Gents, New Paint Job? Where do I read that? Crankpin!!

Painting the Wester Taurus I get the best advice for the plane given me by Rembrandt Harmenszoon van Rijn, see picture 1.
Because I have to wait in my painting process, some interesting facts about his most famous painting (Dutch: Nachtwacht)


The panting is finished by Rembrandt in 1642, so the age is 367 years now.
That’s nearly 8 times older than our Crate Picture from Africa.

I show you the time schedule so we know where we are talking about,


Today, After 30 year of research by mister Dr. Bas Dudok van Heel (picture 3), it is known who is every persons on the world famous “Night Watch” painting. Not only who, also where the person did live, his/her work, relationship etc,

Chapeau monsieur Bas Dudok van Heel to do this for us in the Netherlands.

It cost mister van Heel 30 years, is twelve % of the total age of the painting, to find out every name for every person on the painting and the personal history!
For me it’s clear that I still have some time (5 years) to do the same for the history of the crate picture, searching the real history and look for every detail.

Last pictures, also in the Netherlands we have our planes! and famous instructors, Henk van der Heijden.

So, I hope I can continue the painting of the plane now, so more to come.

Cees

Gents, for who is interested.

Some Taurusses on one picture.

The Contest Taurus(1) and the transferred standard Taurus(2) made with some photo shopping, while I am waiting in the painting process.

As a designer, Ed employed many small details in his narrow Contest Taurus. All of these would have been difficult to reproduce by the “Man in the street”.
The Standard Taurus has to be a plane that fly as nearly as good as the Contest Taurus of Ed himself but with some modifications to make the plane easier to build and maintain.

BTW we see this in nearly all the contest planes when they ‘kit’ them. To make building easy and difficulties less.

What did Ed and Frank, his draftsman, change to make a standard Taurus from his contest Taurus.

I show you the changes I did myself by photo reconstruction, of course not scaled.

Reference is my own Taurus (3), an visual exact copy of the MAN Taurus of the magazine.

• Ed did give the fuselage more internal height near the radio equipment . Result the green horizontal dash volume, so more room for the radio equipment. Important when you do not have “relay less” as Ed did have oder Graupner Varioton oder Telecont?.

• The engine and tank relationship (level) was the same but after the modification of the fuse there is extra room beneath the tank, for batteries, Green bended dash in the tank and battery compartment. So the engine did get the high position in the fuselage also to have more clearance for the prop. Of course the spray bar of the engine’s carburetor is in the centerline of the tank!!!

• The tail cone Ed did make a little longer (Blue vertical dash) as we all know now.

• The fin and rudder did get a steeper angle on the fuselage and the rudder a little smaller(red), as result of research. The tail cone of the new Taurus was made longer that’s why!

• The bottom line from the tank compartment and the tail cone did get a other angle to finish the new shape.

• The fuselage became more wide and if you could not fit your radio even wider.

• No adjustment for the engine, the angles are fixed for side thrust and the down thrust. This was the result of research.

I think the modifications do have the most negative influences on inverted flying because of the angle of the bottom side of the tail cone so more turbulence! Also the thrust line wasn’t neutral anymore. For this reason the Oldest Taurus on Earth, Contest Taurus (Wester Taurus ) is better than the standard Taurus and later Top Flite Taurus.

The Top Flite Taurus is of course much better than the Orion (picture 2) with his "tail high" ATTITUDE (picture 3).

See also my post 465 page 8/10/2008 page 19 of Ed Kazmirski's Taurus.

So, continuing the painting.

Cees

Gents,

The painter.

To paint the silk covered wings and stab I spray a very thin first layer of primer on the surfaces, see picture 1.
I check the quality of the layer with a lamp, backlight, see picture 2.
Second color will be the white color. Then red and black.

Picture 3 of my (MAN, Top Flite copy) AMA15204 Taurus wing as example after painting with one layer primer and one layer color (red).

More to come about the painting.

Speaking about

the wings and the threaded hinges

of the ailerons.

Picture 4 shows us a part of the crate picture, the hinges.
The ailerons of the Oldest Taurus on Earth wing were mounted with two threaded hinges on the wings W7/8 W11/12. The third hinge is near W2 the root (or pivot?). Characteristic for the Oldest Taurus wing.
On the Wester Taurus I will use the same mounting positions.

The later 1962 standard Taurus did get a first modification for the aileron hinges and did have 4 hinges divided over the TE of the wing, so the first isn’t near the root but near W3. See the picture 5 Michaelj2k did make.

We can read that Ed did fly a long time with the old way of mounting the ailerons. He still did fly in Rhodesia with the three hinges each wing.
I will experience what happens after a period of flying. Maybe when some play appears there will be flutter on the ailerons and I also have to add the hinges, the TE of the wing is prepared for that.

More to come about the Wester Taurus.

Cees

Gents,

Double post
Post deleted, because of posting problems.

Cees

Gents,

For later, when did I what?

Paiting of the white color is ready.
I only paint that part of wings and fuselage that's needed.
Next step is maskering the white and paint black.


Cees

Looking very nice, Cees.

Hello Nic, thanks,

About a few days a can make the same picture.
Only your environmental friendly service box is a problem for me.

Modelers, a natural feeling for details we all enjoy.

Cees

Ah, yes, those were the days of "Flower Power" about 1970-71 as I recall.

