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Old 09-28-2004 | 01:35 PM
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Who is inexperienced with model airplanes??? Read Judi's campaign a little more........
Old 09-28-2004 | 02:05 PM
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It might be interesting to see where the candidates stand on issues and concerns of the membership. Maybe the supporters of each could find out their positions on issues that will affect not only DV, but the entire AMA.

I am sure others have questions. Here are some of mine, and I would encourage others to add to them.

What is their stance on autonomous flight?

Heavy turbines?

55 pounds, all aircraft. Wet or dry?

Allowing experimental class planes in competition?

The rights of 3d flyers vs. scale flyers vs. all flyers.

Spread spectrum?

Inexpensive (under $100 complete) park flyers and potential conflicts?

The continued acquisition of property in Muncie, including, but not limited to, Reese Airport?

Should clubs be more closely controlled, in areas such as safety/safety officer?

Should competition rules have a shorter cycle?
Old 09-28-2004 | 02:10 PM
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Compared to Tony Stillman? Are you serious Nick? Even Compared to Manny? Yes she participated at the side of her husband and that is very honorable and I for one give her Kudo's for that. At a local and club level we always need people such as her, but to try and compare her level of participation in this hobby with some the likes of Tony Stillman is like trying to compare my little league baseball career to that of Tom Seaver. I played but its not the same.

I'm sure she is a nice person and means well, but we need knowledgeable and experienced leadership across the board in AMA if we expect it to be a viable organization in the future.
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Mike,

Facts are NOT insults.

When the membersof District V are insulted by a candidate who runs for an office they have no qualifications for and are doing if from a sham appointment then they are going to get heat.

As far as "chiming in" I have taken a lot of shots for it, both on the Battery/Charger forum and rec.models.rc.air newsgroup. If you have an oppinion there will be someone that will want a notch on their keyboard for taking a shot at you.

Taking heat? I was threatened with expulsion from the AMA (promoted by McNeill) when I fingered a guy that was spreading false crap about the AMA. Our present President's exact words.

" If their speech is critical of AMA, so be it! Let AMA worry about that! If you have the unwaivering need to "defend" AMA, that's fine, but DO IT AS RED SCHOLEFIELD, AMA member, not AMA LEADER member, which carries with it an air of your "representing" AMA, rather than representing Red Scholefield." Now you know were Leader Members stand in the pecking order in the eyes of DB.

When I retired I told Bob Wallace (former AVP Dist I) when we were working the Toledo show in the RCM booth that I was going to get more involved in the AMA. Time I paid my dues for all the years I had been enjoying modeling. His sage advice, "Don't do it, it will ruin the hobby for you." Well it didn't ruin my hobby but it gave me real wake up call as to how our AMA does business, particularly in D-V. But then it was too late, in for a nickle, in for a dollar as they say.

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PS glad to see you signed up as a subscriber to the ama5list.


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Good points Red, but do you think it benefits anyone to insult any given candidate? I agree that they need to "take the heat" so to speak, but would you be motivated to "chime in" with those kind of responses? I certainly not taking up for Mrs. Dunlap and she certainly doesn't have my vote but some of those comments are very disrespectful and not very adult-like.

Thanks,
Mike
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We have a little problem here as far as Tony Stillman is concerned. He was hit pretty hard by Ivan, still not back up and running, may be some time before power is restored to a lot of the Panhandle communities.

He has addressed may questions in the past both on the D-V e-mail list as well as on his campaign web site where members are invited to post their questions.

Hopefully he will be back up and running shortly to get back in the campaign race.

Red S.

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It might be interesting to see where the candidates stand on issues and concerns of the membership. Maybe the supporters of each could find out their positions on issues that will affect not only DV, but the entire AMA.

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Old 09-28-2004 | 03:55 PM
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Red,

These are facts?????

BTW... Glad you posed the group address earlier. Had forgot about it. Always good to stay in the loop!



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4 Hurricane disasters not enough for you, eh!
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I hope you and Nick are kidding.
Not even Manny Sousa is going to vote for her.
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Doesn't this belong over in RC Humor?
Old 09-28-2004 | 04:28 PM
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Hi Red

That is understandable. I hope he gets back in soon. Still... that should not stop the supporters of J Dunlop from finding out her position and posting them. She appears to be a very nice lady. She can't rely on the opinions of others during an EC meeting and must have some opinions on the issues that have been so publicly raised for months.
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Why not? Her predecessor did for the last 20 years, getting his instructions from DB.

Red


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Hi Red

She can't rely on the opinions of others during an EC meeting and must have some opinions on the issues that have been so publicly raised for months.
Old 09-28-2004 | 05:11 PM
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Hi Red

I can't imagine that she would want to do that. I feel sure that if her supporters ask, she can answer any questions and display her thinking on controversial issues during the campaign. I am sure we can look forward to seeing them here shortly.

Anybody else have any questions to pose to the candidates?
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SNIP

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Nobody I know. . . .
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And you guys can't understand why more candidates are not active in this forum????

Hey Mike,
Someone asked a simple question and *I* gave a simple, direct, non judgmental answer. So why did you include my answer in your "judicial" rulings where you try to imply you are better than every one else?

BTW, I am pretty sure that unprovoked attacks, such as your, are why more candidates are not on this forum.
Old 09-28-2004 | 09:47 PM
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Sorry Jim,

Your right... I lumped yours in there because I ASSUMED since it was between two of those type of post and that was my mistake and I apologize. I misunderstood your post. Yes, and I know what ASSUME make out of you and me..

I was certainly not trying to make anyone think that I was better than anyone else. Just someone posted a simple question and all you-know-what broke loose on the insults. I have no malice against anyone here, I just think it gets a little harsh sometimes and that is why we never hear from any of these candidates.

