Why Hoss?
08-27-2008 | 12:45 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
By the way, if you actually live in New York, why have you been using the Saint Louis Mo. (STL) airport code for your handle for so long?
08-27-2008 | 01:53 PM
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Kid
You have a point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a candidate mandating how his services will be rendered. My way or the hi-way is perfectly fine...there is plenty of road.
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You have a point. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a candidate mandating how his services will be rendered. My way or the hi-way is perfectly fine...there is plenty of road.
08-27-2008 | 01:54 PM
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I disagree. To use identity as a requirement to merely pose a question is off-putting. When the answer hinges on a piece of identifying information, that moves into a different category. But to merely pose a question? That speaks of a level of paranoia and distrust. This is a public forum. Anyone can read the answers given, and one must assume that the public nature of the forum was chosen specifically because anyone can read the answer. If not, private correspondence would have been sufficient.
A question that requires identification of the questioner in order to be properly answered is a rare thing. Even in the scenarios you posed, the question itself simply wouldn't require any identification.
To me, this sort of silliness speaks of the mindsets involved. Paranoia, suspicion, and a lack of desire to work for others. This AMA forum is steeped in personal conflicts. People need to move beyond that. If a person is unwilling to do so, what business do they have seeking a leadership position?
A question that requires identification of the questioner in order to be properly answered is a rare thing. Even in the scenarios you posed, the question itself simply wouldn't require any identification.
To me, this sort of silliness speaks of the mindsets involved. Paranoia, suspicion, and a lack of desire to work for others. This AMA forum is steeped in personal conflicts. People need to move beyond that. If a person is unwilling to do so, what business do they have seeking a leadership position?
08-27-2008 | 02:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: MikeL
I disagree. To use identity as a requirement to merely pose a question is off-putting. When the answer hinges on a piece of identifying information, that moves into a different category. But to merely pose a question? That speaks of a level of paranoia and distrust. This is a public forum. Anyone can read the answers given, and one must assume that the public nature of the forum was chosen specifically because anyone can read the answer. If not, private correspondence would have been sufficient.
A question that requires identification of the questioner in order to be properly answered is a rare thing. Even in the scenarios you posed, the question itself simply wouldn't require any identification.
To me, this sort of silliness speaks of the mindsets involved. Paranoia, suspicion, and a lack of desire to work for others. This AMA forum is steeped in personal conflicts. People need to move beyond that. If a person is unwilling to do so, what business do they have seeking a leadership position?
I disagree. To use identity as a requirement to merely pose a question is off-putting. When the answer hinges on a piece of identifying information, that moves into a different category. But to merely pose a question? That speaks of a level of paranoia and distrust. This is a public forum. Anyone can read the answers given, and one must assume that the public nature of the forum was chosen specifically because anyone can read the answer. If not, private correspondence would have been sufficient.
A question that requires identification of the questioner in order to be properly answered is a rare thing. Even in the scenarios you posed, the question itself simply wouldn't require any identification.
To me, this sort of silliness speaks of the mindsets involved. Paranoia, suspicion, and a lack of desire to work for others. This AMA forum is steeped in personal conflicts. People need to move beyond that. If a person is unwilling to do so, what business do they have seeking a leadership position?
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-27-2008 | 02:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
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By the same token, we have our share of kooks in here, and some would not hesitate to waste the other person's time and resources just to jack with him.
Bill, AMA 4720
<big snip>
By the same token, we have our share of kooks in here, and some would not hesitate to waste the other person's time and resources just to jack with him.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-27-2008 | 03:29 PM
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You know something. If I didn't need the AMA site insurance for our land owner I would want nothing to do with it(the AMA) just because of this forum. I know it's a small minority of members who post here but come on this is ridiculous ,trolling, fighting, bad mouthing one another it makes me sick. I know I don't have to come to this forum and find myself here less and less. I guess I had hopes that someday things would change but its not happening. I suggest you all grow up and go fly something. That's what were supposed to be about not picking on another apart. Hoss I don't agree with you all the time and don't normally see things the way you do but thanks for the effort and Good Luck. Mike Taylor AMA#701133 Zip 79936
08-27-2008 | 03:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Not rushing to the sound of the muskets, or anything such as that, but I honestly believe that if you will do some digging, you will find that (a) Horrace has already given much more to this hobby than he has or will take from it, and (b) Horrace is not one to start personal conflicts, but neither will he shrink from one, and (c) Horrace has always been one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, at least until that person displays that he is not worthy of that treatment.
