Why am I supporting bottom of the barrel products ? himm lets see , is bottom perceived as 1/5 the cost but proven in the field ? I love the pro american speech to me a person who work for a company that is 100% American yet , everyday I see the lines drawn and people forget "Oh that 60" Flat screen in my living room " oh ya I needed that, my cell phone with touch screen , Oh ya that is differant, my sterio system , opps needed that too , look at the lables and preach to me about loyality .
Walmart customer base is a combined household income of $19,000 , ok $19,000 the person who is the #1 customer of Walmart is the same person who was working in the factory that is not supported by Walmart himmmm go figure , we place personal demand when conveniance over our American loyality and when I am in line at any local mass merchant I cant see the differance in anyones carts of the "Loyality LIne " so please .
You want to buy American , start with your own house , get rid of everything Chinese , but a 10" quality TV made in the USA and dont preach what you may not be practicing .
While we all live a perceived perception of what the USA should be , the same Unions that protected my mom/dad in the sweat shop clothing factories have made the evil American boss noncompetitive in the real world in a time and place when unions are no longer needed .

I do not see where Nitroplanes is posting Desert Aircraft engines. The photo is not a Desert aircraft engine. Also there is a lot of engines that start out with the letter "D" The real problem is peopple are just to LAZY to type the Name Desert Aircraft. All people are guilty of that in all forums. Hey if you got a Desert Aircraft engine and are proud of it...take enough time to spell the name of your precious engine. I got one...there no big deal and most people know that by now. So its is no benifit for NiroPlanes too try to make people think they are selling Desart Aircraft engines. Capt,n

LDM. No one said anything about buying American. I stated that your beloved Nitroplanes company STOLE the cad files from Quique Somenzini and deliberately sold the planes that HE designed and sold. Quique was just an American entrepreneur who loved doing what he did and to a great extent of YOUR favorite plane company, he is now out of business. Nitroplanes is not a very ethical company and will try any method possible to peddle their crap. I will never support them nor anyone who decides to support them.

Again -MORE - misinformation.

See the discussion above about vendors, etc.


NITROPLANES DOES NOT MANUFACTURE - ANYTHING -

They are an IMPORTER, nothing more.

What you are talking about was done by FlyModels ( aka: Triones ).

If you want to revisit that long out of date info, please get things RIGHT and yell at or about the RIGHT people.

Flymodels planes are sold by MANY vendors, including Nitroplanes.

You say that your beloved Nitroplanes company STOLE the cad files from Quique Somenzini and deliberately sold the planes that HE designed and sold.How is this possible for anyone to steall thecad files from anyone unless they was not carefull and released the files for some reason? Kinda hard to understandthis stealing process?????? Capt,n

Like I said, Nitroplanes deliberately SOLD planes knowing they were stolen. Nice way to make business. The "stolen" planes were only available through NP.

QQ didn't go out of business, he went to work for Horizon Hobby designing planes.

You really need to get your facts correct before making accusations like that even if it's only for your own protection.


Alledging or stating things like "deliberately" etc. is a bit dangerous especially since you are SOOOO misinformed.


Flymodels / Triones sold - A - plane based upon that design.

Nitro, Ak and other vendors imported those planes and sold them.

I read that long thread some time ago and it was amusing to see that even when others attempted to corrected the original poster(s) they wouldn't listen.

You must be assuming I don't speak to Quique. Regardless of what you perceive is happening on an internet forum, reality can be quite different. There is a world out there beyond what you read on forums.

This is why rcu is not about the hobby but it more about misinformation . Opjose is 100% correct and please stop with the "nitro your beloved airplane company" see unlike your perception of me I am a business man , no emotion . I will spend my hard earned money on products that provide me with value in my definition of value .
This thread is silly , there is so much misinformation starting with the drama on CMP and Nitro and copied cat brands ect .
IN essence if you buy from Nitro you are sinner for practicing your American earned right of freedom of choice , personally sir I dont care of you dont support them or anyone that buys from them .
I buy from them because in my brief experience they have served me well in price and value as well as Hobby King . Hobby Partz (owned by Nitro ) is even better then Hobby King , the servace and tracking is on par with tower at 1/3 the price .
This is a hobby and we all have choices , we dont need to bash anyone on personal drama that is not fact based , and this entire thread is laced with drama and total misinformation is all based on emotion and not facts .
Again if you want to add value to the RC community you dont start a thread with Avoid nitro , you start a thread and truly attempt to educate the rc community on the potential of a brand knockoff , then what happens is you gain friends who say "thanks for the heads up " and "what is the differance btween the two " can you explane please , that is what rc post are supposed to be , not winey drama bull .

