Redwing 50cc Sboch
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I think I already mentioned this, but keep your batteries all near the firewall for balance. I had all mine up there and it was just about right. I don't think you have to add weight, unless you want a very neutral, super tame plane. But you won't want to put them back
good work on the photos/build thread!
good work on the photos/build thread!
10-29-2010, 07:56 PM
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Tom I really like how you mounted your ignition light that is slick. Have you tried this before I am just wondering how it holds up to the heat.
10-29-2010, 09:07 PM
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Tom I really like how you mounted your ignition light that is slick. Have you tried this before I am just wondering how it holds up to the heat.
Tom I really like how you mounted your ignition light that is slick. Have you tried this before I am just wondering how it holds up to the heat.
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My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
By the way when looking for a good photo of the Matt Hall scheme I found out that all their photos are subject to copyrights, which didn't use to be the case before last week. The one photo i am trying to show here was downloaded from Wikipedia which is a free internet resource.
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Second installment was fitting the cowl. That took some doing. Me engine needs 2 1/2'' Standoffs on this plane. If I did that Id have to cut some more clearance for the muffler and the back of the carb. As of now I have a 1/4'' gap between the cowl and the back of the spinner. I much prefer that the factory move the firewall back and let me shim the Standoffs forward. Ill work on the clearances some more so all I have to do is change standoffs when the time comes. I'm going to leave it the way it is for now. I don't know how the DLE fits but a D/A would have the same issues that the YD-A has. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out to make things fit. When I put the plane on the ground you couldn't hardly tell the difference.
Second installment was fitting the cowl. That took some doing. Me engine needs 2 1/2'' Standoffs on this plane. If I did that Id have to cut some more clearance for the muffler and the back of the carb. As of now I have a 1/4'' gap between the cowl and the back of the spinner. I much prefer that the factory move the firewall back and let me shim the Standoffs forward. Ill work on the clearances some more so all I have to do is change standoffs when the time comes. I'm going to leave it the way it is for now. I don't know how the DLE fits but a D/A would have the same issues that the YD-A has. I had to cut a lot of the cowl out to make things fit. When I put the plane on the ground you couldn't hardly tell the difference.
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Hey Tom...just reviewed your 30cc build..Great Job!.
I am looking forward for your 50cc build,as i am going to order one after Christmas..If they are still in stock then..)
I am looking forward for your 50cc build,as i am going to order one after Christmas..If they are still in stock then..)
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Thank you for the clarification I believe your are correct; it may be possible to copyright a paint scheme indeed. And your are also correct since there is already another company which offers a 50cc and a 100cc version of the Breitling scheme. I may suggest the best thing Redwing may do is to offer an ARC version or an all yellow version and let the builder finish it in whatever scheme he prefers. In fact the all yellow version can be finished as either a Breitling or the Matt Hall scheme.
By the way when looking for a good photo of the Matt Hall scheme I found out that all their photos are subject to copyrights, which didn't use to be the case before last week. The one photo i am trying to show here was downloaded from Wikipedia which is a free internet resource.
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My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
By the way when looking for a good photo of the Matt Hall scheme I found out that all their photos are subject to copyrights, which didn't use to be the case before last week. The one photo i am trying to show here was downloaded from Wikipedia which is a free internet resource.
Yeah its crazy how thing are getting with copyrights. That would be the best bet for covering. I would just hate to see him get in trouble. From what I hear he is a good guy.
10-30-2010, 08:54 PM
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Yeah its crazy how thing are getting with copyrights. That would be the best bet for covering. I would just hate to see him get in trouble. From what I hear he is a good guy.
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Thank you for the clarification I believe your are correct; it may be possible to copyright a paint scheme indeed. And your are also correct since there is already another company which offers a 50cc and a 100cc version of the Breitling scheme. I may suggest the best thing Redwing may do is to offer an ARC version or an all yellow version and let the builder finish it in whatever scheme he prefers. In fact the all yellow version can be finished as either a Breitling or the Matt Hall scheme.
