Okay i have two querys that i would appreciate advice on.

1, How do i tell if i have the old hype (That falls to bits) Or the new one (is it called the original?).

2, Which is the best engine to go for A, Weston Eurotech 50 £128 (£165 with pipe) Or B, OS91 £155

Would the OS be better without pipe than the West? Do i Really need a pipe if i go for the West.

Thanks in Advance Cougar.

The older Hype with issues has not been available for a couple of years now. However there are two things you can do.

1- Don't fly it fast. This was the demise to the majority to the Hype's and many other 3D planes.

2- Install flying wires or carbon fiber strips to the stab. I like the CF strips. Remove the covering on the bottom of the stab on the leading and trailing edge, use some thick CA and lay the CF strips down. Wrap your finger in some plastic wrap and work the glue into the CF. You will NEVER break it. Or at least I have never broken one since I started using this method and I have tried.

Motor?? I like the West with their pipe swinging a APC 13-4. the OS 50 with the baffle removed does not seem to have the same amount of power as the West. The OS swings the APC 12.25-3.75 as well as the West swings the 13-4.

Cheers Ynot i was thinking about putting the O.S91 in it not the 50 do you think this would be too much Engine?

if you can fit it....

you'd never need more than half throttle, more would rip it to bits, like the man said flying fast is the demise if these things, the US style of fast aeros doesn't suit the Hype and i think is where most people went wrong

speed makes aeros much better IMO, but, as everyone has said, theese things arnt speed machines. go the west route, with the pipe. ive got one andits far far powerfuller than my irvine 53 on standard exaust. on bekra 10% fuel im turnng a 13x4w at 13,000rpm (1000rpm more than they quote). i didnt like it so i switched to the 13x4 sport. much beter IMO and far cheeper

The West it is then, i'll be going over to get it from mikes models on saturday hopefully if they have it in stock . Do you guys have any tips on building, CG etc. As this is only the second model i have put together ( The other was a Cougar ) as all my models i have got from other club members and my instructor built my CAP232 for me. I am a good flyer but a bad builder and not that confident so if you guys have any advice that would help me i would be grateful Thanks Again Guys.... [8D]

speed works great on the aerobatic planes yes, like Seductions, Capiches, and even Funtanas, but the Hype is a funfly.
Gregs Spindoctor at Sandown blew me away, very fast, but it's not a funfly.

build it as per manual and the CofG will be spot on, as the Cougar was.

Okay Thanks again guys i have a couple more question - If i buy the model with the west i'm gonna be a bit skint so cant really afford better servos, i have 5 Standard Futaba s3003 servos and a Very basic futaba 6exa radio it does have flapperon though is this worth using? It also has one programmable mix not sure the best way to put this to use??? Also would the servos be any better on 6v i have never tried this before always used standard 4.8v Packs.

Cougar, all I can add to this thread is DO NOT BUY THE HYPE. At our club we have had 2 disintergrate in flight both from the stab area. On both occasions the aircraft were being flown at moderate speed (1/2 throttle or less). Both incidents happend comming out of the bottom of a loop, the fuze by the stab and rudder just sheared and ripped the plane to bits. I saw both incidents and they were nothing special or being done too fast. I rate Westons products but the Hype is by and far a friday build aircraft. The customer support was kak as well. When the incedents were reported to Weston the reply was that they were aware of the problem. But they refused to listen to the explanations or offer to receive the bits so they could examen them. BTW both were on maiden flights as well.

[] I thought that this was a problem with earlier hypes that had been rectified now? I hope so i have my heart set on getting one now. []

i was told it'll either happen on the first flight ( if you have a proper play ) or not at all, this was with the first ones and why they've now moved factories and re-released the Hype branded it the original, as it was always meant to be.

when your already aware of the problems and what causes it having people sending in loads of bits is a waste of time, and a waste of money on the customers part.

the ultimate answer would have been to recall every kit from every model shop from all over the world ( yep, pretty much nigh impossible ) and then offer trade price ( or free, yikes ) replacements of the new kits.

the problem it's self and the fixes were well talked about here, it's a shame your friends didn't see it before their problems.

I've never had any trouble with customer support at Weston, in fact it's one of the best, but if you were in charge and your huge seller had a major problem, planes falling to bits, people ringing all the time and slagging it off, i think you'd be a bit miffed with yet another call and snap at the poor guy on the end.




Cougar, as long as your not pushing any 3D limits 3003's should be fine for now, 6v a bit better.
theres a couple here flying the same set up and their ok, and as the designer ( and also Cartman the mental man ) flies here you can be sure it gets pushed to the limits, no breaks yet.

Cheers Phill since that post i have read a few posts and have read that have wired the stab up, but i don't really underdstand how. Could anyone explain or even better a picture?

YNOT anychance of a picture showing how you put the carbon fiber strips on if so i would really appreciate it.

