The landing gear block ripped out of mine, some epoxy should prevent this from happening.
I was happy with a Saito 72 in mine, a 91 will be plenty. I recommend a APC 14x6 prop for your 91.

Have fun

Has anyone found a combo that will make this plane hover? Also, what is the average flight time of the Saito .82 builds?

Jon

Merry Christmas to all. To anyone flying this plane I found a must for it!!! KREGG from www.wrightrc.com
sent me the 3-d cockpit for my CAP and all I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!![8D]
To all of the venders out there take note from this man. I ask about it on friday and he sent it out on monday on the HONOR system and I got it yesterday. The thing is AWSOME and a must for this airplane. I just cant thanks KREGG enough for doing this. going to his web site he has allot of other cockpits for other planes also. I can tell you I will have allot of his products in my planes from here on out.
KUDO's to you KREGG.

Randy

Hi

How are you guys doing. I hate to admit but im not all that mechanically inclined. I have been flying R/C for just about 5 years know. I knew this plane would be different becuase it has two things that i never done before, a cowled engine and wheel pants. Not suprisingly enough i have a problem with my wheel pants.

When mounting the wheel pants the picture shows putting the spacer, wheel and then the wheel colar on. My question is does the spacer acutally fit in the hole in the landing gear or does it slide onto the axle. I tried to do it the way the picture showed and their ends up being a space in between the wheel pant and the landing gear holes (wholes used to mount wheel pant), therefore the screws are two short if with the supplied washers. I guess you could say my question is when you put the axle on are only the threads and the locknut showing on the other side or is the actual non threaded portion of the axle showing. I hope this is not to confusing and i am probably the only person that has expierenced this problem.

Also has anybody notice that allen head screws are not of typical size. Personally myslef i had to go buy a wrench for this arf even with all of the tools that i have.

Has anybody set the Cap up for a pull-pull rudder to give it more authority. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks Scott

The spacer slides onto the axle, then the wheel, then the collar. So the axle thread goes through the gear hole, and the nut is screwed on from behind. Then slide spacer over axle followed by wheel. My pants have a large semi-circular hole on the gear side so they can clear the axle/spacer assembly. Hope that helps.

I know it is quite a bit heavier than the engines mentioned in this post but does anyone know if a Zenoah 20cc will fit in the cowl. The specs on the Zenoah says it is the only gasser that will fit the 60 size cowls. I have ordered the plane but I am still deciding on my engine choice. If the Zenoah won't work I'll go with the YS 63s.


One Truth

HI

How are you guys doing. Just out of curiousity has anybody that is running a Saito engine mounted sideways noticed that you have to use a throttle "cable" instead of the supplied pushrod. This is due to the throttle arm location on the firewall.

Also are you guys using digital ball bearing servos or just standard stuff.

Thanks Scott

Why is this thread so long?
Can somebody summarizes what has been so far, it is really painful to go back through history :P

In fact, this model attracts me and I am thinking of getting it as my third plane.
What engine do you recommend, I have a spare 46AX. Is it too weak?


I am more into pattern flying and precise acrobatics, I don't know if this will help me, but I don't want to go into pure pattern ships for now

This plane seems quite popular with everyone but me. If you read all the post you will find it has nose over tendencies out of the box(requires full up while taxing and be real careful in grass) Also it does land pretty hot. With a larger engine it has a high wing loading. Mine had Surpass 91 and landed very fast. If you try to slow it down to much it will tip stall. Also mine had the infamous "cap snap", were it snaps out of a loop if I put in more than half elevator. I seemed to be the only person here that has had that problem even though I balanced it laterally, made sure the elevator halves were in sync, moved the CG forward and aft, all to no avail. I will try when it warms up outside with a .46 size 2-stroke just for the fun of it to see if it will land slower.

That said, it is a very well built ARF. It goes together great. I used only the hardware supplied(many people recommend several upgrades). It will really let you toss it around in sky. Rolls on high rates are hard to count, very fast. It goes were you tell but it seemed like I had to tell it alot to get it there I would think if pattern is you interest, this might not be the plane for you. However, if you have never flown this style of plane, you may find yourself enjoying it evenmore.
If you have the extra money to afford being dissapointed, go for it!! You will always wonder if you don't. If you only really can budget one plane, maybe research more options.

Good luck to you!!!

Bovan,

"Also mine had the infamous "cap snap", were it snaps out of a loop if I put in more than half elevator. I seemed to be the only person here that has had that problem even though I balanced it laterally, made sure the elevator halves were in sync, moved the CG forward and aft, all to no avail."

I had a problem with snaping on a couple different airplanes including this one. I remedied the problem by pushing BOTH ailerons up a 1/16" or so. This allows the wingtip to stall before the root. It worked on my CG Extra and the Matt Chapman Cap 580. Give it a try, I'm sure it will work for you also.

I'm fly this airplane with a YS63 and its a great airplane.

I'll be darned!!! I looked and asked for answers on this post and didn't get anything that worked. I'll have to unstrap her from the ceiling and give that a try. If it works, I'll be just tickled!!

Thanks alot!!

Also, check your elevator throws. As with any Cap, too much elevator throw will cause a snap. The elevators are very powerful. Try changing them to 3/8 inch for both directions on low rates. The snappiness will go away

Bovan,

I learned this technique from a good friend while trying to get a couple of warbird kits to fly better. They all tended to stall at the root of the wing prior to the tip. The sure way to tell if it is stalling at the root is that the plane will drop 3 to 5 lengths before recovery is possible and control is regained. While if it tip stalls first recovery is usually less then 2 lengths. It won't take much up aileron so work in up aileron slowly and evenly. I now do tnis on almost all of my airplanes. Let me know how it goes.