I started a post on retracts in another thread , its over 20 pages on comparing eletric retracts on the brands vs the non brands , I did not start the post by say "Advoid Horison"
I wanted to do a real comparison and so did everyone in the hobby .
There is a reason that every brand has a knockoff and if the knockoff is done in a legal manner then more power to the freedom of choice , so why you keep allowing your emotions into your post , your not doing DA any justice when you should have stated clear but FEATURES -THAT = REAL BENIFITS OF A REAL DZ ENGINE .
Perhaps you dont know what a feature or benifit is , but they are associated with any product and marketing programs that wants to show true differenciation

...and if the knock offs are not done in a legal manner? Such as what we are talking about.

You seem to be assuming that you're the only one who lives in a "real world".

You are also equating the fact you've spoken to QuiQue with your assertions being correct, no matter how erroneous they actually are.

Guess what, I've spoken to Quique too on several occasions! He's a nice guy. Talked to him over breakfast.

None of that changes the fact that Nitroplanes is NOT the manufacturer of the one plane based upon Quique's design. Flymodels/Triones is the Chinese company that copied his design. Flymodels/Triones sells to various importers and vendors.

Flymodels/Triones also copied the BVM King cat too and made a smaller glow version of it that Modelbrau now revamps and sells for turbine use.

Get your fact straight and be careful with accusations. What you INFER is not necessarily reality.

That's why each company hires lawyers ( not people in forums ).... and each company must under law act to protect their own copyright interests.

If they fail to do so, they can loose rights over their own brands and designs.

You keep going in circles thinking that I don't know NP is only a retailer. I know that. THEY DID NOT MAKE THE PLANE.
Quique had a lawyer. It would have cost him way too much money to pursue a Chinese company, and deemed it to be uncontested. Nothing made him file a suite

I think you mean "uncontestable".

You are right that going after Triones/Flymodels would have been too difficult and expensive.

But an injunction against infinging imports may have worked without a lot of expense since it only applies in the U.S.

That is what a lot of U.S. vendors do when their designs are pilfered and knockoffs are sold by Chinese firms.

That also gives the originator a good basis to issue a "cease and desist" orders very effective against importers and vendors of those products.

Too bad Quique didn't persue that.

He did have the last laugh though with his newer association with the "big boy" U.S. retailers.

All I get out of this drama is to stay away from Nitroplanes and Flymodels. All it taught me was these two companies have no ethics. Until I hear from the companies in question via ad or some-such explaining the "drama", I'll take my $'s elsewhere.

Here we go again, confusing one with the other then equating ethics for both.

I guess Skorpion, Venom and other big name "knockoffs", clones and copies should be in the same boat then along with all the U.S. vendors that sell those knockoffs.

That's going to severely restrict your source of RC products since examples can be found at almost every U.S. vendor and hobby shop.

I'll keep my choices open and let the lawyers battle it out.

That is why I love America, we all can have an opinion my friend.

Yup... though I believe that is true everywhere... you just can't always voice opinions safely in certain other countries.

The problem is when someone misrepresents things ( not talking about you ) which leads to the growth of further inflammatory vilification that is unwarranted.

Then there is that wonderfully florid saying about what opinions are like...

Wize choice! The people who defend CMP/Raidentech/Nitroplanes/Flyboymodels (what ever they like to call themselves) so much here at RCUand RCG, if you noticed- they have personal dealings with them if you haven't figured that out yet. Either they are Dealers or Product Testers pushing out a product for them, then coming in here telling everyone that they are good or fantastic product and that we are the ones mis-informing people.