Bill, AMA 4720
Not rushing to the sound of the muskets, or anything such as that, but I honestly believe that if you will do some digging, you will find that (a) Horrace has already given much more to this hobby than he has or will take from it, and (b) Horrace is not one to start personal conflicts, but neither will he shrink from one, and (c) Horrace has always been one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, at least until that person displays that he is not worthy of that treatment.
Bill, AMA 4720
You are right...Hoss has done much for the hobby but he is quick to be drawn down to the level of the pigs and get just as nasty and dirty. I have baited him a few times as others have just for fun with unfailing success. A real shame to say the very least. If he could learn to quit being so demanding of his way or the hi-way and just take the high road himself...Dang...I sure would like to get behind him! Oh well...not going to happen I suspect. Just a small overhaul in the tactics department would do wonders for him and maybe us. You know… treat others with respect…no matter what…
For some (maybe many) of us we intend that AMA should always strive to be greater than the sum of its members. Being proud of an organization such as AMA is dependant on the exact worth we perceive it has by accomplishing the goals we support. AMA has changed substantially in the last few years. Some are grateful for the change while others will resent them. Nothing new. Personally I see AMA changing for the better even though I don't agree with some recent program goals.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Bill, AMA 4720
You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-27-2008 | 03:59 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
I would assume that the AMA values the privacy of its members, and does not make such a database available to the general public. Working on that assumption, just what is the point of the hoop that Horace is attempting to put up? It appears to be a private agenda, and a misuse (in my opinion) of apparent authority.
Your attitude is akin to the attitude of conformance. "Papers, please!" is an unkind phrase. To most Americans it is an anathema to our senses of freedom and privacy. Before you align yourself with such a camp, please think of the historical connotations associated with it. I would not be proud to ask someone why they won't identify themselves just to ask a candidate a mere question. Part of why I chose to serve my country was to support ideals that run counter to that sort of authoritarianism.
To answer your questions, I have nothing against someone asking me if I am a member. I may answer as I choose. I won't divulge my personal information without what I consider good cause. Am I embarrassed about being a member? Of course not. What, beyond some childish form of peer pressure, would prompt you to suggest such a thing? Pride? I'll decide where and when to display how I feel about my membership. I try not to get emotional about such unimportant things, and I tend to think this world would be a better place if fewer people casually gave their opinions and feelings on a wide variety of subjects. I'm not the type to put a bumper sticker on my car. Perhaps you are?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals. Are the questions inappropriate? Do they violate the forum rules? Are they an affront to decency? If the answer to all three of those is no, then an individual asserting their right to privacy should not bar the asking of the question.
08-27-2008 | 04:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: MikeL
I find it interesting that you think it necessary for someone to identify their AMA number in order to pose a question. I don't know about you, but like most people I have an interest in my personal privacy. Supplying a number is hardly verification of identity or membership. If the AMA allows those who do not hold office or employment by the AMA to check a membership database, that's a privacy concern. Is that possible? Can someone who doesn't fit into one of those two categories access an AMA membership database? If so, that is very troubling. If that were the case, such a thing would need to immediately be changed.
I would assume that the AMA values the privacy of its members, and does not make such a database available to the general public. Working on that assumption, just what is the point of the hoop that Horace is attempting to put up? It appears to be a private agenda, and a misuse (in my opinion) of apparent authority.
Your attitude is akin to the attitude of conformance. "Papers, please!" is an unkind phrase. To most Americans it is an anathema to our senses of freedom and privacy. Before you align yourself with such a camp, please think of the historical connotations associated with it. I would not be proud to ask someone why they won't identify themselves just to ask a candidate a mere question. Part of why I chose to serve my country was to support ideals that run counter to that sort of authoritarianism.