Thanks Cougar

you have a wire going from the fin to a tailplane side, then bottom, then back to the other tailplane side and back to the top round in a diamond when viewed form the rear. however I've never seen how this would stop the back end coming off.
it just gives more support to the tailplane it's self.
Think back end of a BF-109, thats got bottom supports only.

the easiest way is to simply drill a tiny hole in each part near the ends and thread through pull pull wire with plastic coating, then use thin cyno to fix, amazing this actually works well! the ultimate way is to use carbon rods with angled fittings.

Philly, FYI both the Hype's were 'originals'. And you are prob right about Westons CS, I would get pretty pissed if 200 peeps phoned me saying my product was kak.

My experience of the hype is that the UC plate is a little weak so I beefed that up after i ripped it out. however then I had a heavy landing and the reinforced plate then pushed the fire wall out. Had it repaired and now a fantastic plane. I chopped the tips off and am thinking of mounting dual elevator servos. Two mini digital servos. Am running JR 8411's and fromeco Li-ion 2200mah through a 6v regulator. Look at pic it looks a little strange without tips but knife edge is alot better.

strange to have the new version go.... were they brought about the same time, IE same batch? can you be sure it was the new version?

Cartman mullered his UC tho he's now rebuilt the front end and recovered the Hype to look like a Cougar, weird!
it's surpriseing the number of new Freestyle planes that have a tiny strip of ply for the UC which is 6" or more long, the parts can't take it. i've now given my Capiche a full length ( nose to wing seat ) ply plate on the bottom to take the loads, deadstick in the rough is now no problem, weight gain... hardly anything

Philly, both were bought within 2 weeks of each other and both had 'original' on the boxes.

Okay i reserved my hype and west 50 from modelcraft coventry today and i'm gonna go and pick it up tomorrow straight from work Can't wait i've got next tuesday off work so i'll spend the weekend getting it ready .

Do you guys use any radio mixing with your hype i only have one programmable mix on mine its only a 6EXA but i'm gonna get one of the new FF7 as soon as i can afford it i believe it comes with digital servos so ill be able to swop over the servos in the hype.

I was wondering if it's possible to mix the elev to flapperon on the 6EXA using the programmable mix, any ideas? or would i be better off using the mix to make knifedge easier as i don't plan to start hacking pieces of the plane to start with .

Cheers Cougar

Oh nearly forgot what props should i get tomorrow for the west. I.e for break-in and normal use.

Cheers Cougar

Did mess around with the mixes for knife edge but wasnt really worth it I thought. I just use snap flapperons to help stop the wing rock. really want to do twin elevator setup though dont like the closed loop system.

Try 13*4WAPC and 12.25*2.75 APC both work well. I use prosynth 10% on west 50 with 12.25 and coolpower 15% on 13*4W seems to need the extra nitro on larger prop.

very strange, I'll ask my insider next time i see him.





i use a 13x4 on mine, but I'm flying pattern with a Capiche, it's best on the 12.25x3.35 for the Hype.

How to break in a West... 1 fit the engine to the plane
2 put on the prop you'll use
3 fuel up
4 start it and make sure it's running ok and throttles fine, do this slightly rich but NOT "4 stroking" there should be smoke nothing else, no coughs, just off power ( helps if you use Pro synth 10% )
5 once your happy it's running ok refuel and GO FLY! Allan would tell you to fly right from the box, but you might as well see if it's runs ( it will, they are factory set about right, mine went first flick and scared the c£&p out of me )
6 after a few flights you can lean it out a click or two each flight until it's on full song

my way of running in engines now ( now i use Synth fuels ) is to run in as you would use it, if you run it mega rich it's cold and not the right running temp, so when it's "run in" you lean out and it's all shaped wrong. now if you run in rich enough to have lots of oil but at the temps you'll use it at everything will be the right shape for when it's leaned out properly. fast engines are revved hard from first flights, funfly and sport engines are treated a little more gently ( cooler running )
fly the plane as you normally would, just be aware it's a new engine and not instant response yet, other than that go fly.
i was prop hanging with my West 36 on it's very first flight, infact, it was about 60 seconds after it's first every fire, 30 seconds of that was the walk to the patch lol

Cartman uses flaperon on a switch i think, tho if you mix elevator to flap i think only one aileron would go down, you'd need to also mix to aileron. however it might have a built in flaperon, so you can use the free mix to do elevator to aileron, thing is you want both to kick in on the springed switch so you can flick it in at will.

but i don't think you'll be needing anything that fancy for now.

Thanks Guys i will try the 12.25 and the 13.

Cougar

Was thinking of getting a hype myself but want to know what an average all up weight is for it. Anybody?

Prolly go the four stroke route from what I've seen - maybe 91.

Id say stick 2 stroke 4 stroke too heavy you want to keep it as light as poss

have a look on the site www.westonuk.co.uk

if you HAVE to go 4 stroke, then a YS 63 would probably be best, sure the 91 will punch out like nothing else, but the wing loading will suffer and screw the agility