By the way when looking for a good photo of the Matt Hall scheme I found out that all their photos are subject to copyrights, which didn't use to be the case before last week. The one photo i am trying to show here was downloaded from Wikipedia which is a free internet resource.
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My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
My understanding is that the scheme itself is copyrighted by them. I may be wrong though. My understand also is that you can to an extent create anything you want. However, a company/person can deny you the right to show their copywrited material lol. But there is a difference between covering a plane and buying a plane in a scheme. That is like the Red bulls schemes. You can buy them from over seas however you see very few arfs in the US with it. That is due to the copy right laws having an effect on the US sales of material of others. I dont remember who but a company got in trouble for replicating the Red Bull scheme without permission.
Now something like that yak that is covered in the scheme I believe wouldnt start to many problems. However since they already grated the rights/made a deal with another company to produce arf in that scheme for MXSRs it might become a problem if he trys even copying the scheme without the lettering. That would have to be a legality issue that would need to be looked into.
Im not trying to discurage him from making a mxsr as there are a few diffrent companys working on them right now. I just dont want to see the man get hit with legal problems.
By the way when looking for a good photo of the Matt Hall scheme I found out that all their photos are subject to copyrights, which didn't use to be the case before last week. The one photo i am trying to show here was downloaded from Wikipedia which is a free internet resource.
Yeah its crazy how thing are getting with copyrights. That would be the best bet for covering. I would just hate to see him get in trouble. From what I hear he is a good guy.
I think the ARC would be great if it is feasible to produce. That would allow for several different options for schemes.
10-30-2010, 09:09 PM
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Hey Tom...just reviewed your 30cc build..Great Job!.
I am looking forward for your 50cc build,as i am going to order one after Christmas..If they are still in stock then..)
Hey Tom...just reviewed your 30cc build..Great Job!.
I am looking forward for your 50cc build,as i am going to order one after Christmas..If they are still in stock then..)
Thanks for looking in.
I had a funeral, swap meet and a birthday that I had to attend the last two days. That slowed me down a little.
I should have it finished up tomorrow morning. We'll get the maiden in as soon as possible and I'll have the finished photos tomorrow.
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The last component to be installed was the throttle servo. Got that in with no problems hooked up the rest of the ignition.
I usually swap out the prop screws for longer ones and put some lock washers on the screws. I don't like to use locktite on the prop screws. While I was tightening up the spinner I broke it. I'll have to order another one from Tim. It just so happens that the spinner from the 30cc is the same size so I'm borrowing it till I get a new one.
My friend Mike loaned me the PT Prop to try. Thanks for the the loaner and get well soon.
I'm getting ready to balance the plane and mount the receiver batteries next. Then that's it.
I usually swap out the prop screws for longer ones and put some lock washers on the screws. I don't like to use locktite on the prop screws. While I was tightening up the spinner I broke it. I'll have to order another one from Tim. It just so happens that the spinner from the 30cc is the same size so I'm borrowing it till I get a new one.
My friend Mike loaned me the PT Prop to try. Thanks for the the loaner and get well soon.
I'm getting ready to balance the plane and mount the receiver batteries next. Then that's it.
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I thought I would show how I balance the plane.
I always like to start on the center of the spar tube. The pictures show how I transfer the spars center line to the outside of the wing. Then I set the plane on the balancer and move the receiver batteries to where the plane balances. Then I mount the batteries the best I can in that location.
I also fired the engine up just to check for leaks. Everything passed inspection except I have not had the screws in the canopy. I'm sure that will be OK.
I always like to start on the center of the spar tube. The pictures show how I transfer the spars center line to the outside of the wing. Then I set the plane on the balancer and move the receiver batteries to where the plane balances. Then I mount the batteries the best I can in that location.
