Built a Tiger 2 ARF for a friend today and needs 12 oz nose weight to balance. This is the absolute worst plane I've ever put together. Has anyone else had to add this kind of weight to this plane?????

Hmm, that's odd. I've heard nothing but good about the Tiger 2's. I built a kit once and didn't have any problems. Sorry, I don't remember what I needed to balance it.

Hope you get it figured out.

Ken

Using a tt .42 for engine. maybe it needs a bigger one

What did you put in the tail section to add that much weight for the nose? How much epoxy did you use?

I built one and it came out perfect. No additional weight at all. I have the OS .46AX as the power plant. Man, does it move!! It is such a great plane. Way to go CG!!!!

You are the first person to have a bad comment about this plane.

Let me tell you all the things that make this thing a P.O.S.! First I had to drill out the wheels because the holes were too small. Second I had to re locate the throttle push rod to the right side of the fuse. Third the nose gear was bent out of the package and would not even fit in the hole of the nose gear mount. and the best one is.... The frickin holes in the wing for the LG was not deep enough. only about 1/2" I had to drill them deeper. I could have built a kit in the time it took me to put this SOB together.

What really irks me is I suggested this plane because I've read such good things about it on these forums. I'm really close to giving him the money he paid for it and doing a Chad to this plane just to put me out of my misery[sm=angry.gif][sm=punching.gif]

yes firewall was put in backwards for mine but nothing major balanced perfect with os 46ax love mine

Tsands,
This is really odd. It doesn't sound like a Goldberg product. They usually have pretty good quality control and their products aren't that badly messed up. There was a problem with the firewall being backwards, but the realized the problem and were more then willing to take care of the mistake. If you had to drill out the holes in the wheel then I would say something is really weird with the plane. My suggestion would be to call Goldberg and discuss it with them. It's been my experience that Goldberg does care about it's customers and will usually do what it needs to in order to set things right. Discuss all the problems you are having with them and give them a chance to take care of the problem. If their past history is any indication I would say that they will make things right for you.

Ken

12 oz nose weight in a plane like that screams something is amiss....I do not know you or your modeling abilities so I will have to ask??? What is the point at which you are trying to balance, what happened in the tail area (did you mount the servos back there) etc... Could you give a little more detail??? Something serious has to be bunched up in that production piece. I have had a few thing wrong with hardware in some kits, like the axle holes too small, but that happens sometimes with mass produced stuff. It just seems like something really bombed in this kit.......

Detals please

It is an ARF. I have built 2 kits and this is the 4th arf I've built. I took the tank out and put the battery directly behind the firewall and now it only takes 8 1/2 oz's lead. WOOHOO I've worked on this thing trying to make it right for about 30 hrs now and it still is not right. The servo's are mounted in the servo tray that was already glued in by factory. You bet I'm gonna call them tomorrow. I jsut hope I can keep my cool when I do. I'm really PO'D right now.

Tsands,
I had to do the same things with my plane. Drilling holes in wheels - I've had to drill holes out on 2 planes already. Most of the time they don't know what axel you will use so they make them smaller. The firewall problem I had on 2 fuselages however the second time I didn't want to send it back to them. Took me 20 minutes to drill a new hole.

I am on my 2nd Tiger 2 and love the airplane. I had to add about 3 1/2 ounces on the nose as a trike and 1 1/2 ounces as a tail dragger. You shouldn't need that much up front.

Except for the nose weight, these are small issues. I also have a VF Edge ARF which required about 3 times the work that you describe here and its a fantastic airplane.

The problem I see with it is it would be easier if they didn't drill the holes at all. I have to take out the steering tube and the throttle tube. Regardless of how long of a fix it is. They should sell a quality product and this definitely is NOT a quality product. $70 Sonic is a better plane than this and was half price. I WILL NEVER PURCHASE ANOTHER GOLDBERG PRODUCT. PERIOD. If I wanna spend a whole weekend repairing someone elses mistakes I'll buy used from now on. I'm not gonna buy a truck and have to modify it before I can drive it. If they say something will be a certain way it d@%n well better be that way. PERIOD!!! NO EXCUSES!!!
EDIT: That is why I prefer kits. I only own one arf and the others were for ither people. If I build a kit and something is wrong there is no one to blame but me and that is the way I like it. Can't count on other people

Guess you had better not ever buy anything from Wal-mart, then

Anything that is mass produced is likely to have issues. You got a bad one. If you rule out all CG products from this point on, then YOU are the one missing out--they make some really great products. Sounds like maybe the landing gear wire might have been wrong--a little too big, hence drilling out the wheels and maple blocks, just a guess. They would have made it right if you would have called.

I hate to tell you this, but your friend really didn't pay all that much for the plane--considering it is one of the cheaper ARF .40 sized low-wingers out there.
It's not like you purchased a 400 dollar Christen Eagle and got crap for quality. Realize what you bought. Yes, it should be right, and if you call them, they will make it right, I'd bet my next check on it.

It can be very frustrating not having everything you need to finish a project, especially one like this. However, you could have called them three times now in the amount of time you've vented on here.

If you've balanced it properly, then maybe your motor is just real light. Is the motor all the way out on the mounts? Do you have the spinner and prop on it while balancing, is the fuel tank installed (empty, of course)? These can all make a difference.

