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Good one, Bob

Horrace is posting here, but refuses to give any details of his plans. He did the same thing when he ran about 5 years ago. He seems to be afraid that his opponent will somehow use his plans against him. Or, he just doesn't have any real plans. We won't know unless he tells us what he is actually planning in terms beyond "I'm gonna make it better".

Mark isn't posting here at all, so we don't know what his plans are either. I hope he does join and post so the questions can be asked. If he does join, and refuses as has Horrace, then my opinion would be exactly the same.

But I think you knew that, KE.

I think it's pretty clear where Horrace stands on PPP. One side of his mouth says he's "reserving judgement". The other side of his mouth refers to PPP guys as "Joe Parkee Flyer" and he want's them to take their toys and go play somewhere else. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.

You're a PPP. Are you not a bit concerned about what a would be EVP thinks of your part of the hobby? You should be.

I'm asking the guy who wants to be the next EVP. The guy who speaks of you PPP members in very disparaging terms. The guy who is so upset about the way the program was initiated. The guy who supposedly is "reserving judgement" but wishes you would take your toys and go play elsewhere.

Horrace answering questions? Apparently not.

I have my moments.

I usually try to resist, but sometimes it just cries for a response.

Can't take credit for the line, though. Picked it up from someone else a number of years ago while I was a moderator on Compuserve's Political Issues forum. On a good day it was much more wild and wooly than this place on it's worst day.

Good times.

HORRACE CAIN IS THE MAN WITH THE PLAN-VOTE FOR HORRACE

I think a write-in campaign for Bob Mitchell AMA #903015 is in order. His insights are perfectly on target. It seems he can look right through the political and hypocritical BS and expose the real truth. We need that the most. The EVP position is more attune to being a watch-dog, if you will, and not afraid to ask hard questions and able to discern BS when encountered. Bob seems to be that man.

Did you ever stop to think that Hoss might not want to let on to muncie all of his plans ahead of time? Sometimes its good to keep the enemy in the dark.

Ron

Nope.. she's sleeping

I'm flattered, but no.

Please see my response to you in the thread you started.

Great , now Horrace has a campaign stratagist in addition to campain manager. Get another person in the run to dilute the vote where a clear majority is not required to win. Favorite stratagy of former AMA Dist VP.

Not specificially in response to any particular post, but in response to all in general:

If you are a member of the AMA, then you have every right to ask pertinent questions of any candidate who is running for election for a position on the Executive Committee. If you are not a member of the AMA, then so far as I'm concerned, you have no business asking anything of or from these candidates. If you are not a member, then you don't matter so far as the subject at hand is concerned.

If you, in fact are a member, then why would you attempt to hide that fact? If you, in fact are a member, and are trying to hide that fact, why so? If you, in fact, are not a member, what does it matter to you?

Using the premise that someone may be a prospective member, is just a load of Bull Pukky. If someone is a prospective member, they still have no voting rights, just like if they actually become a PPP member. If you chose the mebership tier that did not allow you to cast a vote, who's fault was that?

This is the main reason that I was against the commencment of any tier of membership whereby you would give up your right to have a voice in the Academy. Looks as though some of our predictions are coming true.

Bill, AMA 4720

I've followed Hossfly 's posts here for several years and the only thing I see that he does really well is posting regs and minutes from the executive council meetings. Anyone can cut and paste. Posting here does not in any way qualify anyone from leading our organization. If he has a plan lets hear it. This reminds me of another "individual" running for office that 'promises" change but won't clue us in on how its to be done. I read Hoss's "resume" and I could care less about your past what are you going to do for us now. I'm not here to start trouble but come on, just how many times are you going to run for AMA office? I'm sure your a stand up guy but straight out. What do you plan to do to deal with the current situation's that face our hobby and how do you plan to do it? We lost one filed here in El Paso and the others been given notice. Just how can you help us? I remember I came to this forum looking for info about our club becoming a 501 and I was pissed about the lack of assistance and lack of concern from the Muncie gang was about helping us thru the process. You jumped me for wanting them to do my work or something close that that effect. We got tha paper work files without there lack of help and won't forget it down the road. Sorry but without retaining and getting new members and places to fly in another 10 years the AMA will ceases to exist. Mike

rcmiket, what became of that field you lost?

Time to get realistic. I have one guy to vote for who I know something about. Thank goodness we have guys like Hoss who love the AMA enough to volunteer their free time to work for us. How many of you would or could ever do the same? I seriously doubt I ever would or could.

Hmm, realistic.......let's see now, if or when Hoss gets elected, what will come of it?
Will I continue to get my AMA card on time? You bet!
Will there be a massive change in dues? Not if he can help it.
Will there still be as many contests to go to? Of course.
Will my magazine still show up in the mail box already 1/2 read? Yes.
Will the lawns at Muncie still be under the iron fisted rule of JC?
Will the price of nitro continue to rise? Yes.
Will land developers finally get the message that the prime land that many AMA club fields sit on are off limits to their greedy ways? Sorry, No chance.
Will pattern flyers ever learn that the white pants and loafers look went out in the late 70s? Nope.
Will all forms of hovering, flat spinning and otherwise flying like a hippy get outlawed? Hmmm, better confront him with that one
If Hoss gets elected is there a chance that the AMA gets steered into a profitable direction? I hope so.

