Hi, wonder if i could get some input on this? Learned to fly a few years back on a 60 inch trainer with a 60 2 stroke, got where i could fly good. Now i have a hobbico hobbistar 60 mkII with a os fs 91 surpass II that i just got ready to fly.
Now if i do ok with this setup what would be a good first low wing that would take the fs 91 with a 65 to 70 inch or so span i can learn to fly in to land and not be a bad floater?
Thanks,for your help.
Glenn.

Sorry,I forgot to say i would concider ARF or a kit.
Thanks again,Glenn.

And NOT be a floater? That rules out just about every 3d plane out there. And it also rules out almost every plane that you'll hear suggested for a good first low wing plane. A plane usually "floats" because lower wing loading enables them to fly at much lower speeds, and they're light enough that even having teh engine at or near idle produces enough thrust to pull them along. That makes for nice, easy slow landings with lots of time to adjust and react, just what you need when you're trying to master something that lands at a faster speed than a high wing trainer. It's possible, with practice, to make a "floater" land very quickly, (undamaged!).

Consider a Sig 4* 60, your 91 will fly it nicely and you'll probablly never get tired of it...


Andy

An Extra, Edge, Cap or Sukhoi won't float. You gotta fly 'em all the way in.

Look no further...

The Goldberg Tiger 60 - Comes in Kit or ARF

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...&I=LXH756&P=ML

> "An Extra, Edge, Cap or Sukhoi won't float. You gotta fly 'em all the way in."

Unfortunately, they are not really good for a second plane.

I would suggest the SIG 4* 60 or the Lanier Stinger 60 with reduced throws for a second plane.

For a non floating plane you need to have a high wing loading. This means the plane is going to land substantially faster than you are presently used to AND, in most cases, the plane is going to be VERY UNFORGIVING - in short, you make a mistake and you have toothpicks.

Yes, but my brother has a tiger 60, and it floats in very nice. As a 3rd plane, you need a low wing, but it needs to float until you get used to the low wing setup. If you're trying to transition to warbirds, then just go with the tiger 60, or 4*60. Make them into a tail dragger configuration, and fly the wings off of them. You'll get what you need from them. If you want to have to "fly" a plane in, just go out when the wind is blowing 15, and gusting over 20, and land into the wind. You have to have good throttle management, because those gusts will pick you up, and drop you like a rock, if you don't fly the thing all the way to the ground. Just my experience.

Thanks, a65I, WCB, MinnFlyer, Campy,and 2 slow 2 mater.

I guess i goofed by going with { non floater} sorry. I had always liked the 4 star 60 but saw several post saying it was quote a floater and not that much of a change from a trainer, end quote.

I now will take a hard look at the planes you all have mentioned, you have been a big help, thanks for your input and time.

Thanks again, Glenn.

Glenn-

I'd give some thought to the Great Planes Super Sportster 60 or a Hangar 9 Ultra Stik 60 (not technically low wing).

I went to college in Tulsa with a couple kids from Salina. I really like that part of the country.

-Scott

The 4* floats worse than a trainer so that not what you want! I would also suggest the Super Sportster 60. Doesn't need to be landed really fast but its not a floater. The Goldberg Tiger 60 is also a very good choice. You can't really go wrong with either one. The Tiger 60 has a longer wing so its easier to see in the sky so that may be a factor depends on what you want. I like the larger wings myself. I have a Cloud Dancer 60 thats really nice but its more of a floater type.

How about a TF T-34 Mentor? If your going to real warbirds a warbird trainer might be in order.

WOW...Salina...wouldn't have expected to see that pop up here...

From Pryor/Chautau myself, though i havent been out there in a few years...

Campy is right. The planes I suggested wouldn't make good second planes. I got hung up on "non-floater" and my typing fingers went full throttle and my brain was zeroed out. Sorry.
WCB

Boy !! Thanks to everyone for your replys, I it will be the sportster or the tiger 60. I do like the t-34 but maybe next.
Down the way when the time is right i would like to try a balsa usa tiger moth gasser. dream dream dream.

Thanks again. GLENN.

I'm the brother that owns that tiger 60. I have a Saito 100 on it and it sings like you've never heard. I think I have it setup a little nose heavy because upon approach she will loose altitude quicker than many other planes at the field. I like this because it really looks scale upon approach, and a little throttle managment is all she needs to grease every landing. I was doing touch and goes with her today, grease almost every one. It's a great flying sport plane. I've had mine for over 6 months now and I'm still not tired of it. It's my favorite plane in my hangar!

Glenn, I've never seen this done before. But I've seen people, on various forums as this, recommend removing a bay from each wing tip of the 4*. You could get the ARF and remove a bay from each wing, or build the kit leaving out a bay from each wing. It should increase your wing loading and roll rate. If your really like the 4*, this might be an option. Maybe someone that's tried this can let us know.

Of all the many planes I have flown I will say the WM Super Chipmunk is brilliant for your 90 sized 4C, its got flaps and retracts, flies really great. Also, the Pacific Aeromodels Edge 540 is another great choice. Both are well manufactured planes and both fly great! Much better than your 4* or Tiger II.

Sig Astro Hog on a 91 best plane I ever flew.Used taildragger gear and attached it to the fuse in front of the wing with axles about 1" ahead of leading edge. Rock solid in flight and leaps off in 10 or 20 ft.and practicaly lands itself.When building discard the multi piece doubler and cut a new one piece one and trim the formers by that much It will strengthen the fus a lot with no wieght gain

For a first low wing plane, you DO want a plane that will float somewhat. I will echo some of the others and say that the 4*60 would be an excellent choice. It is a very simple kit to build, and it is very easy to build the wing with either one or two bays cut off each side. It is also an easy kit to modify. I built the 4*40 and made a few changes like a enclosed balsa cowl, sheeted turtledeck, enlarged rudder, cut down canopy, shortened wings, and some others. The only difference in the build of the 60 over the 40 is that the 60 comes pre-designed for seperate aileron servos. No that I have a Saito 100, I will build a 60 as well. Another plus is that it's just a really nice flying airplane, and looks great too.

I agree with the Astro Hog suggestion. I made mine electric and it weighed almost 9 pounds. Fast and fun!

Thanks Jim, i think i will do the hog first .
Thanks again, Glenn.

Have a look at the World Models Sauper Sport Senior. It is realy well made , simple and light. Very good ARF.

You can stop anything from floating by adding lead or epoxy. I have some 15-year-old equipment that flies great but sinks like a brick.

Bill S

Bills, Sorry for my late reply. Ialso had some bricks about 20 years ago but i guess i had a ``senior moment '' and forgot about the effect of weight. Thanks for your reply.
Glenn.