The guy who hatched such an obviously flawed plan, most likely. Most people expect that leadership involves taking credit for both the good and the bad. In here, it seems that Horrace gets a free pass from some of you. Do you want a guy who uses unethical methods to enact ineffective and logically-flawed plans to be EVP?

I mean, really. Let's get beyond your chosen persona for just a moment, and talk like reasonable people. If a guy can't answer a question without making people do a song and dance for no good reason, is he a straight shooter? I don't think so. I wouldn't want him cutting my lawn, let alone trying to work with others.

Mike, your position has no merit. No one in the history of our hobby has ever lost his identity or had any serious harm come his way from having his name and AMA number presented here. There have been a few isolated cases of stalking from a couple of the regulars here, but nothing serious ever became of it. Your fears about Hoss using your information to inflict harm is just plain silly. Time to get a real cause Mike.

If you can't respond with any substance, why respond at all? You could at least *attempt* to answer my question.

Is Hoss a straight shooter?

Yes.

Does he meet your criteria?

No, but maybe that's a good thing?

Now answer my question......how do you feel about being on the same side of this issue as another man who has been recently revealed to be one of the lowest forms of human life?

Do you want a guy who uses unethical methods to enact ineffective and logically-flawed plans to be EVP?

Sorry, I didn't realize that was directed at me. Nice personal attack, again, too. What is it with you guys? I don't know the fellow you're speaking about. I'm not much into worrying about who else takes the same view as I do. That sort of thinking isn't what I'd call sharp or useful, particularly in a situation like this.

Mike, the "other guy" is in the free downloading software business.

Please point out to us what harm has been done with the giving out of AMA numbers. You must have witnessed a rash epidemic of such cases to alert us to by now?

Hey HOSS,

I've seen some concerns voiced about your availability if elected.
If elected, will you continue the tradition of having your contact info printed in MA on the EVP page?

also
Will you continue to discuss topics with identified & anonymous posters in the RCU AMA forum?

Stickbuilder,
Yeah, You are right again.(Had to take a shot of JD before I admitted it again) No more about MA.

CP, I agree that he could, and have said as much.

I'm rather pleased that you've gone back to the misdirection strategy.

Keep trying to avoid the issue that you can't deal with directly. You guys have such a predictable bag of methods to avoid such things. From personal attacks, misdirection, purposeful confusion of the issues, to simple avoidance of the issue, you seem to have it down.

Perhaps that's part of why this forum is the way it is? Lots of hot air, with little substance.

Heh. Surely you can do better. Why do you have such a hard time admitting that your position isn't the best choice?

I'd suggest you quote yourself again.

just answer the questions.

LOL! Thanks for taking my suggestion. Why should I answer yours when you can't answer mine?

I've not made a single claim about people's identities having been stolen. You've read the thread, so you know that. You just can't bring yourself to admit that: 1) this is an improper use of an AMA resource, 2) this is an improper use of private membership data for personal use, and 3) this is all being done in a way that cannot accomplish its stated objective.

[quote]ORIGINAL: combatpigg




Check......

Well, CP, seems ta' me ya' done got it all figured out. RCU was kind enough to make that space available, so I feel a certain responsibility to help keep the place somewhat above the bar-room crowd of a late Sat. night. Yes, I BTDT so I have a fair idea of that crowd. I have witnessed the drawing of pistols, and the flash of knives. Just seems to me that the AMA EVP subforum can remain a couple steps above this regular forum.

Now if you would please, don't tell anyone this little secret. The thought of checking persons displaying name and number using the AMA's name and number system, really never crossed my mind. Basically, as you stated, it was simply to help keep that place slightly above this place where all are invited to party.
I have never used that system for anything except twice, once I used my name and number, just to see if it worked, and once again a few years ago to see if they had changed my own info., shortly after I became a Life Member and my AMA # changed from 539 to L-93.
Sure hope I did not infringe on my rights. Why, I might have taken a swing at that ugly old F-rt that watches me shave each morning. Of course the Club secretary uses it because there are people that are not always truthful. Sad as it may be, some people just love to stretch things a bit too far.
Now here somewhere, mikel even quoted me as saying that I do not bother with that detail. If someone is man enough to post his name and number that was good enough for me. His passionate ignorance let that little hint fly right over his head. I hate to laugh at someone unless they are laughing at themselves, however there are a few here that do make me smile and wonder.

