Why Hoss?
08-28-2008 | 11:35 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Has MikeL seen what is inside the whitepages phonebook?
How can all that personal info get leaked without major lawsuits & criminal charges?
You say the organization (& you as an insider) would be the failure point if there was a leak
Mike, if you are upset about AMA giving away your info all willy nilly publicly
perhaps you should be upset with them about it.
Go ahead & call the AMA (its a toll free number) and tell them to secure your info.
We'll wait for you to let us know what they are going to do about this personal data leak you've discovered.
Thats what you want, right?
The ama to fix the data leak? Once you identify it to them, they have to fix it
or you're gonna sue the crud out of them, right?
Your supposed slam dunk against Hoss is actually against the AMA... you gonna call them on it?
My theory is:
They are not going to fix the data leak
because they do not see it as an inappropriate use of their collected data,
which means Hoss is not doing anything wrong,
he is using the AMA provided tools within AMA accepted use.
How can all that personal info get leaked without major lawsuits & criminal charges?
Over the last two years I've been involved in the design and implementation of a state-wide data system for tracking certain educational information. If the program I've worked with allowed any piece of personal data to be sifted out by those who should not have access to such data, we'd have failed. It doesn't matter if it's a first name, a date of birth, an attendance rate, or piece of demographic data. In today's environment, an organization simply cannot play fast and loose with its members' personal information.
Mike, if you are upset about AMA giving away your info all willy nilly publicly
perhaps you should be upset with them about it.
Go ahead & call the AMA (its a toll free number) and tell them to secure your info.
We'll wait for you to let us know what they are going to do about this personal data leak you've discovered.
Thats what you want, right?
The ama to fix the data leak? Once you identify it to them, they have to fix it
or you're gonna sue the crud out of them, right?
Your supposed slam dunk against Hoss is actually against the AMA... you gonna call them on it?
My theory is:
They are not going to fix the data leak
because they do not see it as an inappropriate use of their collected data,
which means Hoss is not doing anything wrong,
he is using the AMA provided tools within AMA accepted use.
08-28-2008 | 12:58 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
I dug this up.
I didnt know either so I researched it.
Original Hoss, in the candidate subforum:
I dug this up.
I didnt know either so I researched it.
Original Hoss, in the candidate subforum:
These requirements do not extend to the main forum, but here they do
08-28-2008 | 02:59 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Right now, all I might consider about you is that you may well have been an USAF Operations Officer. We lesser types called the Ops. Officers Seagulls. Same for Flight Managers/Chief Pilots in the airlines.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
Right now, all I might consider about you is that you may well have been an USAF Operations Officer. We lesser types called the Ops. Officers Seagulls. Same for Flight Managers/Chief Pilots in the airlines.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
Horrace, I'm sure that will play quite well at EC meetings and go a long way in helping you to persuade individuals to see things your way.
08-28-2008 | 03:30 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
I'd love to give you the answer, however it seems at though we may be writing our books based on the same subject matter, so I really don't want to divulge that information until my book has hit the bestsellers list. And then when that time comes you'll still have to answer the same 3 questions I asked Stickbuilder. Like you said ... I know it may seem childish ... but it seems to be the new forum trend.
By the way, if you actually live in New York, why have you been using the Saint Louis Mo. (STL) airport code for your handle for so long?
Hey stl, if yer gonna write a book on you, this forum an the ama, and it hits the bestsellers list, be sure an make me a copy of it on dvd like this guy with the same name did. Even if it ain't as good of a copy as the original....haha
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar.../tc/tc03a.html
08-28-2008 | 03:54 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Come on Ronnie ... you can't find my zip code yet? How about my AMA number ... did you find that? Tell you what I'll paypal you $25 if you can find my zip code ... good luck!
Let me know if you need a copy of that software! 40 million copies sold an counting.
Let me know if you need a copy of that software! 40 million copies sold an counting.
08-28-2008 | 03:56 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Hoss and I have disagreed a time or so, but I still think he is the man to straighten some things out up in Muncie.
If I was in charge of the ama an looking at the new PPP Frontier, I would want some good Financial Advisors to show me the way. And I think Hoss is the guy to do it.
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If I was in charge of the ama an looking at the new PPP Frontier, I would want some good Financial Advisors to show me the way. And I think Hoss is the guy to do it.
