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Old 12-01-2015, 02:04 PM
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Default Meanwhile , while everyone was arguing about DRONES ............

Anybody else get the Email about the MOU the AMA signed with the "OBAP" ?


What IS the OBAP , you ask ?

It's the "Organization of Black Aerospace Professionals"

Now , Can anyone please explain how it's fair for ANY exclusive racial organization , in today's environment of supposedly moving tword racial equality , to exist ?

If we had the "Asians only aviator's club" or the "national association for the advancement of white aviators" do you think the AMA would sign an MOU with us ?

Sorry AMA , but forming a club excluding ANY racial group in 2015 IS racism , no matter which race it is doing the excluding !


EDITED 12/6/15 TO ADD POLL ...............

Ok , here we go , a poll with two VERY clear cut choices :

Yes , the AMA should have signed the MOU with the OBAP

or

No , the AMA should not have signed the MOU .

Now , there should be NO confusion over which answer means what , It's pretty straightforward , should the word Black in the name of the OBAP have been OK with the AMA , then vote yes . Or , should the name have caused the AMA to reject the MOU based on what some here see as a racist name , then vote no .

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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Anybody else get the Email about the MOU the AMA signed with the "OBAP" ?


What IS the OBAP , you ask ?

It's the "Organization of Black Aerospace Professionals"

Now , Can anyone please explain how it's fair for ANY exclusive racial organization , in today's environment of supposedly moving tword racial equality , to exist ?

If we had the "Asians only aviator's club" or the "national association for the advancement of white aviators" do you think the AMA would sign an MOU with us ?

Sorry AMA , but forming a club excluding ANY racial group in 2015 IS racism , no matter which race it is doing the excluding !
Not put off at all by that, init4fun. There is an organization for Christian modelers, too. I'm agnostic; should I speak out against that group?
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I can not understand the need for either a Christian Modelers or a Black Aerospace SIG, but the Sheeple have been pre-programmed to embrace "Diversity" no matter what the motivation really is.
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Originally Posted by combatpigg View Post
I can not understand the need for either a Christian Modelers or a Black Aerospace SIG, but the Sheeple have been pre-programmed to embrace "Diversity" no matter what the motivation really is.
Whatever, it is not a fit topic for this forum. I expect RCKen to kill it as soon as it falls in his sights, and rightly so.
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CJ, when I hit the post button I said "Oops..I hope CJ doesn't think that I just called him a Sheeple...!"

Fair enough.
RCU is supposed to be a "Shangrilla" where we can escape the everyday grind of political turmoil.
It IS hard to separate / differentiate what happens in the Real World from what happens in our Toy Airplane World though.
I can see quite a lot of "Overlap and Carry Over" with so many issues.
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley View Post
Not put off at all by that, init4fun. There is an organization for Christian modelers, too. I'm agnostic; should I speak out against that group?
No, you should question it though.
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Originally Posted by cj_rumley View Post
Whatever, it is not a fit topic for this forum. I expect RCKen to kill it as soon as it falls in his sights, and rightly so.
I believe that since the AMA did sign an agreement with this organization , and since this organization IS discriminatory by it's very charter of being "Black only" , that it's a perfectly fair and reasonable topic for the AMA forum . Sorry you disagree , but championing the closing of this thread is the height of "politically correct " censorship . I promise you if the subject matter bothers you that I will not force you or anyone else to participate against their will .....

Yes , folks , discrimination sure does work BOTH ways , and since our organization has chosen to align itself with them , the plain fact is that the AMA is condoning Black against White racism . Which , BTW , is just as ugly as White against Black racism , or any other racism that one can think of .

Does skin color REALLY matter when it comes to who enjoys model aircraft ? Why did this organization feel the need to exclude all but one segment of the population ?