To answer your questions, I have nothing against someone asking me if I am a member. I may answer as I choose. I won't divulge my personal information without what I consider good cause. Am I embarrassed about being a member? Of course not. What, beyond some childish form of peer pressure, would prompt you to suggest such a thing? Pride? I'll decide where and when to display how I feel about my membership. I try not to get emotional about such unimportant things, and I tend to think this world would be a better place if fewer people casually gave their opinions and feelings on a wide variety of subjects. I'm not the type to put a bumper sticker on my car. Perhaps you are?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals. Are the questions inappropriate? Do they violate the forum rules? Are they an affront to decency? If the answer to all three of those is no, then an individual asserting their right to privacy should not bar the asking of the question.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
I would assume that the AMA values the privacy of its members, and does not make such a database available to the general public. Working on that assumption, just what is the point of the hoop that Horace is attempting to put up? It appears to be a private agenda, and a misuse (in my opinion) of apparent authority.
Your attitude is akin to the attitude of conformance. "Papers, please!" is an unkind phrase. To most Americans it is an anathema to our senses of freedom and privacy. Before you align yourself with such a camp, please think of the historical connotations associated with it. I would not be proud to ask someone why they won't identify themselves just to ask a candidate a mere question. Part of why I chose to serve my country was to support ideals that run counter to that sort of authoritarianism.
To answer your questions, I have nothing against someone asking me if I am a member. I may answer as I choose. I won't divulge my personal information without what I consider good cause. Am I embarrassed about being a member? Of course not. What, beyond some childish form of peer pressure, would prompt you to suggest such a thing? Pride? I'll decide where and when to display how I feel about my membership. I try not to get emotional about such unimportant things, and I tend to think this world would be a better place if fewer people casually gave their opinions and feelings on a wide variety of subjects. I'm not the type to put a bumper sticker on my car. Perhaps you are?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals. Are the questions inappropriate? Do they violate the forum rules? Are they an affront to decency? If the answer to all three of those is no, then an individual asserting their right to privacy should not bar the asking of the question.
08-27-2008 | 04:26 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals.
are we talking about Hoss or the other candidate?
If we are talking about Hoss,
he publicly answers questions from anonymous individuals all the time in the RCU AMA forum, he also publicly takes part in many discussions on a variety of topics with the anonymous posters here.
If you are talking about the other candidate,
I have no idea why they are not at RCU publicly answering questions from anonymous individuals, and I'm not gonna speculate on it.
Perhaps the question you guys should be asking Hoss is
do the identity requirements to be taken seriously apply to all RCU or just his Candidate Subforum.
08-27-2008 | 05:07 PM
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ORIGINAL: MikeL
I find it interesting that you think it necessary for someone to identify their AMA number in order to pose a question. I don't know about you, but like most people I have an interest in my personal privacy. Supplying a number is hardly verification of identity or membership. If the AMA allows those who do not hold office or employment by the AMA to check a membership database, that's a privacy concern. Is that possible? Can someone who doesn't fit into one of those two categories access an AMA membership database? If so, that is very troubling. If that were the case, such a thing would need to immediately be changed.
I would assume that the AMA values the privacy of its members, and does not make such a database available to the general public. Working on that assumption, just what is the point of the hoop that Horace is attempting to put up? It appears to be a private agenda, and a misuse (in my opinion) of apparent authority.
Your attitude is akin to the attitude of conformance. "Papers, please!" is an unkind phrase. To most Americans it is an anathema to our senses of freedom and privacy. Before you align yourself with such a camp, please think of the historical connotations associated with it. I would not be proud to ask someone why they won't identify themselves just to ask a candidate a mere question. Part of why I chose to serve my country was to support ideals that run counter to that sort of authoritarianism.
To answer your questions, I have nothing against someone asking me if I am a member. I may answer as I choose. I won't divulge my personal information without what I consider good cause. Am I embarrassed about being a member? Of course not. What, beyond some childish form of peer pressure, would prompt you to suggest such a thing? Pride? I'll decide where and when to display how I feel about my membership. I try not to get emotional about such unimportant things, and I tend to think this world would be a better place if fewer people casually gave their opinions and feelings on a wide variety of subjects. I'm not the type to put a bumper sticker on my car. Perhaps you are?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals. Are the questions inappropriate? Do they violate the forum rules? Are they an affront to decency? If the answer to all three of those is no, then an individual asserting their right to privacy should not bar the asking of the question.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Once again, what do you have against someone asking if you are a member? It is not something to be embarassed about. You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
I would assume that the AMA values the privacy of its members, and does not make such a database available to the general public. Working on that assumption, just what is the point of the hoop that Horace is attempting to put up? It appears to be a private agenda, and a misuse (in my opinion) of apparent authority.
