Aileron and elevator mix glitch?
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Hi,
I see there are a lot of people who have posted on this topic so I will just add my $0.02 worth and ask a question that I hope someone can help with. I bought a T6XA about 4 years ago as my first computer radio, (getting back into the sport / hobby after an absence of far too long. The radio is fantastic, reliable and glitch free and works a dream, I have 5 planes now, um sorry 7 (4 gliders) 11, plus 5 wings 2 fuses, um.... I have an assortment of aircraft in various stages of construction and reconstruction (part of the fun I suppose) Anyway, I bought the radio because I like Futaba, have had 3 in the past 2, 2 channel and on of the first 4 channel FM sets in the country in 1980, a great radio I still use occasionally. I bought the computer set because I wanted something more than just 4 channels (functions).
So I'm now trying to programme a 40 sized ARF 330L Extra with all the best features of the radio and I've hit a snag, I have had to reverse the aileron and throttle sticks to take the unit from Mode 1 (which I learned to fly on 20 years ago) and change it to Mode 2 because that's all that anyone at the club I joined could teach, so I'm now a Mode 2 convert but the radio was supplied mode 1, I thought it would be easy just move the ratchet from right to left and plug the correct servo into the correct output on the reciever, this worked fine for 4 functions but now I want to mix ailerons with elevator and have the flaps work (I'm putting an OS61 into the plane to give it some real verticle performance, plus beefed up the airframe and wings to take the extra power). the problem is the ailerons run fully down through their range of travel then recover to the point where I have the stick set, (i.e. if I apply 1/2 left aileron the left aileron goes up1/2 way, but the right goes fully down then recovers to the 1/2 way point) the mixing for the elevator and ailerons for (crow function - up aileron -paired with down elevator and airbrake - down ailerons with up elevator, mixed with elevator works well). I really don't want to use a 'Y' lead and loose the functionality of the drooping ailerons to slow the landing speed of the plane as the 61 has added a bit of weight to the nose and I'd like to be able to slow the plane down a bit to land- If I need to.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
I will keep experimenting with the expo and throws and mixing to see if I can cure this 'glitch'.
I see there are a lot of people who have posted on this topic so I will just add my $0.02 worth and ask a question that I hope someone can help with. I bought a T6XA about 4 years ago as my first computer radio, (getting back into the sport / hobby after an absence of far too long. The radio is fantastic, reliable and glitch free and works a dream, I have 5 planes now, um sorry 7 (4 gliders) 11, plus 5 wings 2 fuses, um.... I have an assortment of aircraft in various stages of construction and reconstruction (part of the fun I suppose) Anyway, I bought the radio because I like Futaba, have had 3 in the past 2, 2 channel and on of the first 4 channel FM sets in the country in 1980, a great radio I still use occasionally. I bought the computer set because I wanted something more than just 4 channels (functions).
So I'm now trying to programme a 40 sized ARF 330L Extra with all the best features of the radio and I've hit a snag, I have had to reverse the aileron and throttle sticks to take the unit from Mode 1 (which I learned to fly on 20 years ago) and change it to Mode 2 because that's all that anyone at the club I joined could teach, so I'm now a Mode 2 convert but the radio was supplied mode 1, I thought it would be easy just move the ratchet from right to left and plug the correct servo into the correct output on the reciever, this worked fine for 4 functions but now I want to mix ailerons with elevator and have the flaps work (I'm putting an OS61 into the plane to give it some real verticle performance, plus beefed up the airframe and wings to take the extra power). the problem is the ailerons run fully down through their range of travel then recover to the point where I have the stick set, (i.e. if I apply 1/2 left aileron the left aileron goes up1/2 way, but the right goes fully down then recovers to the 1/2 way point) the mixing for the elevator and ailerons for (crow function - up aileron -paired with down elevator and airbrake - down ailerons with up elevator, mixed with elevator works well). I really don't want to use a 'Y' lead and loose the functionality of the drooping ailerons to slow the landing speed of the plane as the 61 has added a bit of weight to the nose and I'd like to be able to slow the plane down a bit to land- If I need to.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
I will keep experimenting with the expo and throws and mixing to see if I can cure this 'glitch'.
