Hay all you giant scale guys:
This is going to be my first step into the arena of giant large airplanes. I don't want to go to gas at this point. Got my reasons.
I want to know if my choices are going to acquit for this application.
The plane, motor, and control surface servos and specs to be pictured below.

Heres thanking you guys up front for your opinions.
Miloh.

The 78" span 1/4 scale Edge

HS-645MG Torq Metal Gear Futaba J
SPECS: Speed: 0.24 sec/60 degrees at 4.8v 0.20 sec/60 degrees at 6.0v Torque: 106.93 oz/in at 4.8v (7.7kg/cm) 133.31 oz/in at 6.0v (9.6kg/cm) Length: 1.59!QUOT! (40.6mm) Width: 0.77!QUOT! (19.8mm) Height: 1.48!QUOT! (37.8mm) Weight: 2.11oz (60g)

MDS 1.48 2 stroke.
Cubic Inch 1.48
Bore 35.0 mm
Stroke 29.7 mm
H.P. 3.5
RPM Range 2500 - 14000
Crankshaft 5/16!QUOT! x 24

Oh and BTW all of this can be had for $748.99 + tax and S/H

Miloh.

ALL OF IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME AND YOU WON'T NEED GAS. I'VE GOT A SAITO 1.80 ON MINE AND SHE'S A PLENTY. I THINK YOUR CHOICE OF SERVOS ARE PROBABLY OVERKILL THOUGH UNLESS YOU PLAN TO 3-D ALOT. I USED DUAL ELEVATOR SERVOS ON MINE (HOBBICO CS-65) AND THE SAME ON MY AILERONS. THE ONLY HI-TORQUE SERVO ON MINE IS ON THE RUDDER (HOBBICO CS-70) AND THEY ALL SEEM TO BE MORE THAN ADEQUATE FOR EVERYDAY SPORT FLYING. I DON'T DO ANY 3-D FLYING SO ALL OF MY GIANT SCALE PLANES ARE USING THE EXACT SAME SETUP. FROM MY TEXAS HURRICANE WITH A G-38 TO MY ULTRA STICK 120 WITH A SUPERTIGRE 3000. AND THEY COST A LOT LESS THAN HIGH PRICED DIGITAL OR HI-TORQUE SERVOS. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION AND EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN PREFERENCES. HOPE THIS HELPS!

Good plane.

Good Servo. I have several of them.

You may want to consider the next size up on the motor, I think its the 218, and I think the price would be about the same.

I fly mine, actually its a scratch built version of one, with the Moki 180. Mine came in at 14 lbs, has unlimited verticle.

I like the power.

tonyc

Miloh:

You would be wise to do an RCU search for info on your choices. Both the airplane and the engine have had serious problems reported here in the past.

I personnally destroyed a H9 Edge/MDS 148 due to engine failure at low altitude followed by violent tip stall/spin. And it had the new wing and the new carb!

Jim

PS: A lanier Edge, OS 160 and HS 605s would be a much better choice for about the same money.

Thanks Bipelover:
The servo thing is new to me for this size bird, I have no desire to spend more than needed just didn't want to go to light. I have a bag full of futaba 3004's are these to light? I do not do 3D but I do get a little crazy with snaps and spins from time to time so I was thinking I might need more than plastic gears. Do the CS 65 and CS 70 have metal gears or do I need them? "metal gears"

jfr:
I'm not dead set on the motor, I will investigate the OS 1.60. as far as the lanier I have no experience with them but have heard on these forums that their Customer service might be less than desireable but this could be an isolated incident. I will take you advise and do some more research.
I was dead set on a Dave Patrick 300 but after what I read on it I started to look for somthing else.
With the right engine what are your experiences with the H9 edge? I have had several of their planes and they seem to be better than some and not as good as others.

This post is about getting what I want the first time around so we are on the right track so far.

Thanks very much guys.
Miloh.

tonyc:

I had questions about the size of this motor but 3.5 HP is quite stout I thought.
Price is not the determining factor quality is and there are several in our club "MDS" and they seem to be up to par but the largest I'v seen is the .68
What are your experiences with yours.

Thanks, Miloh.

Miloh good choice on plane but skip the MDS. I would go with a OS 1.60 or Saito 180. You will be able to swing a bigger prop with that motor as well.


good luck

I have no experience with the MDS

The OS 160 is a great motor, and so is the Saito 180.

The MDS will have very poor resale value compared to the OS or the Saito.
I read a test report on the MDS and the report was good.

