DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A .60 SIZE TRAINER WITH A 69 IN. OR MORE WINGSPAN? HOBBICO HAS DISCONTINUED THEIR HOBBISTAR 60 AND SUPERSTAR60. ANY IDEAS?

The Global RightFlyer 60 is the same model as the Hobbistar .60. Thunder Tiger makes a flat bottem .60 sized trainer also.

Great Planes PT-60 will fit your bill. I learned on one and it was great.

You can go here http://keblair.home.attbi.com/slide_show.htm and here http://keblair.home.attbi.com/pt60.htm to see what mine looked like.

The Sig LT-40 has a 70 inch span, and I have seen people put 60's in them. I have a OS 46FX in mine and it flies pretty good even at 5600 feet in elevation. I imagine the .60 in the plane would fly even better.

FW

Get an LT40. Its a 60 size trainer that will fly on a 40, fly great on a 46 and will knife edge across the field with a 60. I could hang on the prop at 1/2 throttle with a FX 40 and then throttle up and start climbing. With its 900 sq. in. wing it turns into a big slow glider if your engine quits and is easy to get it back to the runway. The plane even comes as an ARF if you don't have time to build. The ground handlying is also more stable than other trainers because of the wide stance. What more do you want for a trainer?

mweathers,
Have a little fun, build the Four Star 60. It's an easy build and flies like a trainer and it's big.
Good luck

Come on now RC Sport! Sure the 4* will land really slow. Before landing though he plane is very fast, very responsive and aerobatic. A few(very few) new flyers may catch on the one of these quick enough to use it for a trainer but most will be having the bird doing fast rolling circles as the plane screams across the sky and not know how to stop it! The plane would be great fun for us with a small calloused circle under each thumb, but I wouldn't want to try training someone on it!

It isn't that bad if you have a good instructor. I trained on a Sig Fazer, which is even more nimble than the big 4*. Not that I'd recommend it for everybody, but if the instructor has confidence, and the student has some decent reflexes and maybe a little flight sim time, it definately can be done.

Tim

Come on Fast, you ever fly a 4*? It's as docile as a kitten, if you only put a 60 in it. I had one and my Avistar was faster on a fly by. The only tricky part was when I first was taxing it around. That plane almost flew itself not to mention building it was a big confidence booster. Let the guy live a little.

Actually the fact that Hobbico has discontinued all of their sticky-backed covered ARFs is an enormously good thing. I've got a Kyosho P-51D ARF with this type of covering and it absolutely SUCKS! If you puncture your only repair remedy is packing tape, it's very weak compared to any iron on covering including the lightweights like TowerKote, the seams come undone, and when it sags heat don't shrink it. I'm counting the days before I rip all the covering off and cover the entire plane with some real iron on covering.

As for 60 sized trainers, take a look at Sig's new Kadet Senior ARF or World Model's Super Frontier Senior.

To quote "and the student has some decent reflexes and maybe a little flight sim time, it definately can be done." Yes I have flown a 4*. It is pretty tame if you have experience. If you don't, the planses response and speed is too much for most beginners. I have students that are doing well on an LT40. I tried them on my LT25 because it is fun to fly but the planes quicker response was just too much for them and I had to continually take back control. The response on a 4* is even quicker unless you have the throws cut way back. From what I have seen anyone can learn on an LT40. It may become boring to some students shortly after they earn their wings but at least they can learn the basics on it. Fast!

The throws can and should be cut way back. There's a lot more control surface area on a 4* than on an LT-40 or other trainers. As far as speed being too much, just put the correct prop on it to keep airspeed down. Throw on a prop with a 4 or 5 pitch for most sport engines. It will fly slow at full throttle and crawl at every other setting.

The only things that would make it the tougher to fly would be ground control with the tail dragger, and the fact that there isn't much dihedral on the 4*, so they have to concentrate to correct roll. Granted, it's more than some can handle early. Many students, especially young ones, can handle the learning curve. I learned on the Fazer two years ago with only a couple of hours of flight sim time under my belt. I'm 36, not a kid, but not old either so that factors in too. My instructor was confident in me, and guaranteed me that I would handle it well.

Would I want to train everyone on a Fazer or 4*? Heck no! But there's always a few that could easily be trained on them, and a few that will take months or years no matter how forgiving the planes are. I've heard of people who have been flying for several years but won't fly at all unless an instructor is around to bail them out of trouble. They definately don't need to start on a 4* or Fazer!!!

Fastsky, I'm not an instructor and don't have to deal with the pressures of having to assist someone every time I go to the field and fly. In that light, I don't blame you at all for recommending the trainer over the 4* because the extra dihedral will definately cut down the number of times you have to take control. I did do some instructing once, and was nervous the whole time, afraid I would let him crash because I was used to more manouverable planes. I had never flown a trainer in my life and wouldn't let him take over until I had flown it several minutes to get the hang of flying something with dihedral and lower responsiveness. I got over it when I landed.