Thanks for pointing that out to me.
Mike
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I would expect someone running for VP to have at least been president of their own club at some point but she does not say she ever held that position.

Nick, she appointed you to Frequency coordinator so you seem to have a small motive to promote her. I was a little confused when you posted her bio information that starts out "My focus" and you don't even use quotes to show that it is from Judi's website, very confusing from someone who is a moderator and should know better.

She doesn't seem to have much of a modeling background and spends more time with kids which is very nice but doesn't qualify her for the posistion. With all the issues she could have chosen she really seems to be concentrating on fluff and her incumbancy.

I don't fault the EC for approving her to fill the position, I am sure they would want their chosen replacement to be approved if something were to happen to them, it just isn't an endorsment of her for the election.

Hopefully, the voters in district V will break with tradition and NOT vote for the incumbant out of ignorance because Red's head will undoubtably explode if that happens.
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I wonder why people who aren't in the district in question even posted to this topic????
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I've noticed that both Manny Sousa and Judi Dunlap have made it clear that they are retired, and have the time to run the district. What about Tony Stillman? Is he employed? If so, would he be willing to give up his job in order to have the time he needs to make the changes he promises? Can a "weekend modeler" adequately a district??????
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I wonder why people who aren't in the district in question even posted to this topic????

Maybe because any one member of the EC can cause change.

Ed M.
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I wonder why people who aren't in the district in question even posted to this topic????
There is certainly some validity to your question. The actual running of a district is the business of the members of the district.

On the other hand, and possibly more importantly, each VP is a member of the Executive Council of the AMA. The EC acts as the Board of Directors for the AMA and every vote the VP casts affects each and every AMA member, regardless of the District the member is in.

Of course, you could have chosen not to bring this to the AMA Discussion forum, but, once you did, any member of the forum is going to have an opportunity to post his or her views and opinions.

I hope this answers your question.
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Well, one would think I would have a small motive to support her. My motive to support her was not based on the fact that she appointed me the freq coordinator. In fact, I volunteered for the position. I want to help the district out as much as any candidate wants to. In fact, when its time for my retirement, I plan to run for DVP.
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I've noticed that both Manny Sousa and Judi Dunlap have made it clear that they are retired, and have the time to run the district. What about Tony Stillman? Is he employed? If so, would he be willing to give up his job in order to have the time he needs to make the changes he promises? Can a "weekend modeler" adequately a district??????

Then Dave Brown should never have been president! Then again sometimes retired people do not seem inclined to do heavy work.
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I've noticed that both Manny Sousa and Judi Dunlap have made it clear that they are retired, and have the time to run the district. What about Tony Stillman? Is he employed? If so, would he be willing to give up his job in order to have the time he needs to make the changes he promises? Can a "weekend modeler" adequately a district??????
What does being retired have anything to do with someones ability to effectively hold office? Using that criteria then Dave Brown should never been allowed to be President.

Can a "weekend modeler" adequately (represent) a district? ARE YOU SERIOUS? Tony Stillman a weekend modeler? I've never met the man, but calling a Hall of Fame member a "weekend modeler" is one of the lowest insults I have seen on this board and from moderator no less.

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I wonder why people who aren't in the district in question even posted to this topic????
Because I am an AMA member and the election in DV will effect the AMA as a whole, and because this is the "AMA forum" and you posted it here as a question, which given the nature of the question begs to be debated.
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Several members of the EC work, and several are retired. Having the time to do the job is the issue, and it appears most of the EC members have the time, regardless of employment status.

The only litimus tests for EC members should come from the members of the electorate, voting on ability, visions, and actions of the candidates. If you agree with the agenda and and ability to get the job done of a candidate, vote for him/her. If you do not believe the candidate has the ability to do the job, find a candidate who more closely represents your views.

Employment status is not more important, in and of itself, than what type of car the candidate drives.


Now, presenting the visions and positions on issues confronting the AMA is at issue. Flowery "I am a nice person and want the job" candidate statements leave too much to the imagination. Let's see the position of the candidates on real issues, not fluff. Will they take a stand, or hide behind "I will listen to you"?
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Ad Homen is an invalid arguement in logic. It means "against the man" and is used when you want to invalidate someones arguement so you disparage them, not the arguement. I don't have to be from the district to have an opinion about it and my comments are no less valid because of which distrtict I happen to live in.

Have you ever been President of your club?
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I wonder why people who aren't in the district in question even posted to this topic????
Because the vote of ANY EC member can impact ALL AMA members regardless of what district they are in. Kind of an odd question for a Leader Member that should have some idea of how the AMA works.

Maybe you will share with us your qualifications that Judi thought were right for the District Frequency Coordinator. How long have you been a leader Member, what is your Electronics Technical background?

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Nick, You constantly amaze us!! [sm=spinnyeyes.gif]You are the appointed D-V Frequency Coordinator and don't know who Tony Stillman is? He happens to have been the former D-V Frequecy Coordinator, serves on the AMA Frequency Committee and owner of one of the largest R/C service shops in the country. I'm sure he, like Dave Brown, can find time to serve the AMA and still run his business.

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I've noticed that both Manny Sousa and Judi Dunlap have made it clear that they are retired, and have the time to run the district. What about Tony Stillman? Is he employed? If so, would he be willing to give up his job in order to have the time he needs to make the changes he promises? Can a "weekend modeler" adequately a district??????
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Radio South--I know.
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And Nick, If you check recent history you will see Tony Stillman has been all over the country, and a few trips to Europe, all in supprt of the AMA.

He has a good crew at Radio South and is able to set his own schedule.

Time for AMA operation and support is not a problem.

Bill.


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