RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I think the guys are simply angry that Dave seems to have cut the chord and stopped all communication with the folks who have dealt with him and held him in high regard as a respected modeler and provider of quality model aircraft. If Dave's planes were junk I doubt you'd hear half of the venom these guys are spitting at him. Personally, I have no ties or interest in the company as I've learned all this after the fact. Therefore I've never ordered a kit from him as I know better. There are guys out there furious that their orders have not been filled and there is no valid explaination as to why. Compound that with the fact that he is now writing a column (well, he's capable of writing or typing, anyway - just not his website or emails) and you're going to see some angry faces.
I have heard it said from older fellow modelers that in his day, Dave was the best around and a real scale freak. I admire that...I truly do. I just wonder what happened? 'nuff said.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I agree with CJ, you'll notice in my last post I didn't bash only gave an opinion on the comparison of the similarity in the design. I started this thread way back when the DPM cub first came out and am not happy with the way it has turned out. This was meant to be a learning/sharing forum. I may have mentioned in an earlier post many of you are used to dealing with large companys and their products, this supplier is a one man operation dealing with oversea builders and no doubt problems we can't imagine. I've seen too many forums on bashing, lets not continue it here.

Bud
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RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Capt jim Must be a relitive of DP or never felt the fustration of dealing with him John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

If he can write colums he can do a simple web site update, thats all we want..........just say yes or no.............he owes that or he should pull his web site.....or refuse orders. This is not bashing..........and he's doing great damage to his business. But yet he has the effort to do magazine work but no simple sentence on his orders. I thought maybe there were health issues but writing articles kinda solves that.
IF HE TAKES THE ORDER HE OWE'S AN EXPLANATION! IT'S THAT SIMPLE no one is saying the product is bad........just where and when.........a very simple question.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Well said. It's not fair to string people along. If anything, that's 'mean spirited'.

Capt. Jim: with all due respect, I see your side and the need to defend the defenceless. But think about what you said, please. Don't want to start a hassle...just want to bring some things to light on behalf of these guys that seemed to have been taken bt DPM. You said "walk a mile in his shoes". How about if Dave walks a mile in the shoes of an angry customer waiting for his order because he loves and respects DPM's productline? Who's walking in their shoes? From every angle I can see, it seems Dave or DPM or whoever is running the operation simply does not care.
Generally speaking, people won't 'bash' anyone unless you give them a reason, isn't that true? Anyway, I think we've made our point here.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

IT seems odd to me that the new hanger9 1/4 scale cub has a lot in common with dpm cub, and as I understand he has had a problem with the china manufacture. I miss the the models alot, thet were quality.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

It looks like Hangar 9 is poised to take advantage of the situation of DPM not providing kits or service. If their new 1/4 Cub is as nice as it looks like it's gonna be, then that probably will be the nail in the coffin for the DPM cub. Just my opinion.-Mike O

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I think this has been in the making for a while for Hangar 9 and now the new cub has finally surfaced. The timing happens to be good to take advantage of a market that loves quality ARF cubs while DPM is taking a tumble. Hangar 9 has always had cubs of some sort. Now, speculation only here so don't hollar if I'm wrong, but I think H9 would have always kept a 1/4 scale on the product lineup but they probably had trouble keeping foreign manufactuters. Could it be they struck a deal with DPM's manufacturer? I think it's possible.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Dave patrick is a loooser. He and his secretary kept stringing me along .Would never give anybody a straight answer .I would never buy anything from him or read any article by him .Any one who employs him I would not support.It would have been very easy for him just to change his web sight telling his situation.But he felt he didnt owe anyone an answer .Well good bye DP.I will send my money to hanger 9 and if you want to take up for a looser and what does that say about you. John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I guess my post #977 didn't get through.....why don't you bashers start your own thread about your opinions on DPM. I do believe the point has been made several times over. Leave this thread for future talk about the cub if production starts again. I do not know Dave and have never met the man, just don't like seeing people get hammered from people who only guess what his problems are.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Why dont you start a new thread .And let us state our view.Maybe I dont know his situation but I do know if he is promising something he at least owes an answer as to why he cant deliver what he keeps promising .Wake and smell the coffee BUD !!! John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

John,
Are you suggesting I start a new thread? I'm the one who started this thread. Why don't you start a new thread as suggested and state your views there. Better still...mail him and state your views to the source. I'm not one to get in on bashing with anyone so I've said my piece...if the moderator chooses to shut this thread down due to bashing a lot of good cub info will be lost but at this point it won't bother me. So much for the brotherhood of modeling.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud
That is the point .I have mailed him .Just like everyone else he does not have the nads to answer anyone.And with people taking up for him he has no reason to.So if you want to support him thats your business.I dont have to put up with it though.LATER . JOHN