Just look at some of the profiles and look what models they have in their hangers if you doubt me. One guy has nothing but CMP/Raidentech/Nitroplanes/Flyboymodels doing most of the defending in here. Another one that's defending Nitroplanes has just removed them from his hanger just recently.

Beware, I suspect they are CMP/Raidentech/Nitroplanes/Flyboymodels Lobbyists more so than anything else.



Pete

It doesn't appear that Quique Somenzini is out of bussiness.
ALLFLIGHT.co.uk is a European Distributor for QUIQUE AIRCRAFT CO. planes. http://www.alebproducts.com/products.php?cat=4
The 69 in. QQ YAK-54 is priced at $458.96 ?! Good Grief!
It sure was a great bargain at $199 from Nitro Planes.

Pete lol, I have 7 CMP planes and I am 6 figure VP in a food consumable company , nothing to do with RC ( I only wish I was paid by them or any of them lol ).
I am also a consultant , again consumer goods all edible , so I dont know if you are reffering to me , by I do have CMP planes in my hanger and Top Flight, Pica , FMS , Starmax,
willshobby , Blackhorse ect , I dont know so much speculation on who we work for when we simply happen to like a company .
Why is everything mystery ? I have no problem saying 1) I like CMP planes 2) I have 7 of them 3) I will never buy another one because now ESM that use to be called KMP and cost $200 more thru Andrew is now priced too close to CMP , so if I buy an ARF larger fuel bird it will be ESM . OH well , there goes my CMP /Nitro planes paycheck , but hey now i am on ESM paycheck so all is good .
Look I have been on RCU for over 10 years , love the site for info , learning , and really getting handle on who does what , how to do it and the distribution side of the business .
Pete you and I go back and I consider you an on-line friend , but I also know that you had extreme frustration with your CMP/Flymodels FW190 (dont remember )if you had the CMP or the knockoff , but you told me and others that you threw your model out because the contro horn screws were not long enought to get thru the tail .
Ok , these and other minor issues are not only a problem of the supplier but they are a problem of not being ready to handle a plane that is not an ARF .
Half the problems described in early threads on CMP , Fly MOdels , WIllshobby , and all the other names are a result of inexperinece in the builder/purchaser and the supplier , but with experience they are easily overcome and you can have a great model .That again is why we are on rcu in the first place , help , learn and listen and you can overcome an rc problem .
In reality I dont know what nitro did with DA , but I do know that 90 of the warbirds we love , fly and built are not official legally registered copies with approval from the master airplane company such as the P40 , Hellcat , P51 , P39 , how many times have you seen "a registered trade make on a model , I know there is some but often .Because it requires a licensed contract , royality fee and performance criteria all of the things that add cost and most modelers would not pay .
So is that ok ? do we draw the line in certain areas and not others ?
So when we can copy a P51 , did we pay royality ? see the insanity lol , oh but that is ok ?
let be real , as stated earlier if I had a beef with nitro , you would know it , I bought from them and on more the one occoasion with great servace .
As far as there old name "raidentech well they sucked , worse internet rc company in the world , but they changed and have cleaned up there servace and performance .
If there is a leagal brand trademark issues , well as stated that is not my issue as a consumer .

LDM,

That seems to be a fairly standard procedure around here, I too have been accused of getting kickbacks for simply saying I use something, or mine works fine, or whatever.

It boils down to my own experience, I don't care what someone else experiences with a company or product. I make my own decisions based solely on my own judgement and experience. Some people don't like that, they feel their opinions should be highly valued by others, who don't know them from Adam.

It is not my job or responsibility to police the industry or any company within it.

Pete, I have commented in threads about Nitro Planes aircraft. Yes I have said good things about them. I have recommended some of the planes too. I have been pleased with what I received.

So when you give a blanket statement saying those the defend Nitro Planes are either dealers or testers is not correct. You know nothing about me, yet you lump me in a mass of people who YOU think are paid to post good things about NP.

If you have a problem with specific people, post names and do not put me in that group unless you have proof I am paid by them.


It is no real concern to me about who sells the products I want. I will try a store once, if I am happy I will go back. If there is a problem, it is how it is handle that concerns me. If it handled poorly, I will spend my money some other place. I buy from a lot of shop in my home town and all over the net.


Buzz.