Edit for spelling
08-28-2008 | 04:14 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
You aren't fooling anybody fella. It shows all of your addys, even when you worked for OMP. Heck it even shows that same addy for Hobby Quest an says you are the ceo. Heck, anybody can use msn white pages to find it.
Whats Adi think about all that? I'll bet thats a new Frontier
07628-2028
Whats Adi think about all that? I'll bet thats a new Frontier
07628-2028
08-28-2008 | 04:26 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Wrong ... try again ... give you a hint ... look about 1 inch to the left and down 3 inches (depending on your computer resolution)
08-28-2008 | 06:21 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Mikel, would you please define the "it" as you use in your tirade as quoted above? What is "it" that I am supposed to either deny or not deny?
As one who states, "Ever seen me argue about any of them? I'm not a regular in this forum. I'm just your average AMA member who is a member because I have to be a member." (Mikel) you seem very emotional over some item that I don't yet know about.
Just in case you are referring to the use of name and AMA # to verify AMA membership, I don't bother with that small detail. If you are MAN ENOUGH to stand on your two feet and be counted with your positions and questions in the EVP Sub-Forum, then that is adequate for me. If not, then you are not worth my time and effort.
You don't see me hiding mine.
Right now, all I might consider about you is that you may well have been an USAF Operations Officer. We lesser types called the Ops. Officers Seagulls. Same for Flight Managers/Chief Pilots in the airlines.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
ORIGINAL: MikeL
Horrace makes no bones about it. He doesn't see it as wrong. He's had ample opportunity to deny it, and he has not done that.
I'd wager that a good portion of those who actually have been elected do the same exact thing. I don't think anyone has yet pointed out the problem to them. That'll change.
Horrace makes no bones about it. He doesn't see it as wrong. He's had ample opportunity to deny it, and he has not done that.
I'd wager that a good portion of those who actually have been elected do the same exact thing. I don't think anyone has yet pointed out the problem to them. That'll change.
As one who states, "Ever seen me argue about any of them? I'm not a regular in this forum. I'm just your average AMA member who is a member because I have to be a member." (Mikel) you seem very emotional over some item that I don't yet know about.
Just in case you are referring to the use of name and AMA # to verify AMA membership, I don't bother with that small detail. If you are MAN ENOUGH to stand on your two feet and be counted with your positions and questions in the EVP Sub-Forum, then that is adequate for me. If not, then you are not worth my time and effort.
You don't see me hiding mine.
Right now, all I might consider about you is that you may well have been an USAF Operations Officer. We lesser types called the Ops. Officers Seagulls. Same for Flight Managers/Chief Pilots in the airlines.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
I find it ironic that you nickname Ops, Officers, Managers, and Chief Pilots "Seagulls" and yet you’re running for the office of "Executive Vice President" of the AMA.
You want to be a Seagull too don't you.....
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08-28-2008 | 06:56 PM
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Nice work, Toolman. He is your prototypical anti-Hoss kind of guy. Now we all know exactly the kind of guy we're usually "at the wall" with. I wonder if it is possible to get rabies from this guy via RCU?
Making a living by stealing someone else's work is about as low as you can go.
Making a living by stealing someone else's work is about as low as you can go.
08-28-2008 | 08:50 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
is this thread still going?
How much more discussion with Hoss,
about how upset folks are that they are being prevented from discussing stuff with Hoss,
can there be?
How much more discussion with Hoss,
about how upset folks are that they are being prevented from discussing stuff with Hoss,
can there be?
08-28-2008 | 09:53 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Got to love all this goose stepping.
Hoss: love him or leave him alone. Sounds like the herd (sheep) mentality for the Pro-Hoss crowd.
Earlier I opined that Hoss would be judged on his policies. With the posts he's made since then he has proven that the one thing that most who oppose him list as his biggest flaw is absolutely true and correct. I could just see all the progress that would be made with Hoss throwing one of those fits in a AMA meeting.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he removed that doubt. Completely.
Now it's down to Mark Smith or Bob Mitchell. < JK, Bob Mitchell. Just thought I would throw some chum in the water for kicks>
Hoss: love him or leave him alone. Sounds like the herd (sheep) mentality for the Pro-Hoss crowd.
Earlier I opined that Hoss would be judged on his policies. With the posts he's made since then he has proven that the one thing that most who oppose him list as his biggest flaw is absolutely true and correct. I could just see all the progress that would be made with Hoss throwing one of those fits in a AMA meeting.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. But he removed that doubt. Completely.