For My money I would go with Moki, OS, Saito, in that order. I have had the Saito and I know its a power house. I have had OS, not the 160 but other OS motors, and they are great motors. I now fly Moki and I like the Moki.

tonyc

Diablokid:
After some research I find that the H9 edge is discontinued, So I think at this point I'm going to the Lanier 1,20 edge. It also has 2 piece foam wing, I LIKE!! the wing span is shorter than I wanted tho.
As for the motors the OS 1.60 is rated at 3.7 HP and the Saito is rated with 2.8, being 4 stroke is the torque compensation enough to overcome the lack of HP? and the price is around $100.oo more than the OS.

Bipelover:
The CS65 and CS70 are actually $3.00 more than the HS metal gear servo??
Go figure that one. I have a price of $47.00 on these CS servos if you have a better scorce I would greatly appreciate the info.

jfr:
Thanks for the lead on Lainer, I'm very partial to foam wings and didn't like the idea of the H9 built up wing. I have been known to drop a wing before and I know foam wings hold up a lot better.

Thanks again guys:
BETTER IDEAS!!!! I'm still listening

Miloh.

I have heard many bad things about that plane's tendancies. I think I would look at the new Great Planes Gene Soucey (sp?) 1.60 size extra.

P-51B:

Are you refering to the H9 or the Lainer?

Where can I find info on the GP 1.60 edge??

Miloh.

Thanks Tonyc:

The only thing about the Moki is the price. is it worth the difference? I want a good motor of course. one the thing that puzzles me and I'm sure it's only me but I have never questioned resale values on model motors. I have every one I've ever bought and never thought about selling one.
I guess I could sell some of them to help fund this project LOL!!!!

Miloh.

The GP plane is an Extra 300, not an Edge.

http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1365.html

I'd reconsider the MDS. Its an inexpensive engine, but there have been lots of problems reported (bad carbs, air leaks, metal swarf in crankcases, etc.). Supposedly the QC has improved, but who wants to chance it?

visioneer_one:

I see that now, thanks for the input. do you know where to see an independant review on that plane?
I'm really not intrested in an extra right now as I have the VF 66inch version but I guess my mind could be changed for the right plane.

Thanks, Miloh.

The Lanier planes are very nice from what I hear but build heavy. You might want to take a hard look at the new Wild Hare ARF. At 399.00 intro price It is probably a better plane and just a tad bigger then the H-9.

As to the Saito 1.80 hp issue, Torque is what pulls an airplane through the air, not hp. Check out the specs on a diesel engine sometime. Not trying to be condescending in the least but the Saito is WAY more powerful then the OS 1.60. "Course it is much thirstier too and it also likes high Nitro content fuels. Drinks about 1.5 oz of 30% heli per minute doing extreme 3D but man does it sound good doing it.

Thanks cstevec:
This is as I suspected on the Saito. does anybody know the weight of thrust this motor provides"Saito 1.80"?
Now off to see the Wild Hare site, hope it's an Edge as you did not say.

Thanks for your input, Miloh.

Its only been out for a short while. Keep your eyes peeled on the ARF forum - I'm sure someone will write something about it sooner or later.

I've one of these on order. Last time I talked with Tom he mentioned that the inital shipment was about sold out. That was on 15-Oct...

cstevec:

The Wild Hare 300 is actually quite a bit bigger at 84 inches and 17lbs. also it requires a 50cc gas motor.
Do you think it will fly good with a 1.80 Saito or maybe a 2.10 moki?? I do want to stay with a glow engine and around 10 to say 12 puunds or so.
Thanks for your input and I do plan to go up to gas at some point it's only natural I guess but not yet for me.

Thanks, Miloh.

cstevec:
I must apoligise!! after going back to the Wild Hare website and paying more attention I see that the weight of 17 lbs is an all up weight with the g62 mounted and they do suggest it will fly with thw moki 2.10 glow engine.
I just had to run back and clearify, Now back to Wild Hare to do more investigation.

Thanks for the lead, Miloh.

TO EVERYONE:

Just incase you are thinking about the Wild Hare Edge: They are expecting a shipment in around Thanksgiving and they are all sold. the next available shipment will not be in untill March of next year and they are taking orders for that shipment now.
GET IN LINE NOW!!!!! LOL.

Miloh.

I was referring to the H-9 you had in your post.

The GP 1.60 is and extra, not an edge, as someone already pointed out. The information is on the GP site. The plane is just coming out, so no reviews yet that I know of, but based on the recent GP arf offerings, I think it is worth a look for the size range you are looking at.

Thanks P51B

Miloh.

You may use an Irvine 1.50 on the front.. nicer engine in its class.. and looks good too

I know I'm going to catch it for this .............BUT............. I like the ST 3250 better than the OS1.60. It's only $229 and swings a 20*10 Power Point prop at 7,700. I also like the radial mount that comes with it. It's easy and gives you plenty of room around the motor.

Later David