I had a lot of firsts that day...my first trainer flight, first plane with dihedral, first tricycle gear takeoff and landing, and first instructing duty. I appreciate the job instructors do, and don't envy the fact that they lose personal flying time to instructing duties and are responsible for someone else's property while doing it.

Tim

Tim, Thankx for your comments. If we had more instructors at our club then we would have time to make the required changes on new planes. If something isn't right on a plane we only have time to advise as to what has to be done and move on to the next plane. If the planes are LT40s I don't have to be too concerned if the throw rate is too high. It will still be controllable enough to train on and its not going to be a speed demon. If the plane is a 4*, it won't and I don't have time to fiddle with the rates until I get them right! I had 1 guy join our club because he was having trouble getting trained at his previous club. He had an Avistar with a Supertigre 45 with a 11-7 APC prop. Of course he wanted to go fancy so he had a computer radio with dual rates. The high rate was set at 120%. He didn't know that the buddy box doesn't know anything about dual rates, it just goes to high rate. So now we have a fast plane, set at high rates and he wonders why its too sensitive for him to train on! When 5 new flyers show up at the same time, and there are only 2 instructors, the ones with the flat bottomed planes with reliable engines get to fly first. Clubs with more instructors may be able to spend more time for adjustments ect. but at our club, that isn't the case.

In our club we have three instructors and three setup people, the new pilot has to get past the setup guy's before he gets to the instructor, this works great, food for thought..try fly

That's a 40 sized trainer. Flys just fine with a .46. I learned to fly in the 70's with a Ugly Stick. So to me a Ultra Stick or Big Stick would be a good trainer.

Telemaster senior is a great ship .60 sized and big!

You might want to look at the Goldberg Protege.



It has a 71.5" wingspan; 890 S.I. of wing area; 7.8 pounds and a 66" fuse. Flies fine on a .60 engine.

It's easy to see, too. If you use aileron/rudder coupling it flies (almost) like a semi-symmetrical airfoil rather than a flat-bottom wing. No skidding around the sky.

Good luck in whichever model you choose.

WOW! think you have some choices?

My 2cents, will it may be 1 cent. I have flown for about 15 years, and most of the trainers mentioned are very good. I started on a Telemaster .40, about the same size and wieght as the Sig LT .40. A great trainer fly's slow and predictable, I have not flown the LT but it should be much the same, and the Telemaster was a pain to build.
The only plane I have flown that may be better in certain conditions is the Rightflyer .60. On the plus side it has a semi symetrical airfoil and handles wind better than the flat bottoms. It settles in for landing rock solid, no bouncing drifting etc. On the down side it requires a .60 engine to fly decently, uses more fuel and higher initial cost. The plane is heavey so needs to fly through the air a little faster, but not much.
So I gues if its windy in your area I might consider a right Flyer and if not probably the LT .40, either one are really great planes, as are several others mentioned. Allthough I have not flown the LT I have observed them and looked them over. Sig quality is excellent.

Take a look at the Hanger 9 Alpha trainer 60. 72" wingspan Evo .61 engine
I love mine

I will agree with you that the covering material leaves much to be desired, but I have a Superstar 60 and enjoy flying it. It flies steady and handles very well.
I think it's easier to see than my PT-40. When it comes time to re-cover it I plan to match it to the red and yellow scheme on the PT.

85" Fully sheeted wing.
.40 - .50 2S / .50 - .65 4S

These specs look right to you?

Put the 40 in the sig kadet senior which is an 80" wing. Designed for a .40 or .46 I think... About the largest wing you can get on a .40 size engine other than the cubs.

Love my hobbistar mark 3 they just updated the hobbistar, mark 2 and orignal.

love mine with a 65 la. tower hobbies bro 149.99

I built and trained on a GP PT60. 71 inch wing span. It looked comparable to the sig kadet arf, however it has proven to be considerably more durable. Darn soccer club has a shed on both sides of our clubs paved runway. Cliped the wing once and bounced off the top of the shed. A friend said his senoirita would have been in tiny pieces after a hit like that. It flew really nice, slow when needed and fast enough when things got boring. Dead sticks were easy because of it's ability to glide. Some say light is best, but it sucks when the wind pushes the plane around like crazy. I planned on crashing when beginning my training, and wanted durablity. Was past the training stage when I crashed the PT60. There are alot of trainers out there that are good.

Northdriver said "Take a look at the Hanger 9 Alpha trainer 60. 72" wingspan Evo .61 engine
I love mine "

I would echo that comment! Excellent choice.

Jerry