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Old 12-21-2002 | 03:17 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

I think I would start to laugh if the tailwheel fell off at that particular moment !!
Old 12-21-2002 | 03:23 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

He should not have radio range problems !! LOL
Old 12-21-2002 | 04:26 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

I don't know if I'd laugh or cry if I heard the engine go.........vvvvvvvvvv.....chchchchBOOM............ ..................
Old 12-21-2002 | 04:30 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Can't resist, The people worried about the safety of this maneuver can not hover. They think the plane is going to leap in any direction at any moment if a component fails. This is not so. It will hit the ground immediately following component failure. Full 3D deflections are required at times to maintain the hover. The plane is using prop blast for control and has NO forward airspeed. I think we will see a disaster because of a helicopter or jet before one from a hovering model. Any pilot knows when a problem occurs and can move out of the way avoiding any danger. In AZ its tough to get that close because of all the dirt blowing. I don't know how chip maintained control during his walk around in the cloud of dust. It sure was great.
Old 12-21-2002 | 05:43 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

granted, servo/rx failure would probably crash it harmlessly. how about a prop failure. you probably won't see the crash because there would be a prop blade now taking up space where your head should be/was/is.
Old 12-21-2002 | 07:29 AM
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Default Heli? Oh Yeah?!

Did all of you guys forget that helis (with big, heavy cf blades)have been hovering in front of guys faces for eons without weekly reports of decapitations?!
Old 12-21-2002 | 02:49 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Originally posted by 3D Joy
I think I would start to laugh if the tailwheel fell off at that particular moment !!
I have seen a 40% cap lose a tailwheel in a hover. I did laugh.

Then I thought "What about all the children and puppies that could have been hurt by it!!!!"

Then I consulted the village to see what should be done
Old 12-21-2002 | 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by augiep38




Then I thought "What about all the children and puppies that could have been hurt by it!!!!"

Then I consulted the village to see what should be done

Good one!

Old 12-22-2002 | 02:57 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

The tailwheel on those airplanes are real big LOL.
Old 12-22-2002 | 03:58 AM
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Yeah, and my tailwheel is lead, for 3-D. I will check the Darwin Awards to see if anybody "qualified " yet.
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Default Re: Heli? Oh Yeah?!

Originally posted by AAAA
Did all of you guys forget that helis (with big, heavy cf blades)have been hovering in front of guys faces for eons without weekly reports of decapitations?!
Exactly!!
Old 12-22-2002 | 07:30 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Looking at the photo in post #10 where the plane is hovering (not the "knife edge" photo), I wondered how critical everyone gets when they're judging (casually... not in competition) a hover. How "straight up" does a plane have to be before YOU call it a hover? At the angle in this photo, if the plane were to actually go into a torque roll, it would really be more of a vortex shape rather than spinning in place. So, in your opinion should the wing lift be used at all for a hover? If yes, at what point does it stop being something like a harrier and more like a hover?

Just curious on what everyone thinks.

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Old 12-22-2002 | 10:04 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Well he's stationary in that pic I assume. And the wing surely isn't creating lift. So it would seem that he is hovering.
Old 12-22-2002 | 10:55 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Wind is a factor also. If there is any wind the plane needs to be nosed into it slightly to sustain a non-torque roll hover.

Most planes at some point, near vertical or slightly passed vertical, will start to torque roll. If you just want to hover (not torque roll) the nose needs to be slightly less than vertical..
Old 12-23-2002 | 03:34 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

actually, a plane that big and that close to the pilot is WAY easier to hover or torque roll than a 40 profile for example, and for me it makes it safer... I wish to have the required confidence in my os46fx to hover lower....

Ps: I want a saito 72 for christmas!!!
Old 12-25-2002 | 06:07 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Test your hovering abilities... hand launch your plane into a hover... torque roll, & hover some more... for your whole flight... get it all on video... and... make sure you did this with NO wing on the plane. That would be pretty neat to see..... Guess you cant do that though... you'd have to catch it at the end of the flight and isnt that against ama regs???
Old 12-25-2002 | 04:26 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Without the damping effect of the wings, the airplane will spin much too fast to be controllable. From inside a bunker, it would still be neat to see !
Old 12-25-2002 | 05:19 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Also harder to balance. The wings help dampen that movement too. Keep the wings on it. At least then you can bail if you need to without destroying the plane or eating prop.
Old 01-11-2003 | 03:39 AM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Just check out the ailerons. he is rollin right. he has to be coming into a hover
Old 01-15-2003 | 09:59 PM
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I love hovering and tourque rolling our big Edge and I completely agree that it is easier to hover/tr low and close. you can see it so much better and react faster. I have gotton to about 10 feet away from myself but I don't know about hovering in my face like that. For now at least Ill stay at about 10 ft.
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Old 01-18-2003 | 06:26 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Originally posted by CHM
Is it just me or are the shadows different? The plane seems to cast a shadow towards the right but the shadow of the man is straight away. Photoshop?

It looks like a real pic, the plane is at an angle so the shadow will be the same.
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

ok, Seba has got your fear and fron now on he will fly only model this size..
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Old 03-18-2003 | 09:16 PM
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Default How about this for a low knife edge pass!

Do you have any more info on the ultimate?

Alan
Old 03-19-2003 | 02:55 PM
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The Ultimate is a kit that Seba used to produce by himself last year.
I don't know is it is available yet.
You can contact him at
[email protected]
telling him that Mr Roberto Bracchi told you to ask him. (I don't know if my english is clear..)

Bye

Roberto Bracchi
www.modelcompositi.com
Old 03-19-2003 | 05:05 PM
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Hi Guys, everyone who criticises safety oof sebastiano's close in hovering here is slightly paranoid. I will remind you guys that this is s champion's model equipped with the latest state of the art gear. Even if one servo breaks it will still be able to prophang in a controlled manner because there is more than one servo controlling every surface.Think about how many things thar could go wrong with your car or the plane you fly on to go abroad - maybe the steering conrtrols would break. How about the brakes? You could even have a spark in the fuel tank completely by accident. Oh no because of this i think i will ban driving and flyng. And guess what? The steering wheel does not break on your car, and you do not get blasted twenty feet away by your fuel tank evey time you get in your car. Also, about the prop coming loose and impailing someone in the head. Has it ever been realised that when a prop sheds, it shoots of to the side and slightly forwards?The Katana's nose is higher than head height so nobody would get hit. One point that has been raised is that heli pilots have been hovering in front of themselves and other people for years! A friend of mine calcuated that the loads on the bolts that held each of his blades to the main head was approximately 1.5 tons!!!!! Now that would chop through anything, but we have never heard of such an incident happenning.


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