WEDJ, it's weekend, so some music!

The Oldest Taurus on Earth is a few months older than the Rolling Stones, so “Time is on my side” (1964) while Hanna inspects the black color.(picture1)

When you are buzy build a Taurus and forget which color on bottom of the fuselage, you also listen to the Rolling Stones, 1966 “Paint It, Black”

I see my red door, I must have it painted black

Our military pilot in our Taurus looks to his feet and sings:

I see a red floor, I must have it painted black


To let the Taurus win the Detroit Invitational’s we give him now some Detroit Red Wings just Norm Ullman has in that period.

More to come

Cees

Gents,

I read a interesting post of TFF.

TFF hope you don’t mind I do repeat your post in my thread but you are completely right.

See thread : Who can teach me?????, from tiancangming from Taiwan.

When you want to know it all tiancangming, you have a lot of work to do, start with post 1 of this thread.

Cees

Gents,

After some red paint it already looks like a real Taurus,
some dashes on the wings and fuselage and the AMA characters on the wing.
After that mouning activities like canopy, radio gears, engine ets, etc.
Still a long way to go.

"Don't Stop" (Rolling Stones)

Cees

Looking very good, Cees. What type of paint are you using?

In keeping with your song themes, perhaps your Taurus will truly be "The Lonely Bull" (Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16B5Xm8_IKw

Nic!!

Did you know "The Lonely Bull", from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass is of the year 1962!!

This was the year everybody may think about for a while!

Ed Kazmirski did have “The Lonely Bull”, the Contest Taurus of the Crate and all the other pilots the Standard Taurus.
Who did win the Nats in 1962?
Who did recognize “The Lonely Bull” in 1962?


The paint,
I use 2 components,
First component is the jam for your sandwich. See picture 1, throw away the jam and keep the little jar for the pistol, (with the refrigerator compressor and of course Evangelista Torricelli)
Second component is the cheap paint you can buy in your 'Do it yourself' shop for garden and kitchen doors (and about 25 - 30 % benzine).

Only take care of the fuel you use in your glow plug engine. The fuel I can buy in the Netherlands doesn't give any troubles, also not on my TF Taurus and Orion.
I did check a foreign fuel and that did give troubles, so you are warned!

Using the wrong fuel on the wrong paint is the [size=3]"Biggest Mistake"[/size] (Rolling Stones) you can make!

Cees

Gents

First attempt to reconstruct the registration of the AMA number.
Of course without the American flag they were only used for the trip to Europe.

These characters are traditional for the registration of Ed Kazmirski!!

Edit rev 1, rev 2

CeesWhere and how did you find this lettering? I would like to duplicate the lettering when I finish the other Kazmirski fuselage. I would also like one of your address labels you re-created for under the canopy.

Cees-Please send me your address per PM for your surprise (gift) for your contribution to the other thread.

Duane

It just occurred to me you may be doing this yourself. If it would be helpful, I can get exact measurements for the length and height of the lettering in "mm"

Duane

Gents,

Hanna already did look in the spare parts department for a prop we can use for the first flight.
See always asks first, "push?"(Miauw). No, "track" Hanna! And then see separates the pusher props first, look the four props on top of the queue.
See will find one, no problem, there are 40 of them just as wheels.
Cees

Gents,

The painter is ready, so again some pictures.

First picture is the VR/CS Taurus in the AMA museum.
Second the Wester Taurus, copy of the Contest Taurus.

What do you think? Did they see the Taurus of Ed was different when he did use this?

Next job the canopy, black hole in one, but not in the Wester Taurus.

Cees

Cees,

Are you going to change to a "period" prop? That made it real easy to tell the difference. Bet it feels great to be at this stage!

Andy

Very nice looking, with close attention to detail. You need to put a small flag of the Netherlands where the American flag was.

How did you arrive at the extreme "rake" of the vertical fin compared to the kit or Myers plan?

Duane

Yes......What Cees needs is a 40+ year-old prop....preferrably owned by Ed Kazmirski himself. It would make it complete wouldn't it.

Duane

Andy,

I will fly the plane with modern propellers, also the engine is modern and will have an exhaust.
(The 6,5 ccm Webra Black Head , 1964 and younger LOL)

Also I want to do research with pitch, diameter, RPM and airspeed, data logging and for that I need several modern propellers from identical shape.
Later I will probably mount a MVVS 7,5 CCM to measure again these data with some higher airspeed.

You think “Bet it feels great to be at this stage!”?

You still know Andy? Post 248 page 10 >>>>>>is funny to me because my wife tells me what I'm thinking,>>>>>>>>This time you are right!! ROFL (learned from you!)

Cees

Duane,
Read the post 1071 page 43 of Ed Kazmirski’s Taurus
As long as you (both) write this unproved nonsense I will not answer posts.

Cees

Unproved nonsense Cees? These were measured from the actual bits. Basic data. Not some possible dimensions from an old photo.
Evan.

Gents,

for who is interested,

Preparing the mounting of the canopy.

The position is important, to see the canopy on the same place as on the crate picture.
No problem all the drawings are still there, also the original from the laser beaming activities.
Only outside dimensions of this drawing are still important, not (study) construction details, these are on new drawings.
I use several distances to locate the right position of the canopy.
Then make the black “inside”, or is it “upside”?, of the fuselage surface.

Some work on the label and then gluing it all together.

More to come.
Cees