Now it's down to Mark Smith or Bob Mitchell. < JK, Bob Mitchell.
Just thought I would throw some chum in the water for kicks>
08-28-2008 | 10:26 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Hoss: love him or leave him alone. Sounds like the herd (sheep) mentality for the Pro-Hoss crowd.
then what I've been doing about Muncie here has been A-OK these past years.
But it seems the ones that dont mind finding fault with EC candidates
have severe issues with folks finding faults with them after they are elected.
I guess that is a good thing,
once Hoss is elected all the Naysayers will then revert back to positive only drones and blindly endorse what EVP Hoss says & does.... lest they be labled Negative, anti-ama, & Hater for disagreeing with an elected AMA official or his actions
Pick one, Eat the cake or Have the cake
08-28-2008 | 10:35 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
Here is another interesting quote in regards to how ol Hoss handles his own personal secrets. He picks and chooses when and when not to give out personal information, which is pretty normal. But I'm certainly in dismay as to why he needs my personal information, just to answer a question. I wish he would respect my privacy, like he seems to do with himself, when it's appropriate.
Seems to me he keeps a whole bunch of secrets ... like answers to my and others questions, but I guess it's because it's classified as a one on one case basis.
If you go back and look at some of his old posts it's quite entertaining and rather interesting. This could be the man that very well runs the AMA one day.
Hossfly
In addition, I do not keep any secrets concerning AMA operations EXCEPT in some instances where certain individuals just may be looked at with dismay from certain other individuals, and on a one-on-one case basis, I just may elect to not reveal something.
In addition, I do not keep any secrets concerning AMA operations EXCEPT in some instances where certain individuals just may be looked at with dismay from certain other individuals, and on a one-on-one case basis, I just may elect to not reveal something.
Seems to me he keeps a whole bunch of secrets ... like answers to my and others questions, but I guess it's because it's classified as a one on one case basis.
If you go back and look at some of his old posts it's quite entertaining and rather interesting. This could be the man that very well runs the AMA one day.
Same applys to some of your old posts, like the one on 3/12/03 after you had said 2 posts above this one below that you soloed 1 week earlier
"Thanks for your input. The flying I am going to do is mostly casual and aerobatic. I don't anticipate doing any 3D for quite some time. Of course I want a radio with the ability to make digital inputs based on the planes characteristics in certain flight maneuvers. I also don't plan on any helo flying, although I have already purchased a Kyosho 30, but I think I am going to let it go. I think I would have more fun flying airplanes 3D then Helo's.
One other thing is that I am a computer programmer, so that I am very familiar with that area. I also have RealFlight G2 and have logged 250 hours in only windy conditions alone. I also am a FAA pilot with Private, Instrument, Twin ratings. As far a buddy box goes, I don't think I will need one. I am not trying to brag, I only am letting you know what kind of experience that I have with planes. I just don't have the smaller details like radios, servos, etc. and other lingo at the present time.
One other thing with the PPM/PCM deal. Should I need it? St. Louis does have one public field close to me that I would like to go to from time to time. But the stories I have heard is that since it's not a club and anyone can walk-on with an AMA, radio problems occur. For safety reasons should I need a PCM?
Any additional info would be great. THANKS !"
stl what on earth is twin ratings, is this something genetically(sp?) inherited so your wife/GF will always have twins? Or do you mean what any real pilot would know to say-Multi Engine ?
From reading the above post I would say you are more qualified to spread something, but I ain't sure what yet
Sooooo if I was you, I wouldn't be dissin Hoss on everything he has to say, you seem to have a pretty entertaining past also
08-28-2008 | 11:40 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Mikel, would you please define the "it" as you use in your tirade as quoted above? What is "it" that I am supposed to either deny or not deny?
Mikel, would you please define the "it" as you use in your tirade as quoted above? What is "it" that I am supposed to either deny or not deny?
You know what the "it" is. The "it" is inappropriately using AMA resources for your own personal reasons. Have you run people's names and AMA numbers through the membership verification tool for purposes other a contest or club membership check?
Just in case you are referring to the use of name and AMA # to verify AMA membership, I don't bother with that small detail. If you are MAN ENOUGH to stand on your two feet and be counted with your positions and questions in the EVP Sub-Forum, then that is adequate for me. If not, then you are not worth my time and effort.