Good Luck

I had all but given up on this bird, but thanks to new and fresh tips I have a renewed interest to try this pig out. Weather is horrible here though. It's currently -10F with a west wind blowing 10mph. This puts the windchill at -29F[:'(][&o]. Feels like spring will never come, but I'll have the splat ball bird ready for even a mild day.

Thanks for all the new tips and advice. There might be hope yet.
Anyone here from Steve Campbell lately?

You rang, sir?

I haven't been on RCU much at all in the past several months; been deep into my other hobby.

But today is forecast for perfect flying conditions, so I took the day off and will meet up with a couple pals to burn some gas. I guess I still remember how to fly...

My little CAP is hanging on the wall, ready to fly. It hasn't been out in many months; what little modelling activity I've done lately has centered around fine-tuning my gasser. But my "splat ball bird" (love that one! ) has earned a permanent place in the "hangar".

The gassers are so much less hassle than glow birds, though. My next "project" is a GP Patty. I finally got the BME 50 singing, and after 18 months on the H9 Extra I'm ready for another airframe.

But the little CAP is a great "beater" plane. I certainly hope you get yours sorted out. I cannot imagine (past what I already suggested) what is causing yours to snap. Like Bubba said, recheck your elevator throws. And reflexing the ailerons may do the trick.

Good luck...

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Here's mine, looking unhappy... she wants to fly!

Kinda wish now I had charged it last night...

Ya know, when their is a guy around that seems to know what he's talking about, and is willing to help total strangers out, just disapears, it makes you wonderwhat happened.

Good to see your still around.

Who know's it might just work. nt57tc had luck with this
plane doing it. If not I'm only out a little time in the hobby room. Darn huh? There just has to be a way to get it out if they're not notorious for it.

I have been following this thread for a while now and have bought one of these 580"s because of all the positive information . I have it all ready to fly with a Saito 72 for power ( Not going for 3-D ) just a good flying acro that will tumble . LOL ! Now about the SNAP CAP problem that I am reading about . I have been flying modles lets just say for a while now ( too many years with Not enough improvement to brag about ) LOL. I have had a few modles that would snap if as has been said in this thread ,because the elevator had TOO much throw , this includes My 35% Carden Cap 232 . So what I have done to over come this problem is set my LOW rates up by flying the plane level at a moderat speed at a High altitude , then abruptly pulling UP ELEVATOR if the plane SNAPPED I landed Reduced the throw on the low rate and tried it again until it QUIT SNAPPING with full up on LOW RATE . Now this this becomes my safty rate . I can now set my HIGH RATE to Tumble ,SNAP ,FLIP What ever out of control thing I want to do , but when Things go wrong I switch BACK TO LOW RATE and know that I can pull FULL UP elevator knowing that the plane Will NOT SNAP trying to recover from Pulling TOO much elevator then Snapping in to the GROUND . If it goes into the ground with Full Up LOW RATE without snapping then I would NOT have been able to save it with MORE ELEVATOR anyway ! I hope that makes sense to you guys , I know it works for me . Try it - You'll LIKE IT .

To all of the Saito flyers: After reading this entire thread I have mixed feelings on what engine to buy and their pricing doesn't help me much since they are so close in comparison to each other. I'm considering the 82, 91 and 100. I don't want to take away from the agility of the plane by installing an engine with more weight than necessary while also wanting the ability to pull out of a hover with authority. I know the 580 is not the ideal hoverer but I'm going to try anyway. SO, I think the 82 may do the job but I'd also like to know what affect the 91 and 100 has on the flight performance because I'd like to have the ability to use the engine in another airframe if I have to and the other airframes I'm interested in need 91's and bigger. Also, what muffler or exhaust setup are you using to keep the cowl intact? I'm leaning toward an inverted install but the original exhaust looks like it would have to exit through the side of the cowl? To sum it up, I need enough power to pull out of a hover with authority, engine mounting options and exhaust options. I bought my 580 today so now all I have to decide on is the engine.[>:] Help me out please.

Jon

I was wondering whether anyone has had problems with the covering of this model - I bought one a few weeks ago and quite honestly, it is very poorly covered - very loose with many wrinkles and very hard to re-shrink with all the colour trim. I feel the model would have been much better if the 'paint splats' and white target bands had been supplied separately rather than in place. There are 5 layers of covering in some places!

David Smith, Koria, Finland

Covering was fine on mine. Very slight wrinkles that came right out!!

Just unlucky, then, I guess. The kit might have been on the shop's shelf for some time, not a great turnover of models over here.

Hi

How are you guys doing.

Jim Obrien.

I am running a Saito 91 and iam still in the building process of my cap. To be honest with you this is my first time building a plane with a cowl and wheel pants. Anyways i mounted my Saito sideways. I ended up making one big opening for the heads and the glow driver altogether. I actually could have made to nice clean openings but i opted to make one large opening because i messed the opening for my glow driver up. I also had to make a cutout on the bottom for the muffler. I was considering using a Pitts Syle Muffler but they are a little bit pricey for me.

Also as far as the covering is concerned i too had a decent amount of wrinkles in my covering but they came out very easly with the heat gun.

What kind of servos is everybody using digital ball bearing stuff or just regular servos.

Thanks Scott

i am putting an os90 fs on mine and am putting it inverted and am using standard servos. my covering was a little wrinkled but I am having more of a problem with the splat covering coming off in quite a few places.

I have a Saito .82 lined up for mine, but progress is slow as I am finding the covering such hard going - and I'm certainly no newbie, been building and flying for over 35 years now! If it flies as well as claimed, I will probably re-cover it before to long.