Are you ready to register your aircraft?
02-14-2016, 06:36 PM
#4427
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A 5 year old can fly aircraft and helicopters too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_LdYvlK6bM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5AzRfh-WMI Then he turned six...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct_-1Z-qYAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_LdYvlK6bM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5AzRfh-WMI Then he turned six...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct_-1Z-qYAo
02-14-2016, 07:38 PM
#4428
So no comments on the news from the AMA, just a desire for more info on a strategy that has already been employed, and appears to have been successful. So for the 10th time, have you reached out to your new district VP to ask for more details? Wasn't this the guy that was going to do great things for the district, take it in a different way than the prior "no-drone" guy did? What's going on with him, is he not up to speed on what's going on? Does he not know, or is he just not telling?
So far it looks like you and Franklin are clamoring for all these details.......others seem to be happy with the results so far. No big outrage, no more letter campaigns (those died off very quickly), no more change.org protests (dropped off your sig line quickly too)...and of course, nobody stepping up to compete against the AMA. Wonder why that is? Well, we kinda know why that is.....
Oh I know, this is only round one, much much worse is coming. I'll believe it when I see it. Til then I'll just read about all the things that might go wrong, and how horrible the hobby will be because of the AMA.
So far it looks like you and Franklin are clamoring for all these details.......others seem to be happy with the results so far. No big outrage, no more letter campaigns (those died off very quickly), no more change.org protests (dropped off your sig line quickly too)...and of course, nobody stepping up to compete against the AMA. Wonder why that is? Well, we kinda know why that is.....
Oh I know, this is only round one, much much worse is coming. I'll believe it when I see it. Til then I'll just read about all the things that might go wrong, and how horrible the hobby will be because of the AMA.
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions
02-15-2016, 03:49 AM
#4429
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate
>>>Idiots that don't how to behave with dangerous toys are the problem - focus should be in this area, regulations don't fix law breakers
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own
>>>Not a problem - they may be ignorant, but for the most part they are harmless
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act
>>>Certainly
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions
>>>True since they are numb-skulls and struggle with wet paper bags
>>>Idiots that don't how to behave with dangerous toys are the problem - focus should be in this area, regulations don't fix law breakers
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own
>>>Not a problem - they may be ignorant, but for the most part they are harmless
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act
>>>Certainly
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions
>>>True since they are numb-skulls and struggle with wet paper bags
02-15-2016, 12:50 PM
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Lasers
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate
>>>Idiots that don't how to behave with dangerous toys are the problem - focus should be in this area, regulations don't fix law breakers
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own
>>>Not a problem - they may be ignorant, but for the most part they are harmless
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act
>>>Certainly
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions
>>>True since they are numb-skulls and struggle with wet paper bags
>>>Idiots that don't how to behave with dangerous toys are the problem - focus should be in this area, regulations don't fix law breakers
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own
>>>Not a problem - they may be ignorant, but for the most part they are harmless
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act
>>>Certainly
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions
>>>True since they are numb-skulls and struggle with wet paper bags
That a hell of a lot more REAL reports than so called " DRONES"
What's our boys in Washington doing about that.
I havent seen any " laser pointer registration" ....have you ????????????
02-15-2016, 01:27 PM
#4432
More REAL problems have occurred by idiots pointing lasers at aircraft. According to CNN today 5300 reports of lasers being aimed at aircraft.
That a hell of a lot more REAL reports than so called " DRONES"
What's our boys in Washington doing about that.
I havent seen any " laser pointer registration" ....have you ????????????
That a hell of a lot more REAL reports than so called " DRONES"
What's our boys in Washington doing about that.
I havent seen any " laser pointer registration" ....have you ????????????
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/lasers/laws/
be be sure to read the legal interpretation that explains the regulations that have been violated if a person uses a laser pointer to interfer with a flight crew while they are operating an aircraft.
You may want to check out some of the penalties that been handed down that are also linked on that same web page.
02-15-2016, 02:45 PM
#4433
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There's a few points on which I'm confident:
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate lets see the numbers.....who has them, and are they valid?
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own Great,keep track of every mishap to hand to the feds. Sounds like a great idea. I can only imagine the outcry from AMA members to that!
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act Didn't that just happen, and we have a registration now? Oh wait, that's right...more bad news about things to come!
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions. They already have "legal ways"....did Pirker just throw money at the FAA to be nice?
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate lets see the numbers.....who has them, and are they valid?
