good point! LOL

Now here's something for all you, "Super intelligent Yankee's to think about (after all, y'all are the one's that started all this Politically correct business). Sum's it up pretty well for me.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

HA we've already taken what we wanted in Florida. The Yanks came down took your coast, raised the cost of living and push the hillbillies into the middle of the state. I've lived a good part of my life in FL and saw plenty of that. We don't want your southern state, we just want you coast line and your Keys and us Yankees own pretty much all of it now. You can have the crap in the middle and FL has plenty of that, swamps and temperatures so hot you can fry and egg on the dirt. We like to buy the stuff with nice breezy beach views which look out into the water, but not inland. Which Florida to too flat too look inland anyhoo.

Point is the Yanks already took what they wanted, ain nothing money can't take. Just keep Florida as a southern state, if that's what you really think it is. It will reduce the chance of another civil war. The last thing a beach front living, pina coloda sipping, sport fishing boat owning, yacht club dining, early morning golf playing northerner in Florida wants to do is piss of a southerner who thinks they are right about something. Last time that happened it got really ugly, but luckily the northerners took that trophy home for the winning team. Northerners just want to enjoy what they paid for, life is just darn too short to fight about who owns Florida.

This must be some local backwoods impression? Here in Atlanta almost everyone is part of the AMA and some do AMA competition, including the 3D maneuvers. Only those too cheap, or so new they are have not yet joined are flying without AMA membership. In fact it was AMA members who started this, at least doing it well. I am sure some hillbilly probably did a hover right after saying !QUOT!Hey Bubba Watch this!QUOT!, and just before crashing. So I can not be sure that AMA members were the first, but they were likely the first to do it well, and positively the first to do it without the beer.

Speaks volumes. Of course, selective scrutiny reins supreme.

Go ahead and make fun of my 4:00 am grammar, it doesn't change the truth of the matter.

Just how would you know that? Proof? Nah... I didn't think so...

Take the time and ask people that work at hobby shops what they think the relationship is...AMA to non-AMA enthusiasts...the non-AMA modeler is probably a lot greater than you think.

Unless most if not all of the AMA members reside in Georgia...could that be the case?


Take the time and ask people that work at hobby stores what they think the relationship is...AMA to non-AMA enthusiasts...I will bet the non-AMA modeler population is a lot greater than you think.

Boy... you sure do get up early for golf! Must be a bird brain thing!

[sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif] good point

The non AMA guys are the ones buying model cars, trucks, or park flyers. I have actually asked people if they belong, after striking up a conversation. Most belong. Not many places you can fly unless you own a farm well outside Atlanta. The parks in Cobb County recently banned flying except at the CCRC field. Even banned control line flying.

You obviously haven't spent any time in Florida. The Cuban's have taken up the south coast, yankee and Canadian tourists have the northern coasts. The yankee retiree's live in trailer parks.

Actually you only go to the Hobby shop for emergency supplies. There is not much in the way of glow airplanes. Most customers are buying the RC cars.

It's a shame. I've spent 35 years telling people that we fly radio control aircraft, not toys, and then one day I open the magazines and find out that most of the us do fly toys! I quess that those old farts flying their scale airplanes haven't got the message yet. All I know is that the most popular events I see all over the country are those darn Warbirds Fly-ins. For those of you who think 3-d is the be all and end all broaden your horizons and try something else. Those old farts you see probably flew in pattern contests long before you were the sparkle in someones eye. Sometimes just keeping an underpowered overweight scale warbird in the air takes a lot more skill than flopping around. Just so you know, I am not an old fart, I fly everything from pylon racers to gliders, I have a flopper which I fly now and then, I also have planes from 30" to 10', but right now the big warbirds turn my crank.

Larry

I really want to build a 35% Stuka.

Oh yeah, Cubans are eating up all the beach front property in S. Florida. What Cuban beach front communities are you talking about? Big difference between beach front and 1,000-10,000' inland in Fl and yes I have spent a good part of my life down there.

Now your talking about the snowbirds, yeah we know about those guys too. Semi retired and a small pad to hang out to get away from the cold. Forgot about dem yanks.

The northerners are eating up every last sq in of useable beach front property in Florida, who are you kidding?

You said coast not beach! Besides the Cubans own more hotels on the beach than yanks. You also won't see many yanks working or earning a living. Sorry but the retired people in their trailers and small houses don't exactly count. The Cubans are the ones making the most economic impact, and they are moving north. I lived in the Miami area for several years. The Cubans and their decendants are a hard working bunch.

Agreed, you don't have to convince me about Cubans or Mexicans or frankly just about any other race of people that wants to come to the USA and work their tail off and earn the dream. I know why they are flocking up north. Plus man ... can they cook. I eat at a good cuban joint .... real cuban joint at least once every 2 weeks and the food is out of this world. God bless cuban dishes, amazing food and good people.

But either way, Cuban or northerner's the point is that the good property in FL is being taken away from the people who originally claimed it, one acre at a time.

Yes, and they are making a killing! In Miami they still own farms west of Miami, and sell airboat rides, run gator farms, etc.

that would be so cool.
You totally have to get the siren

BTW, I checked out STL's link and it's bogus. That's some students personal page and there's no documentation to back up his claims. For one thing, that would mean I make four times the average income in Georgia. Errr... Would that mean that four people are unemployed because of me? FWIW, the student is an obvious liberal hack.
Guess you gotta be a smart Yankee to get sucked in by that.

This whole thread is about a couple of people who didn't take the time to educate themselves. There is nothing the AMA can do to FORCE someone to do the research for themselves. Ignorance doesn't know any borders. That I can promise you.