I also fired the engine up just to check for leaks. Everything passed inspection except I have not had the screws in the canopy. I'm sure that will be OK.
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The last component to be installed was the throttle servo. Got that in with no problems hooked up the rest of the ignition.
I usually swap out the prop screws for longer ones and put some lock washers on the screws. I don't like to use locktite on the prop screws. While I was tightening up the spinner I broke it. I'll have to order another one from Tim. It just so happens that the spinner from the 30cc is the same size so I'm borrowing it till I get a new one.
My friend Mike loaned me the PT Prop to try. Thanks for the the loaner and get well soon.
I'm getting ready to balance the plane and mount the receiver batteries next. Then that's it.
The last component to be installed was the throttle servo. Got that in with no problems hooked up the rest of the ignition.
I usually swap out the prop screws for longer ones and put some lock washers on the screws. I don't like to use locktite on the prop screws. While I was tightening up the spinner I broke it. I'll have to order another one from Tim. It just so happens that the spinner from the 30cc is the same size so I'm borrowing it till I get a new one.
My friend Mike loaned me the PT Prop to try. Thanks for the the loaner and get well soon.
I'm getting ready to balance the plane and mount the receiver batteries next. Then that's it.
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Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Got it from Gpete right here on RCU. Reasonably priced and made in the USA.
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It works on big and small. The width is adjustable to clear wheels. It works great.
Got it from Gpete right here on RCU. Reasonably priced and made in the USA.
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Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Got it from Gpete right here on RCU. Reasonably priced and made in the USA.
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It works on big and small. The width is adjustable to clear wheels. It works great.
Got it from Gpete right here on RCU. Reasonably priced and made in the USA.
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Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Nice....I will try this next time I balance. How about some photos of your balancer. I would like to see what you are using. Thanks in advance.
Got it from Gpete right here on RCU. Reasonably priced and made in the USA.
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We are going to try and get the maiden in today. Stay tuned for video and some big news coming this evening.
We are going to try and get the maiden in today. Stay tuned for video and some big news coming this evening.
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Tom,
Following your build. I have the PAU extra also. How do you compare this plane to that one? I am in the market for a second 50cc plane.
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Jeff
Following your build. I have the PAU extra also. How do you compare this plane to that one? I am in the market for a second 50cc plane.
Thanks
Jeff
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Tom,
Following your build. I have the PAU extra also. How do you compare this plane to that one? I am in the market for a second 50cc plane.
Thanks
Jeff
Tom,
Following your build. I have the PAU extra also. How do you compare this plane to that one? I am in the market for a second 50cc plane.
Thanks
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This flies very similar. One thing for sure its a lot of fun. The PAU is set up for precision and the Sboch I tried to set up for 3D. I was over successful. Got it a little to tail heavy. I was able to hover it longer then my other planes. We had a blast.
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Got the maiden in. It went well. We had about 4 1/2 flights. The first one was just 6 minutes. The other four were full 10 minute flights. I have two videos in the works. The first one is some flying by me and my Son.
Now for the big secret. Bob is the new owner of the Sboch. He decided that he wanted it before we finished putting it together. He made the first flight with it but I didn't have the camera on. So I didn't get any of his first flight. The second video will be of all Bob flying.
The plane was a little tail heavy and twitchy. I was able to cure the twitchiness with some Expo. Landing was a bear at first. As you will see Bob got used to it Quick and made some real nice landings on his last flight.
Here are some pictures for now and I'll post the videos as they become available.
Now for the big secret. Bob is the new owner of the Sboch. He decided that he wanted it before we finished putting it together. He made the first flight with it but I didn't have the camera on. So I didn't get any of his first flight. The second video will be of all Bob flying.
The plane was a little tail heavy and twitchy. I was able to cure the twitchiness with some Expo. Landing was a bear at first. As you will see Bob got used to it Quick and made some real nice landings on his last flight.
Here are some pictures for now and I'll post the videos as they become available.
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