We are acquiring land without any help from the AMA whatsoever. Vote for whom ever you wish. It would be nice if Hoss would answer question without name ,rank and serial #. I guess its just how someone can avoid the issues and point blank questions. Whie I don't agree with STL moat of the time Hoss's refusal to answer his questions on the other tread just confirmed what thought all along about Hoss. Mike

Is this about RCU candidate availability?



If you want to ask Hoss a question here at RCU,
identify yourself as AMA voter.

If you want to ask MarkS a question here at RCU,
too bad.

Just who is avoiding the tough RCU questions in this comparison?
If folks want to judge people by their rcu availability,
I'll be happy to hold both candidates to your standard to see whats what





<edit:
due to the clarifiaction Hoss gave in the next post
the "voter" part has been struck
>

TO ALL:

Since there are so many rumors floating in these regular forums, I wish to try to set it straight about my rules in the Executive Vice President Sub-Forum.

Here are the 3 simple rules that I made, along with explanations that should be very simple even for the subnormal mind. After all many of you think a subnormal mind made them, RIGHT?
So what are you saying about yourself if you profess to not understand them or blatantly spin them as if you cannot understand them? [>:]


Now I have several rules:
1.) Sometimes as I become more involved and better informed in an issue, I do change my opinion. So don't expect me to be unable to see the other side. It can happen.

That means that I may change my mind and/or direction from time to time, especially if I think such change will better benefit AMA and the membership. I don't always set things in stone.


2.) My interests in this volunteer job are more to what I consider the "Big Picture". I may not be as interested in individual situations as you think I should be. Those items will be decided as they happen, but the future of AMA as a member organization promoting model aviation of each discipline is where I see my efforts being focused.

That means that I will do just as it says. As for flying facilities I want each club to be able to obtain their facilities in a much less hostile atmosphere than they find now. Such condition will result only when AMA can convince governmental agencies that model aviation is a serious and demanding recreational and educational activity so very worthy of consideration in community planning.


3.) If you wish to be seriously recognized, then I need a name, first and last, AMA number, and I may request a zip code. These discussions are for AMA Business and that is where I will direct my labors.

That means what it says: "....seriously recognized..." Notice there is nothing saying that a question has to be serious.
Who the _ell can judge that? If you ask it, it is serious to you, so I don't make that call. OTOH when one person asks questions that I may deem everyday knowledge, I may direct that person to find the answer for himself.
There is nothing there that says "Open", "Leader", "Junior", "Senior", or PPP member, simply "AMA Member".
EDITED to add, There is no requirement for said AMA member to be a voting AMA member.
The zip code says "....may request..." and is not a MUST item, unless I think I have a reason for such on a one-on-one basis.

RCU has many more members than AMA has. Therefore some RCU members are not AMA members. Any AMA member is welcome to ask questions of me in the EVP sub-forum. I answer most questions in these main forums to the best of my ability except when some blatantly use their own terms as quotations of remarks which I did not say.

You know David, we go through this set of questions every year or so. But last time I checked this IS NOT an AMA field, nor an AMA forum. I've been a long time contributor to RCU on almost every facet available. When I come to your field or run for your local congressman then you can pound away with the questions, until then I'll leave it at that.

Then can we assume that you are either (a) not a member, of (b) you are a member who is ashamed to divulge your number, or (c) you are just here to stir the pot, and foment hate and discontent? Right?

Bill, AMA 4720

No I'm either a member or a potential member, period. When are you guys going to realize that this is RCUniverse.com?????

I'd think that would be a simple question to answer for a simple guy.


Ron

I fully realize that this is a forum that is part of RCU. This forum was set up to discuss the AMA and any issue's related to the AMA. It just seems a bit odd to me that someone who might not be a voting member of the AMA would be so critical of an AMA member that is running for an office in the AMA, in an RCU forum, unless that person has another agenda in mind. I have always been taught that if you are not going to vote, then you do not have the right to gripe. Dave

Ain't it the truth?

Bill, AMA 4720

Same old crap by the same old players! Same old AMA!

Why Hoss? Why not?

Does anyone really think he could possibly make things worse? Only reason I can see against him is the fact that he's obviously dumb enough to want to try!

And no! I am not an AMA member. And I continue to see no reason for being one.

The Mule

SO first we take away the PPP right to vote
and now we take away the PPP right to free speach

... but lets not refer to them as Serfs that pay their AMA tax without representation
(how can they be represented if they are not allowed to ask for things)


No David,
I disagree with your assessment that non-voters shouldnt speak their mind.
However, I am not 100% backing Hoss' rules: <Edit: that do allow non-voter questions>

I , as a non-voting AMA*, dont expect access to an election specific subforum
when I have all the AMA/Hoss access I need in the main forum
to speak my mind, ask questions, and request representative actions
If the rules were mine, I would restrict the Candidate Subforum to voters,
non-voters are alway free to post the main forum where Hoss has been answering questions for years





* PPP


<edited per Hoss' request, to more clearly seperate what I expect & would do from what he has done>

If ya don't like it, then get out of the whole mess. You can save yourself $29 next year. Remember you picked what you got now.

I really believe you are getting worse than your evil twin on here.

You really need to go find a job or something. Of course your mouth is probably why you're not working now and I do feel sorry for the people that hafta live around you.



Ron

K.E. please don't word your posts to insinuate that you do not have that access, because as I said above, you do.
However in my part of the subforum certain requirements have to be made. There I am then obligated to address those questions. Here, I am not so obligated.