Are we as hobbyist UAS users in the clear for now? can we jump for joy? or to soon?
07-15-2016, 10:49 AM
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07-15-2016, 11:29 AM
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07-15-2016, 11:40 AM
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I'm merely explaining the economics of the decision from my perception. Then you respond with sarcasm directed at me personally. Instead of personal attacks, why don't you outline your economic calculation that shows the AMA and club membership is better?
07-15-2016, 11:48 AM
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Did you catch my rebuttal Franklin?
07-15-2016, 11:49 AM
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That's the argument? LoL. To keep you busy, to pass the time, to easily debunk the bunk? Who knows, mostly it's just fun. I know some are here because they view everything with such dire non pedestrian seriousness, others for pure entertainment value. It's not for me to question.
07-15-2016, 11:57 AM
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OK EVERYONE.... Here is the Official Word.... if you want to fly anything from a paper plane, to 1-1 giant scale rc plane. You have 2 choices of places to fly... You'll have to book your flying time in advance and probably be able to make 2 yearly flying trips. You have to choose either the Bonneville Salt Flats or the Burning Man Nevada Desert.... If you choose Burning Man, you can night fly with lights and sync your manuevers to the blairing techno going on at Burning Man...
07-15-2016, 12:01 PM
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He did, just easier to respond to the Baconator with a strawman. Anyone can make an argument for or against the economics of being in a club..it's laughably irrelevant and hardly means a thing. It's like saying tell me why vanilla is better than chocolate ice cream. It's a personal choice, duh. And everyone knows Rocky Road is the best.
07-15-2016, 12:18 PM
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OK EVERYONE.... Here is the Official Word.... if you want to fly anything from a paper plane, to 1-1 giant scale rc plane. You have 2 choices of places to fly... You'll have to book your flying time in advance and probably be able to make 2 yearly flying trips. You have to choose either the Bonneville Salt Flats or the Burning Man Nevada Desert.... If you choose Burning Man, you can night fly with lights and sync your manuevers to the blairing techno going on at Burning Man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlAujFZJPs
07-15-2016, 12:36 PM
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07-15-2016, 12:40 PM
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07-15-2016, 12:49 PM
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Here is some good drone footage from Burning Man. This is a project a buddy of mine worked on in 2013. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlAujFZJPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dlAujFZJPs
I find watching these accomplishments so much more rewarding than the constant barrage of posts from folks who spend hours calculating how they can save a nickle driving one less time around the block. You know the story, oil, gas, tire wear, insurance, depreciation, etc. it all adds up.
07-15-2016, 12:54 PM
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07-15-2016, 02:47 PM
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The clubs that have survived thus far have adapted to the climate. Those that haven't will dry up and disappear.
What many people are not seeing is a very large generation of people starting to retire. There is a pretty good percentage that the ranks of model aviation will once again climb. AMA numbers have been showing growth the last three year or so.
Judging purely by the AMA membership numbers, I'm not sure that clubs will go away like you've explained Franklin. I'm just not convinced of that.
I am a member of the largest club on the west coast, second largest in the nation, a member of an association of 9 clubs that use the same field and a very niche club. All three have experienced flux in membership up and down. But nothing indicates that membership is dying. Absolutely nothing. What I have noticed is absolute change in what people fly, where they purchase, and what they purchase.
What many people are not seeing is a very large generation of people starting to retire. There is a pretty good percentage that the ranks of model aviation will once again climb. AMA numbers have been showing growth the last three year or so.
Judging purely by the AMA membership numbers, I'm not sure that clubs will go away like you've explained Franklin. I'm just not convinced of that.
I am a member of the largest club on the west coast, second largest in the nation, a member of an association of 9 clubs that use the same field and a very niche club. All three have experienced flux in membership up and down. But nothing indicates that membership is dying. Absolutely nothing. What I have noticed is absolute change in what people fly, where they purchase, and what they purchase.