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I would recommend that you put the radio back to it's mode 1 configuration and send it to hobby services to get it converted to mode 2. You seem to have left the TX as mode one and just used different outputs on the RX. This is not the proper way to vonvert the TX. While it is not hard, you need to have some knowledge of electronics. You need to move the ratch, springs, and pots to get it right.
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http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
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He said he had the T6XA not the 6EXAP. I don't think the T6XA has that feature but I could be wrong.
ORIGINAL: bruce88123
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
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ORIGINAL: Geistware
He said he had the T6XA not the 6EXAP. I don't think the T6XA has that feature but I could be wrong.
He said he had the T6XA not the 6EXAP. I don't think the T6XA has that feature but I could be wrong.
ORIGINAL: bruce88123
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
QUOTING:
Changing the 6EXAP stick mode
The transmitter may be operated in four different stick “modes” (1, 2, 3 & 4). The modes determine the functions that will be operated by control sticks. Currently, the transmitter is in “mode 2” and should be left in mode 2 unless you are an experienced flyer and have learned to fly in a different mode. In mode 2, the right control stick operates the aileron and elevator and the left stick operates the rudder and throttle. This is how 99% of Americans fly their models.
To change the mode, simultaneously depress the MODE and SELECT keys, then turn on the power. The current mode will appear on the LCD screen. Push the DATA INPUT lever up or down to change the mode. If a mode is selected that moves the throttle control to the right stick, the throttle detent mechanism will have to be moved as well.
It's on page six (6) of this one:
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/notes-6x.html
Thanks for noticing my error.
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Hi,
I have changed some of the settings and decided to try a new profile, (model 3) I can select I think up to 4 different models of the samr type (planes, copters or gliders but not one of each) I have a new receiver a JR synteresized 7 channel that I have decided to fit to the plane for safety's sake - no crystal failure problems. Then go about sorting out the functions on the TX to see what works and what doesn't, currently moving the Ailerons causes the throttle to work, the rudder works off the elevator output, and the ailerons work from the landing gear switch, so I have some work to do. I'll let you know how I get on.
THanks for your help so far, I also found the manual on another site and I still have a hard copy in my hobby room, I'm a bit distracted at the moment with the England - Australia test match for a few days.....So i'll let you know how I get on over the next little while.
Thanks again for your advice.
Andrew
I have changed some of the settings and decided to try a new profile, (model 3) I can select I think up to 4 different models of the samr type (planes, copters or gliders but not one of each) I have a new receiver a JR synteresized 7 channel that I have decided to fit to the plane for safety's sake - no crystal failure problems. Then go about sorting out the functions on the TX to see what works and what doesn't, currently moving the Ailerons causes the throttle to work, the rudder works off the elevator output, and the ailerons work from the landing gear switch, so I have some work to do. I'll let you know how I get on.
THanks for your help so far, I also found the manual on another site and I still have a hard copy in my hobby room, I'm a bit distracted at the moment with the England - Australia test match for a few days.....So i'll let you know how I get on over the next little while.
Thanks again for your advice.
Andrew
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Nope, you were correct.
While I knew the radios were different, the capability seems to be there.
ORIGINAL: Geistware
He said he had the T6XA not the 6EXAP. I don't think the T6XA has that feature but I could be wrong.
You are partially correct Geistware. I had the wrong manual.
It's on page six (6) of this one:
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/notes-6x.html
Thanks for noticing my error.
He said he had the T6XA not the 6EXAP. I don't think the T6XA has that feature but I could be wrong.
ORIGINAL: bruce88123
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/index.html
On pg 21 of the manual you will find in the above section there are instructions for making the electronic change over to Mode 2. Then with the ratchets set properly you SHOULD be all set.
It's on page six (6) of this one:
http://www.futaba-rc.com/manuals/notes-6x.html
Thanks for noticing my error.