If you read the footnote it states that the income data could be a decade old or older. The rest is accurate, as I've checked it.

The student isn't an obvious anything. Those are simply statistics.

Y'all don't believe a word of it. I left word at the border that Dion was not allowed to cross (coming South anyway) I just built a home on the beach in Vero, and there are not too many of youse there. Lots from Tennessee, and Carolina though. So much for your statement that all beachfront property belongs to you Yankees. It ain't necessarialy so.

Bill, AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1

But
I can tell you that
Hamms is the Beer Refreshing (even sing the Skyblue Water tune)
Bud is both Beechwood Aged and BornOn Dated (cause you need really Fresh Aged beer)
And seems the power company donates to charity each year (where'd they get the money?)

Now, not only did I not research those points, I really could care lesss, and wonder what useful knowlege just got replaced by the Hamms Bear or Olyimpia Artesians.

But the companies involved wanted me to know that stuff, and put it out in a very direct & effective way.
They Advertized.
Sure you could go to them and ask, but they come to you via the medias even if you dont lift a finger. Actually, you have to lean foward & change the channel on the radio to try to avoid recieving the message while driving around with the radio on: It is less effort for you to recieve the company info than to avoid it.

Where does the AMA fit in the scale of getting info to the general public?
We see the results of the recent & current plan, the Friends that think we are all AARP CL .
Is the current plan of putting out info to public working? Should we change plans if a plan doesnt work, or keep doing what doesnt work?


oh, I did do some research. For laughs, see just how, and how many times, the Beechwood is used to deliver that Beechwood Aged taste.

I understand the viewpoints in the original post [#1]. There are those clubs largely made up of uptight, nail biting, "insidelooponly" type flyers around here, where crashing is considered a point of shame. They tend to drive the aggressive flyers away, sometimes for good reason. Until you have made the rounds and come across the independent flyers who have few rules except to just have fun and be sure to pick up all the pieces on your way out.....you will never be able to understand the view points in post #1.

Kid, I'm in full agreement that AMA needs to do a little advertising! Fliers in the boxes, posters in the hobby shop, etc. All low cost methods that aren't being exploited.

CP, I guess I'm just really lucky to have the club we have. It was a pleasure from the moment I stepped foot on the property. Can't see myself flying anywhere else.

Stickbuilder, please quit trying to send him across the border!

RVM, all I can say is look a little harder. The info is there and obvious once you see it. If you can't look over his site for yourself, PM me and I'll send you links. If you want to claim you've "researched" the statistics, please show us where. I'll say it again, the whole thing is garbage. No matter where you go or what color you are, the average person is just that, average. If you understood the idea behind an IQ, you'd know what that means. That isn't a determination of what you know, but what your capacity to learn is.

That is precisely what an IQ number denotes - one's ability to learn. Those with a higher ability to learn tend to do so, and then they leave the south. That's fact, and it's one of the biggest problems the poorer of the southern states face. The stats illustrate this effectively - the average IQ in the south is lower because those with a higher IQ leave. It's not that there aren't smart people in the south, it is that they don't stay long enough to be counted. Why should they stay?

I researched the average income levels to be sure those were accurate, and they were, but I'm not sure when or where they were published as I went through a lot of websites. I did not leave my house to do this; it wasn't worth the effort to confirm the information. The IQ numbers are similar to others I've read elsewhere, and also in a handout I had some years ago in a poly sci class. If I'm mistaken about the numbers do please correct me. I can always be wrong, and often I am. I would much rather be corrected than to go on being an ignorant fool.

Anyway, I don't remember if the numbers were exact, but I do remember that Mississippi, the state I am in, was dead last, and most of the last spots were occupied by southern states. A lot of people in this state laugh and joke about how poorly our average income level is, how poorly our students do on standardized exams, how the reason the teen pregnancy rate is so high is because the state is so lacking that the kids have absolutely nothing else to do, and tons of other things. The sad part is that much of it is true. When you have a state senator stand up in congress and tell his colleagues that he doesn't see a use for funding higher education any more than has already been funded because such an education is worthless, then you have a serious problem on your hands. When you have students who graduate universities in the south with degrees in education and they can barely solve 2x+3=7, or only know that Shakespeare was some dude a long time ago who wrote poems and stuff, or who believe the Holocaust never occurred, or who think that we should nuke everyone in the world so we don't have to worry about them, or who think that racism is A-OK (black, white and other - racism here is still alive and well, though thank whatever deity you believe in that it is declining), or who think that anyone who isn't just like them is a "furriner" or "weeird", or who think that using the verb "to be" is unnecessary to efficient communication, or whose motivation in life doesn't extend past the local fast food restaurant... shall I continue? I am certain you see my point.

This state, and in my experience, most of the states in the south, have some serious issues, most of which, in my opinion, stem from a general lack of education and, what is even worse, absolutely no desire to attain any education in the first place. What this boils down to is quite simple really - most southerners I have met are simply ignorant, and this attitude shows itself in almost everything they do and say.

I didn't search the rest of his site, just the statistics, and the statistics don't show him to be obviously slanted in any direction. They simply show numbers which represent a general trend. Anyone could have posted it. It could have been an ultra-conservative lamenting to his governor the fact that his state sucks, or that his state rocks. Whichever, you can't really tell just from the stats can you? That said, if the rest of his site is super liberal, then go verify his information to see if it is valid. I did, and unless I'm mistaken (again, if I am, please do correct me), his numbers are right on, if not a bit dated.



As far as the AMA is concerned - I put up the original post to point out that it has a somewhat lackluster reputation and that it needs to change. Of course, there are tons of posts like this, so eh, take it as you will.