Your attitude is akin to the attitude of conformance. "Papers, please!" is an unkind phrase. To most Americans it is an anathema to our senses of freedom and privacy. Before you align yourself with such a camp, please think of the historical connotations associated with it. I would not be proud to ask someone why they won't identify themselves just to ask a candidate a mere question. Part of why I chose to serve my country was to support ideals that run counter to that sort of authoritarianism.
To answer your questions, I have nothing against someone asking me if I am a member. I may answer as I choose. I won't divulge my personal information without what I consider good cause. Am I embarrassed about being a member? Of course not. What, beyond some childish form of peer pressure, would prompt you to suggest such a thing? Pride? I'll decide where and when to display how I feel about my membership. I try not to get emotional about such unimportant things, and I tend to think this world would be a better place if fewer people casually gave their opinions and feelings on a wide variety of subjects. I'm not the type to put a bumper sticker on my car. Perhaps you are?
Again, I ask why an AMA EVP candidate is afraid to publicly answer questions from anonymous individuals. Are the questions inappropriate? Do they violate the forum rules? Are they an affront to decency? If the answer to all three of those is no, then an individual asserting their right to privacy should not bar the asking of the question.
First, I don't wish to get into a protracted argument with anyone. I merely stated that I understood the reasons for his requirement. I remember way back when no one had to ask your number. You proudly displayed it on the upper wing surface of your models.
Second, Your AMA number cannot be used to steal your identity, since the AMA does not have your Social Security Account Number, what harm does the requirement pose?
Third, you may require me to make certain information available to you for you to have a conversation with me, or give me information pertaining to the issue at hand. If Horrace initially states that he will require your name and AMA number to have correspendence with you, and you choose not to provide that information, then don't become upset when he chooses to ignore you. You are going to him, and are asking questions, he is not approaching you requiring the same.
In other words, he is at present a private citizen, and a member in good standing of the AMA. If you wish to check his bona-fides, and you are a member, you can go to the AMA site, log in with your personal information, and look him up. You will be required to know his first and last names, and his AMA number. The AMA will tell you whether or not he is a member and what type of membership he holds.
The idea of this equating to the time-worn movie scene of a Wehrmacht officer demanding, "Your papers please", is beyond the point of silliness.
If you don't wish to tell me your name, that is your right. If you don't wish to give your AMA number, that too is your right. If I won't speak to you without them, that is my right.
Have fun. It's a hobby.
Bill Hurt
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ps...did it really dip into the 30's a couple of nights ago?
08-27-2008 | 05:51 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
You are right...Hoss has done much for the hobby but he is quick to be drawn down to the level of the pigs and get just as nasty and dirty. I have baited him a few times as others have just for fun with unfailing success. A real shame to say the very least. If he could learn to quit being so demanding of his way or the hi-way and just take the high road himself...Dang...I sure would like to get behind him! Oh well...not going to happen I suspect. Just a small overhaul in the tactics department would do wonders for him and maybe us. You know… treat others with respect…no matter what…
For some (maybe many) of us we intend that AMA should always strive to be greater than the sum of its members. Being proud of an organization such as AMA is dependant on the exact worth we perceive it has by accomplishing the goals we support. AMA has changed substantially in the last few years. Some are grateful for the change while others will resent them. Nothing new. Personally I see AMA changing for the better even though I don't agree with some recent program goals.
I am an AMA member although I do not have a number...Why???...I despise numbers being associated to my being...others don't...that is fine....a tattoo on the forehead might even serve them well. I'll pass.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Not rushing to the sound of the muskets, or anything such as that, but I honestly believe that if you will do some digging, you will find that (a) Horrace has already given much more to this hobby than he has or will take from it, and (b) Horrace is not one to start personal conflicts, but neither will he shrink from one, and (c) Horrace has always been one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, at least until that person displays that he is not worthy of that treatment.
Bill, AMA 4720
Not rushing to the sound of the muskets, or anything such as that, but I honestly believe that if you will do some digging, you will find that (a) Horrace has already given much more to this hobby than he has or will take from it, and (b) Horrace is not one to start personal conflicts, but neither will he shrink from one, and (c) Horrace has always been one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, at least until that person displays that he is not worthy of that treatment.
