I have to disagree with some of the comments here. First of all Desert Aircraft, while they make a great engine, cannot ask NP or anyone else not to use the initials DA. Good grief, who would be naive enough to think they were getting a Desert Aircraft engine for that price? Secondly, most of us out here in the real world, cannot afford the price of a Desert Aircraft engine for our leisure time activities. Does this mean the rest of us should not be able to fly a gas engine in our aircraft? Of course not. The track record for the DLA and DLE engines has been very positive. I'm not going to question anybody else's choice, but I have heard many Desert Aircraft engines at mid-range blubbering like a newborn baby. Most of the DLE and DLA engines I have seen and heard have been crisp and responsive. I know mine have been.

Now, a word about CMP quality in their ARF's. I have had very good results with what I have purchased. Agreed, the hardware has left something to be desired, but as far as fit and finish, I have been very impressed. I have had at least one of just about everybody's ARF and the quality has all been similar.

I wish I could buy American all the time. I love my country and wish to see us all prosper, however, we have to face the fact that we now live in a global economy. It's tough and it's competive. If I am to be able to enjoy my hobby, I am going to have to spend my money as wisely as possible. I can't always afford the best products, so sometimes I have to purchase the best for the dollar. I think there are many of us now that are forced to do the same.

I bought only one of their planes a few years ago, it was the cessna 182. The hardware was terrible and some of the parts fit was rough but when it was complete it was one of the best looking models i ever owned.That being said,on the first flight flying straight and level the wing tube broke causing a catastphic wing failure.All I was left with was a smoking hole.Engine ruined ,reciever smashed 2 servos destroyed.When I called Nitro to talk about to them about it they didnt want to hear it.They said it was builder error I did something wrong,so no mater how nice their models look Im one and done with them.

I have not bought a Nitro for quite a while but the few I bought (low wing trainers when I was just starting) flew well , but I always went in with lots of CA and reglued everything I could reach and replaced all the hardware. So time in the future I may buy a nice build up P51 from them. I cannot bring myself to by a foamy, I do have the build up,not foamy 40 size Spitefire from Phoenix and have a OS 65AX in it and love it. I going to save a few more bucks and buy Hangar 9 Saratoga to put on floats first before I buy the P51.

LOL! you pretty much nailed it!


Don't forget China has a Socialist Government. The Government owns all factories and controls what they do. Also don't forget that China Government hates the US and they are not our friends.

What they are trying to do, ( and I wouldn't doubt it) is to take all of our money so they can destroy us financially. We did this to Russia back in the mid 80's and helped destroy the communist regime.

China is doing it to us the same way, and they do it not only from our Government borrowing money from them, but from them selling us fake or poor quality products and they are trying to destroy the dollar for the Yen. It's been proven that they manipulate the Yen. What the heck, most of the children toys that come from China have, or have had led paint. They'ed rather kill our kids then sell safe products. IMHO

Let's tell it the way it is. This PC is going to be one of our downfalls in the end if we don't do something about it.

Some products are more regulated from China than others. I doubt that CMP/Nitroplanes has any Quality Control at all. Some people can't help from buying Nitroplanes/CMP products dispite the majority of the warnings we pass on to others. It's like Bugs seeing a bug zapper. The zapper for us is that so called bargain. Never mind the majority including myself that thinks CMP/Nitroplanes is a big rip off.

We have to see the big picture here and tie it all in. So people, should we trade with people that don't like us? I would be very nieve to believe that we should trust them with their goods.


Pete

This is the best, most common sense post I have read in a long time.

Again more misinformation....

CMP and Nitroplanes are not the same company, one is a US reseller and CMP is a Chinese ARF manufacturer.

Exactly HOW MANY CMP planes do you own that you can pretend to speak with so much authority?

I can cite well over 28 that I own. How about you?

I had 3 over the period of 10-11 years in the hobby. If I was smart enough to begin with, I would have bought none of them and would have listened to the majority in here. To prove you are wrong about CMP and Nitroplanes being the same, compare websites. You will find that some of the pictures of the airplanes to be the same. Only the brand has been changed. GMC has less models than Chevy, but they are both GM and one is made a little better than the other using the same models, just different name.

CMP and Nitroplanes ARE from the same factory.