If you're an honest person of good character, you'll answer my question about the membership verification tool with a simple yes or no. Then again, we all know the answer already, and we all know that you simply are not capable of doing what I ask of you. It's too... honest and forthright.
Right now, all I might consider about you is that you may well have been an USAF Operations Officer. We lesser types called the Ops. Officers Seagulls. Same for Flight Managers/Chief Pilots in the airlines.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
They were all called seagulls because they mainly stand around, squawk, make noise, poop on the troops, and one had to throw big rocks at them to get them to fly. [sm=50_50.gif] IMO, without additional information, you fairly well meet the requirements.
Keep working to make enemies, Horrace. We'll see what that does for you.
08-28-2008 | 11:45 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
well, then, there, now, rootie-poop.
well, then, there, now, rootie-poop.
For those of you that are wondering, I've heard from Greg Minch on this issue. Greg is the AMA's IT Director. Greg has stated that the purpose of the tool is clubs and CDs to verify membership.
If Horrace has used it for any other purpose, he is misappropriating an AMA database for his private use. As he's said, he thinks nothing of doing such things.
08-29-2008 | 12:00 AM
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Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, the child doth rant. He do get he li'l self all worked up when he don't get he way! Bless he li'l heart! [sm=cry_smile.gif]
mikel, if you weren't so pathetic, you just might be a good comic. [sm=lol.gif]
mikel, if you weren't so pathetic, you just might be a good comic. [sm=lol.gif]
08-29-2008 | 12:05 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: mongo
then greg needs to state such on the site.
until then it is fair game for whoever happens upon it.
it SHOULD probably be a members only item as well.
then greg needs to state such on the site.
until then it is fair game for whoever happens upon it.
it SHOULD probably be a members only item as well.
08-29-2008 | 12:06 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Hossfly
Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, the child doth rant. He do get he li'l self all worked up when he don't get he way! Bless he li'l heart! [sm=cry_smile.gif]
mikel, if you weren't so pathetic, you just might be a good comic. [sm=lol.gif]
Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, the child doth rant. He do get he li'l self all worked up when he don't get he way! Bless he li'l heart! [sm=cry_smile.gif]
mikel, if you weren't so pathetic, you just might be a good comic. [sm=lol.gif]
08-29-2008 | 12:21 AM
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RE: Why Hoss?
For those of you that are wondering, I've heard from Greg Minch on this issue. Greg is the AMA's IT Director. Greg has stated that the purpose of the tool is clubs and CDs to verify membership.
then greg needs to state such on the site.
until then it is fair game for whoever happens upon it.
until then it is fair game for whoever happens upon it.
That seems logical to me.
Too bad Landowners cant use it to verify 4guys they are letting fly on their land still have AMA (& therefore insurance), according to the quote from some guy in the bowels of AMA <that landowner is neither a club nor a CD>.
Although, this reminds me of the time STL was waiving around an email from CarlM at AMA,
where STL interpreted the email to say the AMA was against paintball gunnery.... how did that turn out again?
If you guys really want to debate the fair/intended use of the Member Verifier
lets do itin a new thread, so here we can get back to
Hoss talking with anonymous folks in the RCU AMA forum, and identified folks in the subforum
08-29-2008 | 12:50 AM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Hoss talking with anonymous folks in the RCU AMA forum, and identified folks in the subforum
Hoss talking with anonymous folks in the RCU AMA forum, and identified folks in the subforum
You have to admit that sounds at least a little goofy...Oh well, I'll just close my eyes... if I think of a question... just ask it here and pretend I am getting a real answer.
08-29-2008 | 01:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: MikeL
Dear lord. Is this what you do when you can't articulate an opinion?
For those of you that are wondering, I've heard from Greg Minch on this issue. Greg is the AMA's IT Director. Greg has stated that the purpose of the tool is clubs and CDs to verify membership.
If Horrace has used it for any other purpose, he is misappropriating an AMA database for his private use. As he's said, he thinks nothing of doing such things.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
well, then, there, now, rootie-poop.
well, then, there, now, rootie-poop.
For those of you that are wondering, I've heard from Greg Minch on this issue. Greg is the AMA's IT Director. Greg has stated that the purpose of the tool is clubs and CDs to verify membership.
If Horrace has used it for any other purpose, he is misappropriating an AMA database for his private use. As he's said, he thinks nothing of doing such things.
Bill, AMA 4720
