ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield

The purpose is for AMA club secretary to determine in an individual is in fact a paid up member. You get all kinds of people claiming that they are members when they are not. It takes no talent whatsoever to phony up an AMA card changing the date of expiration or to make one up totally from scratch.

ORIGINAL: MikeL


And that's a perfectly legitimate purpose. The AMA member's only area can differentiate between those who are and are not club officers, so that sort of query should be restricted to club officers and CDs. Horrace is abusing the database by using it to vet people's identities here.

I strongly dislike that sort of abuse. The willingness to engage in it here makes me question what such a person would do if more data were available to him. I intend to make an issue of this with the AMA. It's time to take the toys away from the children.

ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield


Mike,

Do you ever attend an AMA sanctioned meet? Do you sign up putting name, address and AMA number on the forms? Do you belong to a club with a newsletter? Does it periodically publish a membership list?, does it have a membership list on their web site? Do you put your AMA card on the frequency board as required at most club sites? Do you have your AMA number on your models? Do you ever send pictures of your models to a magazine where your name is published? Have you ever hung up a model for sale in the local hobby shop with your name, address, phone number? Are you in your local phone book? Why are you so timid in letting your name and AMA number being known like a man that is not afraid to stand for what he belives. If you don't believe in yourself you have my pitty.

ORIGINAL: The Toolman

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Even the local Village Idiot can look ya up if he has your last name an # on the page Ken refers to.....

ORIGINAL: MikeL

You seem absolutely stuck on the point of possible harm. Our privacy rights and concerns are not necessarily determined from a "possible harm" standpoint. I very much believe that personal information is usually private information. I do things for reasons. I do not say "no immediate harm seems apparent, so I guess I'll do that." I need a positive reason, rather than a negative reason. I know that's a fuzzy concept, but it's where I'm coming from.

My vote is mine to give. A candidate has to earn it, or like most AMA members I'll simply not cast it. My vote will not be earned by someone who intends to make people (AMA members or not) jump through hoops in order to merely ask a question. That is poor management, poor people-skills, and poor thinking. Those are not traits likely to earn my vote. Are they traits likely to earn yours? I believe any unqualified answer must be "no".

Spy vs. Spy

These requirements do not extend to the main forum, but here they do

ORIGINAL: The Toolman



You mean you typed, an emailed them.

There is no U.S. mail I know of that fast when writing someone.

ORIGINAL: mongo

the reason for him asking for ama number and name, is,
why waste time and effort in an election forum answering questions for folks that are not allowed to vote in the election.

and i would say that he becomes something other than a private citizen upon the moment of election.

ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder

A paranoid life doesn't sound like too much fun to me.

ORIGINAL: The Toolman

Nah I don't think so

But your so dang nit picky about everything everybody else says, I thought I'd give ya a little bit of your own medicine for a change...[sm=thumbup.gif]

ORIGINAL: MikeL


Then why is it that you support Horrace's paranoia and desire to vet those who ask him questions?

ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

I dug this up.
I didnt know either so I researched it.

Original Hoss, in the candidate subforum:

TO ALL:

Since there are so many rumors floating in these regular forums, I wish to try to set it straight about my rules in the Executive Vice President Sub-Forum.

2.) My interests in this volunteer job are more to what I consider the "Big Picture". I may not be as interested in individual situations as you think I should be. Those items will be decided as they happen, but the future of AMA as a member organization promoting model aviation of each discipline is where I see my efforts being focused.

That means that I will do just as it says. As for flying facilities I want each club to be able to obtain their facilities in a much less hostile atmosphere than they find now. Such condition will result only when AMA can convince governmental agencies that model aviation is a serious and demanding recreational and educational activity so very worthy of consideration in community planning.


3.) If you wish to be seriously recognized, then I need a name, first and last, AMA number, and I may request a zip code. These discussions are for AMA Business and that is where I will direct my labors.

That means what it says: "....seriously recognized..." Notice there is nothing saying that a question has to be serious.
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There is nothing there that says "Open", "Leader", "Junior", "Senior", or PPP member, simply "AMA Member".
EDITED to add, There is no requirement for said AMA member to be a voting AMA member.

The zip code says "....may request..." and is not a MUST item, unless I think I have a reason for such on a one-on-one basis.

RCU has many more members than AMA has. Therefore some RCU members are not AMA members. Any AMA member is welcome to ask questions of me in the EVP sub-forum. I answer most questions in these main forums to the best of my ability except when some blatantly use their own terms as quotations of remarks which I did not say.

ORIGINAL: Hossfly

Now to mikel and associates that have your panties in a wad about your personal privacy, just go back and READ POST # 40 in this very thread.

ORIGINAL: MikeL


If this is how you choose to address me and deal with my concern, so be it. That's your character issue and cross to bear. Someone has stated "business-like and professional" in regards to you, but you've yet to demonstrate those qualities to me.

You seem out of touch with reality. You can't even grasp that what you've been doing is wrong. People lose their livelihoods for doing what you do here. Your laissez faire attitude towards both the concern and your own misappropriation of private data is a fine demonstration of your unsuitability for a position requiring responsibility. I know you're a bit older, and I'm guessing you're retired. Rather than dig your heals in about an issue you seem ignorant about, why don't you demonstrate the ability to learn?

Everybody makes mistakes. You've made one by misappropriating an AMA member database for your personal use. That kind of mistake is certainly forgivable, but you aren't even interested as to whether or not your behavior is acceptable. Is this how you'll proceed each and every time your lack of knowledge and awareness leads you into a mistake?

ORIGINAL: combatpigg

The ugly truth is that no one is equipped to converse or debate with Hoss about the technical and legal aspects of his proposals to improve the AMA. So the next best thing for some is to focus on the type of issues that you would see on Oprah or Dr Phil.

ORIGINAL: MikeL

Horrace makes no bones about it. He doesn't see it as wrong. He's had ample opportunity to deny it, and he has not done that.

I'd wager that a good portion of those who actually have been elected do the same exact thing. I don't think anyone has yet pointed out the problem to them. That'll change.