I did a rebuild and modification about 8-9 years ago in RCG called "CMP 70" FW-190 Build Along." Most of them were building the large 70" CMP FW-190 version. I bought the Nitroplanes 70" FW-190 version and it was the very exact same thing. So yes, I write this with quite of bit of knowledge about them. I also know they hardly know any English when you call the California Warehouse, besides that of having poor customer service skills.

Do you work or are you a Dealer for them? You do however work so hard in defending their non-existing honor. I kind of suspect you have something to do with them. It also seems that you mostly own CMP/ Nitroplanes in your collection. Seems kind of strange when they are so many quality ARF's on the market and you only choose them. It all makes sense to me now.


Pete

I actually bought a plane from them and in the box was a QC sticker

There you go! In my Nitroplane FW-190 Box, I had both CMP and Nitroplanes advertising flyers in it. LOL! I forgot about that one. I had the QC sticker in all 3 of mine, but that doesn't mean anything. They were still very poor quality ARF's. As you know I'm sure, anyone can slap a QC sticker on anything.


Pete

Typical chinese manufacturing imo, sell cheap, deliver cheap. They have the ability, but can flood the market, it hurts the hobby is what i think.

Purchased a Edge 540T Arf from them, make's a nice paper-weight with 1 lb of lead on the firewall to balance it. Money wasted and Nitro could care less what they sell you, and the price for shipping is about the most offensive amount charged, lower the price of the ARF and increase the amount on shipping to compensate. hmmmm...sound familiar people...lets take a trip to Walley World..yuk yuk yuk. Nitro.....will never see my business ever again, if I wanted to fly a paper-weight I would have put wings on a rock.

You are very misinformed. I'll make this simple....

CMP Website ===> [link=http://cmpairplane.com/]Click here[/link]

Nitroplane web site -> [link=http://www.nitroplanes.com/]Nitroplanes web site - click here[/link]

Not even remotely the same.

CMP manufactures planes under the "Flying Dream" and "CMP Pro" ( aka CMP ) brand.

Nitroplanes SELLS planes it imports from CMP and other Asian vendors.

CMP -MAKES- planes, some of which Nitroplanes sells.

You will not find a "buy now" or pricing on the CMP web site, and they traceroute back to China.

Nitroplanes is in California and IMPORTS Asian products.

Get it?


Wrong.

Nitroplanes IS NOT a manufacturer, they are a re-seller.

If you go to Best Buy, you can purchase TV's from many Asian manufacturers, but those TV's are NOT "Best Buy" branded TV's, nor manufactured by Best Buy. Get it?


Wrong. And I've been through this myself... Nitroplanes sold a CMP version and a ( believe it or not ) knockoff of the CMP version produced by another Chiniese company called Triones...

See: [link=http://www.trionesmodel.com/]Triones[/link]

I ordered CMP Warbird and received the clone instead, I contacted NP and they sent me out the correct plane ( they let me keep the old one if I absorbed the shipping charges, which I did. )

That is what you received... the TRIONES version.... though very similiar there ARE differences.

If you check out the links I've posted you'll find planes identical to those sold by other U.S. vendors...

e.g. Ak-Models, etc.

Are you going to also tell me that AK-Models and CMP are one and the same too?


That is very true.

Let's see...

1. No I do not work, am not a dealer nor have any affiliation to them.

I could play the same game and imply that maybe you work for a competitor of theirs?

2. I do not"defend their honor", if you bother to look you can find many threads where I've done say a comparison of the Nitroplanes sold Ultimate versus the one sold by World Models ( the latter is better ). I've more than one of both btw.


3. When I've had problems, I've contacted them and patiently dealt with them. Each time I've been more than satisfied with the resolution as they have gone out of their way to correct problems once you contact the right people.

4. You are incorrect in your assumption that I own planes mostly sold by Nitroplanes. I have a lot of them but also equal amounts if not greater from other vendors too.

Don't make assertions and try to imply things that are neither factual nor helpful, it undermines your credibility.

Ok , I am not taking sides , just some clarity for the facts please :
CMP is not NItro planes and let me explane.
CMP =China Model Products -they were distributed in the states by Giant Scale Planes on there first entry into the USA , then they lost there exclsuive right and Nitro planes along with AKM received the rights to distribute CMP .

