How many 12" pizzas with sausage n cheeze would I have to pass up to go with the electric?

This is more rather than less. I picked it up at a local swap meet cheap. Not sure what it is, but it is 6 pounds with the same equipment that would make the F90 9 pounds. Yes, it floats like a feather with about 9XXin of wing area and does fly lower class IMAC nice and 3D's very slow and easy. I like to fly the 10 pound F90 more though.

I think you are crazy if you think you can build from scratch a F90 that is stronger and 40% lighter than the one that H9 puts out in an ARF.

pylon , Ray--- p y l o n
not ---pile in

STG
I am pretty sure that is a Laser3d. I have built 2 of them, I got one of mine down to just a shade over 4lbs with the saito .72 and it would fly like it was a feather. Does good 3D but its lacking in the more advanced 3D category.

Thanks for the info. I have a ST75 on mine(picked it up cheap on part of a trade). It has pull pull on rudder & elevator. At 6 pounds it does float with over 9XX squares. It is weak on its side--Yes, lacking in the advanced 3D category. Real fun beater plane and 3D learner. This one has seen a lot of low inverted passes and 3D on the deck in bad flying conditions.

Here is a picture of it blasting out.

To the subject matter of the thread--I have club members that like to build ask me for info on kits that are scale looking(edge, extra, yak ect) and light. I have to reply that I know of nothing that is readily available. If you want a scale looking plane that comes in light you have to get the right arf. --60" Fliton 330, E.F. 68" yak, Funtana 90.

Fantana 90

wing span 69.5"
length 68.5"
wing area 1107 sq in
weight 8-10 lb
wing loading 16.7 - 20.8 oz/sq ft

Diablotin

wing span 66.25"
length 67.50"
wing area 1096 sq in
weight 3.98 lb
wing loading 8 oz/sq ft

I think the F90 3D's great @ 10.5 pounds with enough power. That Diablotin must float like a feather. ---What are you doing with that heavy battery pack in there? If you are going with ni packs the 2/3 AA or 2/3A will save you some weight.

My MoJo 60 came in at 5 3/4lb. with an O.S. 91FX. Very please with the kit and how it flies.

I use standard size heavy servos, batt, receiver so it will fly nicely in heavy wind. If I used light radio gear it would weigh 3lb instead of 4.

Hey pizza:

Where did you get that pipe? Who sells the Diablotin ?

I think the best thing you can do is buy yourself another Diablotin. I think you have the perfect plane in front of you already. Just buy another one and change the color of it. That way you can fly a plane that suits you and is not hard to handle like the other mass produced planes.

I would stay away from planes that are bricks and explode when landed hard. Yet I never seen a plane Explode as you mentioned out of all the crashes I seen.

Not to sound rude but just my thoughts. I have been flying a F90 now since it came out and I see no problem flying with the weight it is. If I cut the engine off and land deadstick it still floats right in. It lands the same with or without the engine. Maybe you need to practice more with other mass produced planes that are heavier and get used to them. Either that or stop watching what the other guy is doing and try one yourself. That way you wont have explosions on landings and will know for yourself the limit of the plane.

They are not hard to fly and everyone else seems to have no problem making them float with the higher weight they carry. As you can see from videos on here people are capable of doing what they want to do and having fun doing it. No complaints.

I dont think I would want a plane that light anyways. I feel the F90 is way light enough as it stands. Any more lighter and it would be an indoor only plane.

You are not serous about saving a pound on the radio gear are you?

I can't imagine a plane that size weighing only 4 pounds flying that well in the heavy wind (gusty swirly stuff). Looks like your plane is bigger than my Laser3D at 6 pounds.

I know this plane -it is that light and it is silent in flight -I flew it once long time ago- as for wind - power is always best defense against wind - heavy just makes em a slug in trying to correct

Now this is my idea of a 3D plane


NdFrSpeed

I don't profit in any way from Diablotin or pipe - just flys's better than anything else I have tried to date. I bought 2 from ICARE in Canada and 3 from esprite models - they come in diff color combos for about $275 + ship. the escomposites.com cf pipe is a must have - it weighs much less than stock muffler adds about 20% power, stretches the power band around hover speed, redistributes weight back off front of airplane, has a nice quiet thuddy exhaust note for long hours of hovering next to your ear, and is almost indestructable - will last a lifetime.
I tried to contact the designer and producer of the diablotin to see if other similar kits are available www.jr-models.cz but I need an interpreter - can anyone help? he is a modeling genius, he must have a phd in enginering and work hard everyday - nobody else in the world can do it. he went to that same light building school as dick hanson but after a few lessons dick grew long hair and droped out. cz dude struggled on to graduate top of the class with honors - what is his name and how do you pronounce it anyway?

Wow ndfrspeed, I like it on cereal, this is what I am looking for but it needs to be 1.55m square and weigh less than 4lb all up with os46. please forward that picture to einstein at www.jr-models.cz this is the only guy that can do it. is that snow or sand you are flyin on? do you know my buddy charlie paska?