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I looked up 'bashing' on Wikipedia and found this definition: BASHING: THE PEJORATIVE BASHING IMPLIES TO EXCESSIVE OR UNWARRANTED CRITICISM ON A SUBJECT, GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL. Is the criticism of one not keeping his promise to others while taking their money really unwarranted? Really? So it's alright to send your money to a company with the promise of receiving parts and service, get neither, and then say " well, I don't know their circumstances, I should walk a mile in their shoes, not bash them" .
Bud, You probably ( I'm assuming) that you ordered a Cub from DPM, received it and are now talking tech stuff with others that got service. THESE GUYS GOT NO SERVICE and I'd be surprised if they ever do at this point. I'm sure they'd love to be talking the tech stuff with you if they only had a cub to talk to you about with. That's the point....no cub, no service, nothing. That's not really bashing...I've only heard stern warnings not to deal with this company due to non existant service. Starting to get it now? When you take a man's money from him it's hard to keep it friendly.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Regardless, there's no reason to post here and call anyone in the industry a "looser" and other harsh comments. I do have the cub and if you go to page one of this thread you'll see my excitement. I too would like to have the clipped wing version that may or may not come back. I also have an order in with another company that was placed two months ago but i'm not bashing/banging on/hammering or calling them names because I haven't gotten a response from them after mailing them and the item was already paid for. None of you have lost any money here since you do not get billed until shipping so what's the problem? Apparently some of you haven't read the rules for posting on rcu. I'm not taking up for the man, I'm taking up for a thread I thought would be a good place to pick each others brain on a super cub,not one that would bring comments about anyone like "looser".

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud
I agree with you. Let this thread be an info exchange for those that are interested, and let the guys with an axe to grind start their own thread to vent in. Its all a matter of what fits where, not who thinks DPM is faulty and why he should be shuned and whose side you are on

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hi farmerric, flying? I do believe spring has finally sprung!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

You guys crack me up:)..............my dad can beat up your dad...........this is my thread and if you don't play nice I'm gonna take it and go home........gimme a break...

And the correct spelling is "loser"........not "looser"............and it has been reported widely that Dave Patrick said, " if I look like a duck, and I quack like a duck, I are one....

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

The "looser" comment was totally uncalled for and that makes this matter get personal. We don't need that here. John is just venting anger but name-calling is inappropriate on this or any thread. For all we know, Dave may be in a full body cast in the hospital laid up in bed and writing his article by plucking one key at a time with his one good finger.
Bud, I think everyone's attitude would change and do a 180 turnaround if the company would just make some announcement about what's going on instead of wishing us a Happy Thanksgiving 2006. I think we would all love to love Dave again for all that he's done in the industry for us as modelers but there's not much to love right now, only angry faces in the crowd. I for one am sorry we've chosen this thread that you started to vent. It's probably like, since we're on the subject here of Dave Patrick and his cub, why go anywhere else? Let's tell it like it is right here...right or wrong....this is how we feel. I hope all this changes someday and this is behind us.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Ha! Looks like some hunters around here would like a piece of the duck!! Ha, ha.:D

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

He could have posted some kind of announcement on his website and there must be reasons why he didn't. He could be tied up in litigation with a gag order for all we know. Not for us to judge. As far as putting this behind us.......someday could be today since most seem to have had their soapbox moment.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Not gonna beat a dead horse. Our points have been made. Adding anything else is just steam.

Soooo. Bud and you other cub lovers: You may have seen the closeup gallery of the new cub on Horizon's website and if so, how does it compare to your DPM cub? Exact looking? Close? Horizon says theirs has a tubular frame like the real thing. In all my years of arfing, I've never seen anything like this before. I'm just curious if this is the same overseas manufacturer or is this a copycat version of Dave's cub?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

just one last tap on the drum the h9 cub is a 10 but i think we need a and want a p-18 full wing by dp thanks to all , frank99

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I'm impressed with the pictures of the new J3 but can't say if it's a copycat. The fittings and gear appear to be identical to the DPM super cub. Of course the J3 and the PA18 had different outlines. The fillet at the tail appears to be like the DPM cub also. I think if your a cub lover this will be a hot seller, I especially like the gas version. I've always been a builder and only have three arf's. H9 has come a long way since I bought my first cub from them.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hi Frank99, you finally got one didn't you?