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Were all just laughing at the rubbish your banging on about, not that we care tho

Yeah, it's kinda funny. The kid demands that these guys somehow magically implant the ability to fly into his brain immediately so that he doesn't actually have to go flying and when they can't....he insults them. And I only read a little bit. Oh well, at least I'm not missing all the fun.

Ok, I've got a mate who's learned to 3d recently, fantastic flier, always was....

I learned to 3d before him and I was basically 'coaching' him if you like... yesterday we were talking about it and he said 'they tell you to practise ... i didnt know what to practise' and also he said 'if someone paid you $$$ to teach them to torque roll, how would you do it' ....

Anyone care to answer?? Its very well telling them what to do, but its difficult to thionk about it all at once, and you end up goign round in circles.. literally!

Sorry if it's a little off topic!

Cheers.

www.3drc.info

Edible Engine: Actually my 3styla rudderi n the pic is quite badly bent!! too many harrier landings All the others are straight though!!

o yes i see, how dumb of me !

You see I-F, this is what I was talking about before. I think your heart is in the right place, but some arrogance and belittlement is coming through loud and clear for a lot of people who would otherwise go out of their way to help you here.

Good Luck

Errol

[8D][size=4]Hi people

Dear cropdusterdave

Being able to hover is a very little part of 3D flying.

[:@]Mr. adrian-RCU insulted me saying:



[:@]I can't undersatand American very well, but "crap" is not a nice word, I think.

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

I guess maybe I am not intelligent!!! LOL...
I am actually picking up more of a communication issue here then I am getting arrogance from IT-Flyer.
Let see if I can help....
IT-Flyer... Americans really like "Please" and "Thankyou". These are often used expressions when someone shares something with you. (I bet this is true in Italy as well LOL) When you ask advice, get an answer, even if you disagree, asserting that the answer is wrong (Even if it is) is not always considered proper behavior.
If IT-Flyer was instead ARGENTINIAN-FLYER, I would pass it all off as rudeness and arrogancy LOL... (I am kidding!!! I work with 3 guys from Argentinia!! LOL)

good luck and play nice!!! Remember... RC modelling is not like golf... we don't need to fight with each other over "T" times!!!

So called 'mr. adrian rcu' wernt insulting you buy saying practise! he was saying SHUT UP and stop repeating things! Here, thats almost everyday language,trust me, in high school you hear lots wors than 'crap'.

[8D]Hi people

[color=blue]Dear 3D beginners, continue to follow me and we learn to fly 3D without sweating.

[sm=thumbup.gif]I have a good idea. Don't forget I'm a descendant of Leonardo da Vinci, the father of planes. [color=#FF66FF](I make a joke of stupid people and they don't understand yet).

[color=#FF0000]I will place first 100 grams and then 200 grams of adhesive lead close to the tail.

[8D][color=#0000CC]The same thing do those who are learning to fly with helicopters. They settle some weight under the helicopter to create inertia that makes the aircraft more stable.

Is there anyone (not stupid please, thank you, not a member of the[color=#FF0000] "practice and burning fuel brotherhood",[color=#0000CC]please) which has experimented with this[X(] incredible, wonderful, astonishing idea?

Thank you, thanks a lot, excuse me, don't waste your time with me. ah, ah, ah. Some people is too serious at the field, also in Italy.

[color=#CC00FF]Our planes are only toys.

[color=#009900]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]the best country in the world.

Vittorio,
To place that much weight at the tail can make it easier to hover and torque roll but you will definitely have to be carefull because as you do this, the plane will get harder and harder to fly for landing. When it starts to be a real struggle to land in a head wind, (ie. It starts to balloon up and when corrected with down elevator it puts the tail up very fast) you are getting about as much tail weight as you probably should. I think it should be a bit floaty on the landing and difficult to fly straight and level but not so much that you will crash the plane as you land.
I have no idea what the rear CG measurement limit is on your magic, but if you pass it too far you could have a real handful on landing. The helicoptor guys land and hover in the same attitude so more low oriented weight is great for them to learn with. Try it and let us know how it works for you.