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own Great,keep track of every mishap to hand to the feds. Sounds like a great idea. I can only imagine the outcry from AMA members to that!
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act Didn't that just happen, and we have a registration now? Oh wait, that's right...more bad news about things to come!
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions. They already have "legal ways"....did Pirker just throw money at the FAA to be nice?
Above in blue, nobody likes red or yellow.
02-15-2016, 03:12 PM
#4434
02-15-2016, 05:50 PM
#4435
More REAL problems have occurred by idiots pointing lasers at aircraft. According to CNN today 5300 reports of lasers being aimed at aircraft.
That a hell of a lot more REAL reports than so called " DRONES"
What's our boys in Washington doing about that.
I havent seen any " laser pointer registration" ....have you ????????????
That a hell of a lot more REAL reports than so called " DRONES"
What's our boys in Washington doing about that.
I havent seen any " laser pointer registration" ....have you ????????????
02-15-2016, 05:59 PM
#4436
Perhaps this will help with your question about laser pointers
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/lasers/laws/
be be sure to read the legal interpretation that explains the regulations that have been violated if a person uses a laser pointer to interfer with a flight crew while they are operating an aircraft.
You may want to check out some of the penalties that been handed down that are also linked on that same web page
.
https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/lasers/laws/
be be sure to read the legal interpretation that explains the regulations that have been violated if a person uses a laser pointer to interfer with a flight crew while they are operating an aircraft.
You may want to check out some of the penalties that been handed down that are also linked on that same web page
.
02-15-2016, 07:53 PM
#4438
Originally Posted by Chris P. Bacon 
People don't like registration either, but they're doing it with a smile!
I guess the only thing everyone agrees on is Bacon!
A Long Way from the estimated Million + people flying some sort of R/C TOYs. What do U supposed the FAA will do if 700,000 people don't register and continue to fly?
02-15-2016, 08:36 PM
#4439
And big dollar$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! The government is making a killing on all those who didn't register before the free registration period expired. Not to mention how much they're going to jack it up in three years just in time for the renewals!
02-15-2016, 08:52 PM
#4440
The federal government spends $121,067 per second. At that rate the 5 Million is gone in 41.299 seconds.
02-15-2016, 10:46 PM
#4442
There's a few points on which I'm confident:
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate lets see the numbers.....who has them, and are they valid?
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own Great,keep track of every mishap to hand to the feds. Sounds like a great idea. I can only imagine the outcry from AMA members to that!
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act Didn't that just happen, and we have a registration now? Oh wait, that's right...more bad news about things to come!
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions. They already have "legal ways"....did Pirker just throw money at the FAA to be nice?
- Near misses with manned aircraft and passenger carrying airliners will not abate lets see the numbers.....who has them, and are they valid?
- AMA will continue with the "we're harmless old guys" defense & will not have quantitative mishap data of their own Great,keep track of every mishap to hand to the feds. Sounds like a great idea. I can only imagine the outcry from AMA members to that!
- FAA/DOT/DHS will be under enormous pressure from the public, legislators, and media to act Didn't that just happen, and we have a registration now? Oh wait, that's right...more bad news about things to come!
- And it won't matter what this or any special rule says, the FAA/DOT will find some legal way to enforce additional restrictions. They already have "legal ways"....did Pirker just throw money at the FAA to be nice?
On your second point, I maintain that qualitative data (i.e. statements and generalities) vs. quantitative data will always come out in favor of quantitative data. AMA doesn't want to collect data, that's fine. But then you really can't whine when the quantitative data gets used against you.
On the registration, I maintain it's just the beginning. If the near misses keep happening, I suspect the registration will look good by comparison.
On my last point, I was merely commenting on all the places where we continue to beat a dead horse and say that 336 prohibits FAA from doing what they're doing. If it's such a strong case, then why isn't AMA pushing it? Regardless, it hasn't slowed the FAA one bit.
02-16-2016, 03:16 AM
#4443
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As for the numbers, when the FAA publishes the next batch, I'll make sure you get a link to them. You mentioned validity. Well, last time FAA published them, they were used by legislators and reported in the media. AMA did an analysis, came to a very different conclusion, and it was barely mentioned anywhere. A university did another analysis, and it too was mentioned by legislators and media. So it appears that two of the three were viewed as credible, one was not. Maybe because it was such a transparent attempt to whitewash the numbers?