Goldberg has made some of the finest r/c products you could get. I am surprised at your lack of patience. Let me ask...Do you own a Ford?[sm=lol.gif] There are things in life that sometimes go off course. If this were some no name arf I could see some concern. These no name arf's have been around and they are crap. You have not even tried to rectify the problem with Goldberg and you have them blacklisted. No one said you had to spend !QUOT!hours!QUOT! as you put it fixing things. As I see it some of the things were just minor annoyances that we all deal with, even with expensive kits. On the rare occasions that I have had problems with things, the reputable manufactures have always done me right.

You don't get a company like Goldberg, Futaba, JR, Great Planes, etc. that have survived all these years unless they are willing to make things right. In fact I just sent in my Hitec Eclipse Tx because I thought it needed a check up. It has been out of warranty for several years now. They went through it and sent it back to me no charge.

I would think if you approached this with a better attitude and just made a phone call then things would be a ok.

I agree with Ryanpilot. You did not even give CG a chance to correct the problem. I had a problem with firewall being backwards. I did what a reasonable person would do - CALL THE MANUFACTURER. They fixed it and I had a brand new fuselage in about 5 days, free of charge. I did not even pay for shipment of the new fuselage or shipment of the old fuselage back to them. So before you go half cock, take a breath and call the manufacturer next time.

I would buy their products again. Great customer service, but TSands would not know that.

Yup, just finished the Tiger 60 ARF.....lots of extra weight needed, even with a Saito 82 up front!

I'm just getting back to RC after ~6 yrs or so. One of my favorite models when I got out was my Tiger-2 w/Saito 50. Built from a kit, it was my 2nd Tiger, (first one.....oh well). Don't remember having to add excessive weight to those. I liked tha plane better than my Super Chipmunk and GP P-51.

I called Goldberg about the 60 ARF and the fellow told me he has an early 60, (rud and ele servos in tail), and he had to add 14oz!!! Says it will handle the extra weight no sweat, (?).
12 oz, in the 40 size though, seems excessive, but from my experience with the 60, it sounds like it may not be unusual with these Tiger ARFs.

I've also noticed that it also wants to drop the tail with a slight nudge even when the CG is right. Goldberg told me that when I get it fueled and taxi, the downthrust will compensate, hmmmm. He said the main gear is placed near the CG to allow for a nice rotation on takeoff, (we'll see).

I still need to find a decent weather window to break in the engine and then I guess I'll see if it is as good as they used to be.

Take care.

A little nose weight in the front 3 oz with an OS 46 ax engine. All the problems you are having is meaningless... Sure it should be right but every arf is going to have a little problem or two! I had to redrill the motor mount redrill the nose gear mount and support didnt even bother with the main gear I went and bought a sturdy fiberglass main's, added weight but flies great Plenty of power.
I thought about calling CG about the issues but Why... to me it was not that big of a deal mabe a half hr extra time. If OR when I crash this plane I will buy another. LOVE IT
Greg

Not from my experience with the CG EP Mirage 550 or the Lightning Bug . The balsa was cheap and weak. And the shipping price for pre-cut balsa was OUTRAGEOUS ! So I never bought another CG plane again.

8 oz of nose weight is horrible for any plane.


try building a shrike you will be pulling your hair out.

You people have your opinions and I have mine. Say what you will but the things I described being wrong with this are not acceptable. Yes I could have called them and they may have sent me another. So what. It should have been right to begin with. And from the sound of it the problems would still be there. ie fire wall being backward requiring redrilling of former and firewall so the nosewheel would turn the right direction and the throttle would be on the correct side. You think what you think and I think what I think, and I think I don't want another one of these just so I can correct all the same problems. It's fixed now and maybe it will fly and maybe it won't. We'll see next wkend

You could have set it up as a tail dragger and saved the trouble with redrilling holes for the nose wheel. If you'd like I can take pictures of how mine is set up inside - everything went in great.

I assembled it for a friend that hasn't even soloed yet. I thought he needed it to be trike so that is the way I went. I have a tailwheel assy for when or IF he decides to make it that way. Thanks anyway. It's fixed, its finished, so it's not in my shop for me to deal with anymore.

I'm sure he'll love it. They fly great!

Edit:Oops, re-read the first post. Sorry

I had worried about how mine balanced because it seemed tail heavy sitting on the ground but when I put it upside down on the CG machine it came out needing very little weight up front. Pretty neutral CG and it snaps very nice.

DOH[>:] shakes hit it right on the head. I can't believe that no one else caught that, including myself, as we just assume.....You did balance it inverted right???? Thant can make a huge difference. Also I am still trying to figure out why it took you hours to fix what you claim took you hours to fix????? By the way, I never did get an answer on the ford question.

I am sorry to say that you sound to be one of those guys that can not be happy with anything and can not give the chance to have a solution to a problem rather just complain about it. From everything I have read in just this post about this plane in the ARF form, there are not that many problems and some, like the firewall issue have been fixed.

I know the Tiger and Tiger2 kits have been a huge success and are terrific flyer's.

There is the other problem. A company like CG looks for customer feedback so they can address and fix these problems when they crop up. If everybody did like you are doing here than improvements would never get implemented.

Point in fact is the new Sea Wind from Great Planes. The first planes are getting in the publics hands and there are some problems (look at the posts) but Great Planes has already stepped up and started fixing problems they would not know are there if everything was handled in the manner as you have here.

I drive a chevy

We built six of these with fifth and six grade kids in the local Gear-up program. Didn't find any of the problems that are described. Our's also have OS .46 AX's in them. They balanced perfect (upside down) with the battery just behind the former in the wing compartment. All fly perfectly.

Rich


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