Again, CP, thanks for the help.

Mike,

Read this carefully, and completely before posting a reply. Your name, address and telephone number are not personal information. They exist in the public domain. Again, telephone books, court records, registrar's office (if you have ever owned property) DMV, if you ever owned a car, had a driver's license, or received a traffic citation. These things are not your personal private information.

If the AMA chooses to make member information to the rest of the membership, they are not comprimising anything that belongs to you. All the information that the AMA holds in regard to an individual member is the same information that is in the public domain.

Why not spend the weekend flying. It will be more beneficial than spending time in here chasing your tail with these circular arguments.

Bill, AMA 4720

It's nice to be able to say stupid things whilst behind the safety net of a comptuer screen .... eh combatpig?

Apparently Mike L isn't smart enough to know that as a politician, they have access to the names an addy records of all the people in the district they are running for. When I run an won a county seat a few years back I went to the courthouse an had them run me off a registered voters list with a heck of a lot more info on it than the ama deal. With this I knew each an every name, addy, an other info of the people that would be voting in my district. Hoss isn't doing anything different than any politician does.

He's doing it to keep from having to waste time with people like the local Village Idiot on here.

It seems that arguing with this character is no different than arguing with stl. You can prove him wrong an he'll still comeback with some other wild claim to keep dragging this thread on an on an on.


MIKE L-call your local Pol sometime an start questioning him about something. I'll bet a bucket of apples he'll ask your name an where ya live before he will answer you!


Ron

nvm

I suppose I should have inserted a smiley or something in my quoted post, KE.

I, too, was marveling at the irony but from a different perspective than you are.

Not long ago I was called a sheep, labeled a member of the detested love it or leave it crowd, and got a brief, skewed version of the history of Poland over defending the AMA. Situational rationalization is in full effect.

I wonder about the criminal nature of misusing personal data given to the AMA by those with access to it.
Thats what you are saying, right?

I mean, Hoss doesnt have folks AMA#, and its not like he is giving out to others.
An example of someone geting folks AMA#s and giving it out would be...
uh...
Gimme a min....
...Oh, here we go,
this would be an example of that:

So again, I ask you MikeL
Are you interested in securing the private data of AMA members,
such as to prevent AMA District5 staff from keeping track of D8 members and posting that data on the internet?


You are upset that Hoss could possibly do something as Red actually just did.
What are you going to do about Reds abuse & misuse (in your view) of KidC's data?
You can blame the AMA, or that guy in the D5 AMA staff... seems the only guy you cant blame is Hoss.
So go ahead, point your finger and make your accusations,
and this time it is about what DID happen with Red rather than what might happen with Hoss.

I cant wait to hear if you blame Muncie or D5 for this one.

For the record: Kid chuckles (aka Charles Cross) posted his AMA number on an RCU forum.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=6852785
Anyone having this information is able to verify it on the AMA web site under membership verification.

Now in case he decides to go back and delete it here is what he posted:

RE: AMA Video scheme
"As you can see in the letter itself they have been sending me this same letter since the first DVD came out I think but am not sure i recieved this same thing in DEC. but this is the letter i found. I did not really think i had the letters anymore but my wife said she had kept something like that just because it came from AMA and new that i kept stuff from them. Sorry my skill at pc stuff is about like my flying skills. But this is as good as i can do. It is exactly word for word. I am alot of things but liar is not one of them.
Charlie Cross AMA # 882138"

You mean to tell me that Hoss is only answering particular questions so he doesn't have to deal with idiots?

Right are those the same village idiots you see on the flightline ... I’ve seen a couple ... have you? He can't handle them behind a computer screen, well how is it going to be different when it's actual flesh and blood Mr. Bennefeld?

Hoss made us all try to believe his job will be utilizing limited amounts of his time, well we've been shown much different. Not enough time to answer 2-3 questions a day, while he is "campaigning", then not enough time for EVP. This position should goto someone who will take "village idiots" and his own time seriously, it's no joke and that's what Hoss has and is making this job appear. Dealing with the idiots goes along with the job.

Well, Mr. Einstein you might be one of those village people, since you aren't even smart enough to reply to me instead of Red. Your just afraid that Hoss getting elected might cut into your gravy train IMO.