Totally wrong , this trend of "reverse racism" that has flourished as of late .......
Old 12-01-2015, 05:40 PM
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Raise your hand if your an African-American. Now provide the proof that you were born in African an immigrated to the USA.
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
I believe that since the AMA did sign an agreement with this organization , and since this organization IS discriminatory by it's very charter of being "Black only" , that it's a perfectly fair and reasonable topic for the AMA forum . Sorry you disagree , but championing the closing of this thread is the height of "politically correct " censorship . I promise you if the subject matter bothers you that I will not force you or anyone else to participate against their will .....

Yes , folks , discrimination sure does work BOTH ways , and since our organization has chosen to align itself with them , the plain fact is that the AMA is condoning Black against White racism . Which , BTW , is just as ugly as White against Black racism , or any other racism that one can think of .

Does skin color REALLY matter when it comes to who enjoys model aircraft ? Why did this organization feel the need to exclude all but one segment of the population ?

Totally wrong , this trend of "reverse racism" that has flourished as of late .......
The AMA leadership would have gotten all sorts of unwanted negative publicity by saying "NO, we don't recognize groups that are religiously, demographically or politically based."
This is the leverage that the News media exerts on mainstream America to further their long term goals.
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OMG you people are ignorant! I don't even believe you know what racism is, research the definition. Research what black aerospace professionals do, very similar to the women aerospace professional organization. Talk to some members..... Understand the history and the stories of the members.. If the OBPA was racist they wouldn't be getting involved with the AMA!!! and with all the regs coming up on the RC community we need all the allies we can get! I'm not getting involved in this silly thread I just wanted to let random people that may read this that all people involved in this hobby are not as blind or ignorant as those who have posted.
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I don't see either the Fellowship of Christian Modelers or OBAP being an official AMA SIG. They are simply organizations that are promoting an interest amongst a group of people who have something in common. As a member of FCM the goal of the group is to help modelers keep their hobby in perspective, and not allow it to become an "idol" which becomes more important than God, family or country and to share the gospel of Jesus Christ amongst their fellow modelers. I see OBAP as a group of people trying to promote an interest in aerospace careers to a group of young people who historically are not as involved in aviation and could be at risk for making poor choices in life. An MOU is just an official way of the AMA saying we support you in what you are trying to achieve. No sheeple involvement here.
Originally Posted by combatpigg View Post
I can not understand the need for either a Christian Modelers or a Black Aerospace SIG, but the Sheeple have been pre-programmed to embrace "Diversity" no matter what the motivation really is.
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Originally Posted by raptureboy View Post
I don't see either the Fellowship of Christian Modelers or OBAP being an official AMA SIG. They are simply organizations that are promoting an interest amongst a group of people who have something in common. As a member of FCM the goal of the group is to help modelers keep their hobby in perspective, and not allow it to become an "idol" which becomes more important than God, family or country and to share the gospel of Jesus Christ amongst their fellow modelers. I see OBAP as a group of people trying to promote an interest in aerospace careers to a group of young people who historically are not as involved in aviation and could be at risk for making poor choices in life. An MOU is just an official way of the AMA saying we support you in what you are trying to achieve. No sheeple involvement here.
So it's just a ceremonial endorsement then..?
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Black Pilots Matter?
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Originally Posted by mugenkidd View Post
OMG you people are ignorant! I don't even believe you know what racism is, research the definition. Research what black aerospace professionals do, very similar to the women aerospace professional organization. Talk to some members..... Understand the history and the stories of the members.. If the OBPA was racist they wouldn't be getting involved with the AMA!!! and with all the regs coming up on the RC community we need all the allies we can get! I'm not getting involved in this silly thread I just wanted to let random people that may read this that all people involved in this hobby are not as blind or ignorant as those who have posted.

Um , no , NO ONE here is "ignorant" !


However , is is very short sighted to not see the obvious racism in this organization . Just try forming the "Organization of White Aerospace professionals" and see how far ya get .

Only white people can be racist , huh ? When any other group excludes all others that's OK , just as long as it ain't white folks who are the club's only allowed members .

