Hint: Choose a calm day to practice. Wind makes Torque Rolls much harder. You will also need lots of control surface throw to maintain control. Use as much as you can get, similar to a "3D" set-up if possible. While you'll need this much control at times, it also makes it much easier to over-control the model, so use some expo. We suggest about 25% on rudder and 40 to 50% on elevator. Now you'll have the control power when you need it, but a soft feel around neutral so you won't over-control when making little corrections.

Trickiest part: Learning to keep up with the model's orientation as it rolls to give the correct elevator and rudder inputs. It takes time to get good. One wrong input and the model will fall out, but you know how to fly out of a mistake, so set up and try again. Also don't over-control. Even too much of the right correction will make you fall out. Flip back to low rates as the model falls out so you don't over control and stall the plane. Use that expo feature in your radio.

Thank you, McConville.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

LOL Fly hard, but crash gracefully. i like that one. Theres a bug in the system so if you quote colouful texty your writing sometimes goes like that, so does your signature

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[color=blue]Hello "ZepPilot"

[&:]What do you mean with "See you at Sandown.... "?

[8D]McConville said: [color=red]"This is simply a balancing act, like riding a unicycle".

I'm sure that after we'll have learned to hover, it will seem easy to us.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

and you dont generally foget how to hover once youve mastered it, like riding a bike

sandown is proberbly the biggest model show ibn the UK

Hello Vittorio,

Hope you are well.

Sandown is a big model show in the UK that lots of UK modellers attend.

Hope this helps.

Good article IF, i think it will help me when i go burn some fuel this afternoon. I flew yesterday and attempted to hover e few times but it was a little breezy and it was difficult. I got about a 3 sec hover each time and it fell off. I am becoming good at recovering from a fallen hover! I think i will move my CG back about 1" and see what happens. A funtana with a 7" CG will be interesting!

sean

Sean, I do hope that when you move your CG 1" that you do it in no more than 1/4" increments at a time. A full 1" move would be quite a wake up call. Joe

I was actually going to move my CG 1/2 at a time. The CG moves more then that as you use fuel and it is still controllable.

sean

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[color=blue][&:]In Italy we say March is a little mad. Also today there was too much wind. When it grew calm, I was able to hover for some seconds and my Magic turned to torque roll and I lost the right attitude.
[:@][color=red]When the plane falls down, it is not like with ARF (Almost Real Flight, Vittorio Trade-Mark $$$), it falls fastly and I have to react quickly.
If I flied too low, I would make a lot of crashes.

[color=green]Hello "cumn thru"

I'm sorry, but perhaps not even "Spirit" is on "Mars". I've seen a very short film in which Spirit draws too black ruts on Mars surface. Nasa Photoshop expert in graphic arts (I work in graphic arts too) has drunk too much whiskey.

Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

vittorio: When it tries to torque roll add right aileron to counteract it, this is one of the first stages in how to learn to hover