Since it's 6 years old, the number of folks in each category shift up by one. But I'm not seeing there's a "very large" generation about to retire. There's two peaks in 45-49 and 50-54 groups. But not extraordinarily large. Besides, even if they are large, as the groups age then they will decrease due to natural causes. You've hit on something though, and it's the same phenomenon that's scaring everyone on Social Security. Note the lack of younger folks. In this graph age groups 25-40 roughly. Far fewer of them than the older crowd. As they age, they'll get smaller yet. So a smaller total population of people from which to draw members.
07-15-2016, 03:01 PM
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This is 2010 data, from Wikipedia, I don't have the energy right now to go to source census figures. But, assuming US census data shows the same, it should be good enough for discussion - at least to make sure we're talking apples to apples.
Since it's 6 years old, the number of folks in each category shift up by one. But I'm not seeing there's a "very large" generation about to retire. There's two peaks in 45-49 and 50-54 groups. But not extraordinarily large. Besides, even if they are large, as the groups age then they will decrease due to natural causes. You've hit on something though, and it's the same phenomenon that's scaring everyone on Social Security. Note the lack of younger folks. In this graph age groups 25-40 roughly. Far fewer of them than the older crowd. As they age, they'll get smaller yet. So a smaller total population of people from which to draw members.
Since it's 6 years old, the number of folks in each category shift up by one. But I'm not seeing there's a "very large" generation about to retire. There's two peaks in 45-49 and 50-54 groups. But not extraordinarily large. Besides, even if they are large, as the groups age then they will decrease due to natural causes. You've hit on something though, and it's the same phenomenon that's scaring everyone on Social Security. Note the lack of younger folks. In this graph age groups 25-40 roughly. Far fewer of them than the older crowd. As they age, they'll get smaller yet. So a smaller total population of people from which to draw members.
Written 12/29/2010:
"Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years."
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-num...oomers-retire/
Everyday for 19 years!
07-15-2016, 03:27 PM
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I've posted this numerous times:
Written 12/29/2010:
"Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years."
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-num...oomers-retire/
Everyday for 19 years!
Written 12/29/2010:
"Roughly 10,000 Baby Boomers will turn 65 today, and about 10,000 more will cross that threshold every day for the next 19 years."
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-num...oomers-retire/
Everyday for 19 years!
Even so, in about another 15 years, the total population drops off. This is where demographics from AMA would really help the discussion. Does the AMA's demographic profile look like this or is it skewed? Also, those new paying members. What does that age vs. number spread look like? Most importantly though, how many of those 10,000 a day 65+ year olds are hitting retirement and saying..."Gee, I think I'll join the AMA now?"
07-15-2016, 04:01 PM
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Yes, that's roughly age 40 to 65 on this graph. First, 25% of that has already happened. And look how quickly population falls off after 65. Second, I'm seeing a lot of press about how overweight we are as a society, how our sugar is too high, and same for cholesterol. Will this generation that's hitting 65 at 10,000 a day live as long past that as their predecessors?
Even so, in about another 15 years, the total population drops off. This is where demographics from AMA would really help the discussion. Does the AMA's demographic profile look like this or is it skewed? Also, those new paying members. What does that age vs. number spread look like? Most importantly though, how many of those 10,000 a day 65+ year olds are hitting retirement and saying..."Gee, I think I'll join the AMA now?"
Even so, in about another 15 years, the total population drops off. This is where demographics from AMA would really help the discussion. Does the AMA's demographic profile look like this or is it skewed? Also, those new paying members. What does that age vs. number spread look like? Most importantly though, how many of those 10,000 a day 65+ year olds are hitting retirement and saying..."Gee, I think I'll join the AMA now?"
07-15-2016, 04:51 PM
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07-15-2016, 05:22 PM
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Succeeding in business is always a challenge. We're fortunate our AMA leaders have the vision and forward thinking to have started the free youth membership program when they did.