Thanks for stopping by ......
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"Diversity" by it's very nature cannot be anything but discriminatory. OBPA and FCM certainly have a right to exist but why the AMA feels they need to have an MOU is beyond me. What, pray tell, is the "enderstanding"?
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post


Just try forming the "Organization of White Aerospace professionals" and see how far ya get .
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If you did form an all white club, ignorant hypocrites would picket it and try to burn it down.

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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post

Sorry AMA , but forming a club excluding ANY racial group in 2015 IS racism , no matter which race it is doing the excluding !
Today's Liberals make it ok to be proud to be ANYTHING other than white.
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Originally Posted by combatpigg View Post
If you did form an all white club, ignorant hypocrites would picket it and try to burn it down.
You would get expelled from your University or else fired from your job if you tried to form an all white club.
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Racism has never died down, just gone out of site, until recently anyway. When I was in the south in the mid 1980s, I walked into a bar with an African-American as his guest. I had barely sat down when another African-American told me to leave as people he was sitting with didn't want a white dude in THEIR "BLACK" BAR. Two days later, I saw the reverse happen, a drunk white man getting in the face of an African-American couple. They had gone to a bar and grill for a quiet dinner when the drunk confronted them, encouraged by others that were both drunk and sober, telling the couple they weren't wanted or allowed in the establishment. In both cases, the situation was defused with "acceptable" results, no one hurt or forced to leave the establishments. It did show me, however, that racism is alive and well in the south. That being said, I think the powers that be in the AMA should have really looked at what their acceptance or endorsement of the OBAP could say to others.

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Originally Posted by AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken View Post
Today's Liberals make it ok to be proud to be ANYTHING other than Christian straight white male.
There, fixed it for you.
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There, fixed it for you.
True pride comes from within.
We take pride in our achievements.
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I'm just going to go work on my plane.
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Originally Posted by init4fun View Post
Um , no , NO ONE here is "ignorant" !


However , is is very short sighted to not see the obvious racism in this organization . Just try forming the "Organization of White Aerospace professionals" and see how far ya get .

Only white people can be racist , huh ? When any other group excludes all others that's OK , just as long as it ain't white folks who are the club's only allowed members .

Thanks for stopping by ......
This is another rant area of mine. You take black history month - why isn't there a white history month, or yellow history month, or red history month? Yeah, exactly. It stinks all the way to the top. A nonprofit like AMA should not have added ANY organization via color code. Yet, who knows what they will do next. Since the way they are handling the drone thing I am at the point with the AMA that if I can find me some land to purchase to fly my planes on I am done with the AMA.
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Originally Posted by Luchnia View Post
This is another rant area of mine. You take black history month - why isn't there a white history month, or yellow history month, or red history month? Yeah, exactly. It stinks all the way to the top. A nonprofit like AMA should not have added ANY organization via color code. Yet, who knows what they will do next. Since the way they are handling the drone thing I am at the point with the AMA that if I can find me some land to purchase to fly my planes on I am done with the AMA.
The folks who MASTERMIND this stuff aren't even black.
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Originally Posted by combatpigg View Post
So it's just a ceremonial endorsement then..?
It's not an "endorsement". It is an agreement between the two groups to work cooperatively to help each other. Did any of you actually read the announcement??

This agreement institutes a formalized relationship between two of the nation’s premier aviation associations. The Memorandum of Understanding will assist the two organizations as they move forward with collaborative programs that nurture and support the growth of aviation participation, while being respectful of each group’s mission.“This agreement is one that will only improve the relationship AMA has built with OBAP and provide more opportunities for those interested in pursuing aviation education,” said AMA Executive Director Dave Mathewson.
Both organizations provide curriculum support and materials for middle and high school aviation and Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM)-related subjects. This is done through AMA’s UAS4STEM, AeroLab, and additional activities, and OBAP’s ACE Academy, Project Aerospace, Solo Flight Academies, and other aerospace educational opportunities. By signing the document, AMA and OBAP agree to explore collaborative ways to provide opportunities for youth and adults to initiate or increase their participation in full-scale or model aviation.

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