Bill, AMA 4720
You are right...Hoss has done much for the hobby but he is quick to be drawn down to the level of the pigs and get just as nasty and dirty. I have baited him a few times as others have just for fun with unfailing success. A real shame to say the very least. If he could learn to quit being so demanding of his way or the hi-way and just take the high road himself...Dang...I sure would like to get behind him! Oh well...not going to happen I suspect. Just a small overhaul in the tactics department would do wonders for him and maybe us. You know… treat others with respect…no matter what…
For some (maybe many) of us we intend that AMA should always strive to be greater than the sum of its members. Being proud of an organization such as AMA is dependant on the exact worth we perceive it has by accomplishing the goals we support. AMA has changed substantially in the last few years. Some are grateful for the change while others will resent them. Nothing new. Personally I see AMA changing for the better even though I don't agree with some recent program goals.
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Bill, AMA 4720
You should be proud to display your membership in this Grand old Academy.
Bill, AMA 4720
08-27-2008 | 05:51 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I merely stated that I understood the reasons for his requirement.
I merely stated that I understood the reasons for his requirement.
Second, Your AMA number cannot be used to steal your identity, since the AMA does not have your Social Security Account Number, what harm does the requirement pose?
Third, you may require me to make certain information available to you for you to have a conversation with me, or give me information pertaining to the issue at hand. If Horrace initially states that he will require your name and AMA number to have correspendence with you, and you choose not to provide that information, then don't become upset when he chooses to ignore you. You are going to him, and are asking questions, he is not approaching you requiring the same.
In other words, he is at present a private citizen, and a member in good standing of the AMA.
If you wish to check his bona-fides, and you are a member, you can go to the AMA site, log in with your personal information, and look him up. You will be required to know his first and last names, and his AMA number. The AMA will tell you whether or not he is a member and what type of membership he holds.
The idea of this equating to the time-worn movie scene of a Wehrmacht officer demanding, "Your papers please", is beyond the point of silliness.
08-27-2008 | 06:05 PM
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<<Moderator Note>>
I am posting this for information purposes only. I in no way am taking any sides in this discussion. The AMA maintains a page on their website were anybody can verify the AMA membership status of any person. The utility requires the person's AMA number and their last name. This page can be accessed by anybody, they do not need to be an AMA member to get to this page.
This utility can be found here:
[link]http://www.modelaircraft.org/MembershipQuery.aspx[/link]
Ken
I am posting this for information purposes only. I in no way am taking any sides in this discussion. The AMA maintains a page on their website were anybody can verify the AMA membership status of any person. The utility requires the person's AMA number and their last name. This page can be accessed by anybody, they do not need to be an AMA member to get to this page.
This utility can be found here:
[link]http://www.modelaircraft.org/MembershipQuery.aspx[/link]
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08-27-2008 | 06:11 PM
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How interesting. I'm going to have to write the AMA and find out what the purpose of that is. If I can discover who is responsible for it, I'll also ask about whether this was an intended use.
Perhaps some accountability needs to be addressed. I'm not so sure that I've given the AMA permission to release my first name.
Perhaps some accountability needs to be addressed. I'm not so sure that I've given the AMA permission to release my first name.
08-27-2008 | 06:16 PM
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[quoteI am not a club officer. I do not believe I have access to this. I've just checked. Perhaps you can guide me to it? I can understand that club officers may need to verify the AMA membership status of club members, and that CDs may need to do this to verify membership for entrants. It would seem to me that any use beyond this is inappropriate. Using such database access for purposes of verifying identities on a web-forum seems clearly inappropriate. This is the sort of thing that gets people fired from their jobs, not elected to an office.
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Even the local Village Idiot can look ya up if he has your last name an # on the page Ken refers to.....
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Even the local Village Idiot can look ya up if he has your last name an # on the page Ken refers to.....
08-27-2008 | 06:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: The Toolman
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
It's interesting, isn't it? You think that data privacy has come a long way, but you still find things like this database. And of course you find people using it for what are (hopefully) completely unintended and unanticipated consequences, such as vetting who will be allowed to ask a question. And you'll find people who think that such a database and misuse/abuse of such a database is fine and dandy.
Perhaps some of us who live in the real world need to get more involved with our hobby insurance provider, if for no other reason than to ensure that it doesn't get itself sued for something stupid.