On your second point, I maintain that qualitative data (i.e. statements and generalities) vs. quantitative data will always come out in favor of quantitative data. AMA doesn't want to collect data, that's fine. But then you really can't whine when the quantitative data gets used against you.
On the registration, I maintain it's just the beginning. If the near misses keep happening, I suspect the registration will look good by comparison.
On my last point, I was merely commenting on all the places where we continue to beat a dead horse and say that 336 prohibits FAA from doing what they're doing. If it's such a strong case, then why isn't AMA pushing it? Regardless, it hasn't slowed the FAA one bit.
On your second point, I maintain that qualitative data (i.e. statements and generalities) vs. quantitative data will always come out in favor of quantitative data. AMA doesn't want to collect data, that's fine. But then you really can't whine when the quantitative data gets used against you.
On the registration, I maintain it's just the beginning. If the near misses keep happening, I suspect the registration will look good by comparison.
On my last point, I was merely commenting on all the places where we continue to beat a dead horse and say that 336 prohibits FAA from doing what they're doing. If it's such a strong case, then why isn't AMA pushing it? Regardless, it hasn't slowed the FAA one bit.
02-16-2016, 04:52 AM
#4444
As for the numbers, when the FAA publishes the next batch, I'll make sure you get a link to them. You mentioned validity. Well, last time FAA published them, they were used by legislators and reported in the media. AMA did an analysis, came to a very different conclusion, and it was barely mentioned anywhere. A university did another analysis, and it too was mentioned by legislators and media. So it appears that two of the three were viewed as credible, one was not. Maybe because it was such a transparent attempt to whitewash the numbers?
On your second point, I maintain that qualitative data (i.e. statements and generalities) vs. quantitative data will always come out in favor of quantitative data. AMA doesn't want to collect data, that's fine. But then you really can't whine when the quantitative data gets used against you.
On the registration, I maintain it's just the beginning. If the near misses keep happening, I suspect the registration will look good by comparison.
On my last point, I was merely commenting on all the places where we continue to beat a dead horse and say that 336 prohibits FAA from doing what they're doing. If it's such a strong case, then why isn't AMA pushing it? Regardless, it hasn't slowed the FAA one bit.
On your second point, I maintain that qualitative data (i.e. statements and generalities) vs. quantitative data will always come out in favor of quantitative data. AMA doesn't want to collect data, that's fine. But then you really can't whine when the quantitative data gets used against you.
On the registration, I maintain it's just the beginning. If the near misses keep happening, I suspect the registration will look good by comparison.
On my last point, I was merely commenting on all the places where we continue to beat a dead horse and say that 336 prohibits FAA from doing what they're doing. If it's such a strong case, then why isn't AMA pushing it? Regardless, it hasn't slowed the FAA one bit.
02-16-2016, 05:54 AM
#4445
If all Million + left to register that is a pitiful small amount of money 5 Million dollars. It will probably cost more than twice that for the Government to maintain the data base, The government doesn't make money, it spends Your money.
The federal government spends $121,067 per second. At that rate the 5 Million is gone in 41.299 seconds.
The federal government spends $121,067 per second. At that rate the 5 Million is gone in 41.299 seconds.
02-16-2016, 06:16 AM
#4446
This should not surprise you, I've been a consistent advocate for quantitative data. Credibility in the aviation safety arena is all about being able to prove you're as good as you say you are. It's a world of metrics that include mishap free flight hours, number and type of mishaps, breaches of flight discipline, pilot error, near misses, etc. I do not believe that quoting the number of secondary insurance claims paid is going to cut it against the growing pile of FAA data.
I have advocated a set of metrics to help AMA build their own quantitative data to help counter the FAA data. I'm not saying a lot of people will want to keep data, but I submit that if they want to help prove the hobby is safe, and thus preserve flying rights (and also perhaps PROVE it's not our members), then I think it's necessary.
I have advocated a set of metrics to help AMA build their own quantitative data to help counter the FAA data. I'm not saying a lot of people will want to keep data, but I submit that if they want to help prove the hobby is safe, and thus preserve flying rights (and also perhaps PROVE it's not our members), then I think it's necessary.
02-16-2016, 06:21 AM
#4447
(335,000 - 180,000 AMA) * $58 per membership = $8.9 million
02-16-2016, 06:57 AM
#4450
How utterly disingenuous. No one ever suggested that "all incidents would stop". Only fools use this argument. Penalties are certainly used to punish but they can also be a deterrent to many people who might not understand the hazards of being stupid. The key word is "many" not "all".