Nitro planes and the confusion of the name is much more serious then earlie menthioned . At one time the dreaded and worse seller on ebay , RCU and probably the world lol , was ues indeed ( I am going to say it ) RAIDENTECH !!!! They my freinds are one and the same , and they have about 10 ebay names .
With the evolution of epo foam warbirds and the great supplier of FMS now sold by Nitro under the Airfield brand , Nitro has gained a good reputation in eletric forums with a new young staff and the excellant line from FMScalled airfield by Nitro planes .

I wont buy anything nitro related from NItro Planes lol , they are really now getting known in the eletric forums and I dont see them long term in the fuel forums .
There sister company HobbyParts also has a great rep in batterys and e-supplies like the Monster Motors that are copies of the Horison eflight line .

So again not takeing sides and they will swear they are not related to Raidentech but I even caught them in one post sign off as Raidentech (on another RC site ) and when I questioned it my post was removed because they are a major sponsor of the other site .

Opjose you are 100% correct and copies are CMP were also sold by Alex at AK and CMP under another factory release known as FLYModel , they also (NItro ) models picked up closeouts from a factory called Willshobby , that was sold on ebay under the Name NewYork Grace , again one of the worse sellers on ebay in history .
Many of the knock off CMP Planes were ok but not the quality of CMP (and I know useually you dont use CMP and quality in the same line ) but in the later releases of the BF109 and the 71" P40 , the models were very very nice for the money.

For the record anyone in this post with cash can be just like nitro planes , all you need to do is go to the international model show , meet with a major factory, agree contrcatully to the factory MOQs (minimum order quanity) and you will have to exceed that if you care to keep the contract or beat someone that has it . The you set your distributor buiness up , add mark up in customer servace , create a brand name , work on exclusive model and name for your products ect , opps I am very sorry , lol I just described Tower , Horison , Hobby Lobby , Hobby People -ALL IMPORTERS AND USA EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTORS OF THERE OWN PRODUCTS AND OR FACTORY LINE EXCLUSIVES

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Gumbie, give me a break. Desert Aircraft sells their quality engines at a fair price. Of course the people at Desert Aircraft want to get paid a fair wage. I.E. more than $5000 a year that the low end Chinese worker gets. You know if all those terrible USA workers would just work for those wages everything would be cheap. Just one problem. We then couldn't afford even the 'cheap' stuff. Of course the 'jobs makers' could provide us with jobs such as mowing their mansions 100 acres lawns, cleaning their gold plated toilets, washing the windows of one of their $500 million yachts. If only the American workers would get over this American dream thing.

Well, you would not believe the number of planes I have ready to fly and that means lots of batteries.

At first I thought the Rhinos were going to be great but as time has gone on the Rhinos while being two years newer than the Thunderpower and Powerquest batteries have started puffing. My first Powerquests and Thunderpowers slowly started going down in capacity but never started puffing.

A great number of people will tell you how great the batteries are after only have 10 or so flights. Come back after three years and tell me how long they lasted. BTW I do use 80 percent as the no fly minimum.

I have a BIG fire safe box with lots of Turnigys and Rhinos. You can smell that the batteries are leaking acid fumes. I moved my Thunderpowers over to another fire safe box and there is no acid smell. The Chinese are NOT doing a good job of sealing the batteries. I and friends have had a number of Rhinos and Turnigys come in with bad or dead cells.

This does not mean I do not try the batteries but for long term right now I believe the Thunderpower batteries are the best and that you will get the full number of flights.

However, I too have been buying the Turnigy Nanos. I sure hope they last at least as long as the older Thunderpower batteries did and that the ads about them are not just advertising hype.

Nitro Models stop the scam!

several good points ! there not gumbies.

Um. Are we arguing whether a turd is a cow turd or a horse turd? All that really matters is that it is a turd.

LMAO! Good one, exactly!


Pete

An interesting approach, if you can't win an argument, resort to something irrelevant and scatological to establish ( loose ) credibility.

That may work very well for adolescents.

If you actually look at the picture, the ignition box says DL right on it.

I bought batteries from Hobbypartz.com and found my credit statement said "Nitroplanes".

DL is not DA though.

And yes Hobbypartz IS Nitroplanes.

And Hobbico, Tower, Electrifly, etc are all owned by the same company.

John Raiden is the owner of Raidentech Inc, and his companies are Raidentech, Nitroplanes, Xheli, and Hobbypartz.

Exactly! Pretty easy to figure out, not sure why everyone thinks NP is playing games.

So "John" in the support forum is real!