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
I am an AMA member although I do not have a number...Why???...I despise numbers being associated to my being...others don't...that is fine....a tattoo on the forehead (see picture below) might even serve them well. I'll pass.
I am an AMA member although I do not have a number...Why???...I despise numbers being associated to my being...others don't...that is fine....a tattoo on the forehead (see picture below) might even serve them well. I'll pass.
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No problem, let me introduce Mark Humphries (littlecrankshaf).
From AMA member verification: The membership for MARK D HUMPHRIES - AMA #TUFFONE is valid until 12/31/2008.
For whatever reason he likes to alter his AMA card.
08-27-2008 | 06:49 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: The Toolman
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
08-27-2008 | 06:53 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: MikeL
I'll do that if necessary. Right now, I'm interested in finding out who - exactly - can properly explain the purpose of it to me.
It's interesting, isn't it? You think that data privacy has come a long way, but you still find things like this database. And of course you find people using it for what are (hopefully) completely unintended and unanticipated consequences, such as vetting who will be allowed to ask a question. And you'll find people who think that such a database and misuse/abuse of such a database is fine and dandy.
Perhaps some of us who live in the real world need to get more involved with our hobby insurance provider, if for no other reason than to ensure that it doesn't get itself sued for something stupid.
ORIGINAL: The Toolman
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
It's interesting, isn't it? You think that data privacy has come a long way, but you still find things like this database. And of course you find people using it for what are (hopefully) completely unintended and unanticipated consequences, such as vetting who will be allowed to ask a question. And you'll find people who think that such a database and misuse/abuse of such a database is fine and dandy.
Perhaps some of us who live in the real world need to get more involved with our hobby insurance provider, if for no other reason than to ensure that it doesn't get itself sued for something stupid.
What possible harm can come to you from using your AMA number? It is not tied to any other organization. It is no more dangerous than is posting that you are a member of one of the RCU Brotherhood groups, and signing off with your Brotherhood number. Do you intend to live all your life in fear of what someone may find out about you? Geez, I belong to many different organizations that have issued me an identification number. These numbers are only useful to those within these organizations, and are not tied to any information that could be used to steal your identity in any way that could matter at all.
You appear to be a stand up kind of guy. Be proud of your membership, and display it for all to see.
Bill Hurt
AMA 4720
WACO Brotherhood #1
National Waco Owner's Club member #110
NYA # 2951
And a bunch of others that I have left out.
08-27-2008 | 06:59 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
No problem, let me introduce Mark Humphries (littlecrankshaf).
From AMA member verification: The membership for MARK D HUMPHRIES - AMA #TUFFONE is valid until 12/31/2008.
No problem, let me introduce Mark Humphries (littlecrankshaf).
From AMA member verification: The membership for MARK D HUMPHRIES - AMA #TUFFONE is valid until 12/31/2008.
It's an inexcusable and gross violation of someone's privacy. It wasn't your decision to make and to do so is beyond the pale.
08-27-2008 | 07:21 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: MikeL
How interesting. I'm going to have to write the AMA and find out what the purpose of that is. If I can discover who is responsible for it, I'll also ask about whether this was an intended use.
Perhaps some accountability needs to be addressed. I'm not so sure that I've given the AMA permission to release my first name.
How interesting. I'm going to have to write the AMA and find out what the purpose of that is. If I can discover who is responsible for it, I'll also ask about whether this was an intended use.
Perhaps some accountability needs to be addressed. I'm not so sure that I've given the AMA permission to release my first name.
08-27-2008 | 07:25 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Bob Mitchell
I don't know Ron.......I wrote 'em today and got a reply in short order.
ORIGINAL: The Toolman
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
Call'em, you'll come more near getting an answer than writing them.
You mean you typed, an emailed them.
There is no U.S. mail I know of that fast when writing someone.
08-27-2008 | 07:27 PM
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RE: Why Hoss?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
What possible harm can come to you from using your AMA number?
What possible harm can come to you from using your AMA number?
My vote is mine to give. A candidate has to earn it, or like most AMA members I'll simply not cast it. My vote will not be earned by someone who intends to make people (AMA members or not) jump through hoops in order to merely ask a question. That is poor management, poor people-skills, and poor thinking. Those are not traits likely to earn my vote. Are they traits likely to earn yours? I believe any unqualified answer must be "no".