Errol

never add weight!, simply move your battery pack back on a long extension wire if needed, one time I cut a hatch as far back on tail as I could, put In batt then used scotch tape to put back hatch. you can tape the batt on outside of tail to try different placements.

thanks Ian(edible) this kind of crap normally only come from guys who can't fly and now needs to find a way to justify why or how to fly - flying rc planes is no new invention it's been around for years and out of the pizza oven pops einstein!! to re invent the wheel

hello mithrandir,


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---download one of the TOC CAPS or one of the big ULTIMATE bipes. These setups are pretty good for practicing TR's. I have found that to fly realistically, I need to set the TIME MULTIPLYER to 130 to 150% Otherwise these setup just fly too good!!! I had a G2 video of myself TR'ing the big ultimate in the GYMNASIUM flying site for 2 minutes LOL.
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I quite like practising on the G2 but find most of the planes too easy to hover. What is this "TIME MULTIPLYER" that you mention in your post. I couldn't find this parameter in trying to edit the TOC TOPCAP that I had downloaded from the net.
Your comments regarding practice are spot-on.

Cheers!!

Please disregard the query re Time Multiplyer in my prev post.
I found out what its all about. Increasing to 140% sure makes it more challenging and good for practice.

Cheers!!

[8D][size=4]Hi people

[color=red]Dear 3D beginners, have you worried about my silence?

[sm=drowning.gif]I had my phone useless.

[color=blue]Good news, very good news: stupid people are diminishing in this topic. How can you recognize them? Simple, very simple: look at those who look like superior or too serious at the field.

[size=6]Our planes are only toys

Outdoors it's snowing, but we can learn ROLLING CIRCLES with Real Flight G2.

Set-up: Airport > Fun Fly - Aircraft: Extra Special - Engine: OS 40 > right thrust 2°, down thrust 2°.

[sm=thumbup.gif]Fly low and slow so that you can see the ground (Use the mouse set-up -"view" menu - to place the runway at a certain distance from you wiyh the plane starting on the left. Use F2 and F3 for the right zoom).

For us in Italy it's easier to do rolling circles, because we have elevator and rudder on the left stick and we must do an elliptic path with our left thumb.

I have found it's more simple give me a time: up - down - up - down while my left thumb is doing this elliptic path.

Play with music, when the plane crashes push space bar and "voila".

[COLOR=RED]DON'T PLAY TOO LONG: WE ARE NOT MEMBERS OF "PRACTICE AND BURNING FUEL BROTHERHOOD".

[COLOR=GREEN]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

I foy ucant'play' for too lng you wont get better

To Adrian & Edible
You guys are not understanding that Italian Flyer's English is not good. The english language is a ***** to translate & he is using words that are changing the way the sentence reads. Try reading behind what he is trying to find out. If you think what he is doing is a load of bollocks, stay out of the thread, as he asked in the very first post in this thread.

To Italian flyer
I do not change the zoom in feature on my G2. I have mine set up so that I am standing on the flight line. I also have it set to look at ground.
View>Look at Ground

Brian.

yes Ian, don't "play" with your "toys" for too long, it's considered practising and remember "practise is for stupid and unintelligent people."

lol, I love this topic, it should be moved to the RC Humor section

Having read a much earlier reply can I just correct the Guy who said as you go past 30 degrees the wing will stall, so that in a vertical hover the wing is stalled. This is not correct and shows a misunderstanding of angle of attack which is the relationship between the chord line and the relative airflow over the wing.

When the nose is in a vertical nose high position the wing is not stalled.as the relative angle of the airflow to the wing is '0' .unless there is some wind in which case if you are torque rolling the wings angle of attack will be increasing and decreasing.

[8D][size=4]Hi people

[sm=thumbup.gif][color=red]Dear 3D beginners, good news, very good news.

[color=blue]I don't understand English very well, but I think "doctor jason" has confirmed the theory that to can hover and torque roll is a matter of a right pitch set-up and not a right yaw set-up.

[&:]Could you explain please, "doctor jason", what you said in a simplier way? Are you agree that hovering and torque roll is a matter of a right pitch set-up?

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country.

I/F: to hover and tourque roll you need to have all 3 axis setup correctly, more so the elevator and rudder as aileons only make you roll.

[8D]Hi people

[color=red]Dear "kiwikuz" (and all other wellcome in this thread)

[color=blue]I have done this attempt:
I have increased proportionally the dimensions of "Extra Special" multiplying all sizes by 1,7.
I have placed OS 1.20 4 stroke engine.

The plane is more stable, solid [:@]but I can't do torque roll. Perhaps Real Flight G2 Software doesn't understand what it must do when the plane has not any lift.
What do you think about?

[color=green]Vittorio from Italy[sm=sunsmiley.gif]a beautiful country, also under the snow.

G2 int aerodynamicly as acurate as aerofly pro. G2 is a good sim but for true realism its not great[]

Vittorio my name is Victor too. But I am from Puerto Rico. A smaller and yet better country than Italy

Victor [8D]from Puerto RIco, a more beautiful country, (Where our sticks in the TX are in the right place]