One really could get away with using a new Escape canopy for the Exception, couldn't he, Scott?



Brian

The Bootlegger is on the "approved" list posted on the SPA website.

ChiefK

Dave,

I know the Deception and the Bootlegger are both on the "approved" list on the SPA website... not the Exception. The Bootlegger actually looks to me like a slightly downsized version of the Deception. Since I don't know how to build "light", smaller might be better for me. I thought I had seen a glass Bootlegger fuselage without the pipe tunnel so that whould work for me I think.

Greg

Greg,
you are right about it being on the "approved list" but the Bootlegger did not come out untill 1977 !!
I had ask about using a legger long time ago and was told that it was not legal. Unless they have changed the cutoff date and I'm not aware of it !!! I hope your are right because I have one that I would like to fly in SPA !

Dave

I have a Mach 1 that needs to be finished. A thread like this is just what I need to get me going on it. I also have an original Tiger Tail and a Phoenix 5 fuselage for future projects.

This will help keep ya fired up!!!!

building a 24 year old Bud Nosen citabria kit 105 in wing span going to power with vintage 0s 120 4 stroke

Dads has one hanging in the garage now. We flew it with a Fox .60 back in the 70's
It had to be flown rudder elevator only, cause it was only flying 30-35 mph, but flew great.

WOW!!! Those look great Jamie. I think my Mach 1 just moved up the priority list.

Now I need to learn how to finish an airplane as well as you have. Been a monokote guy so far so glass and paint will be new for me.

Not sure if this comment was referring to the 120 size Super Chipmunk but if so, a thread was started on RCG on the subject.

Please join us on the thread.

David

Chris,

The point I was trying to make is that the Exception is not really a new design. The fact that someone decided to splash a glass fuse from their Deception 15 or 20 some odd years later, is of little consequence. In other words, if I showed up at an SPA meet and said: "I'm flying a Deception which I built from glass", would they actually turn me away?

If so there's more than a bit of a problem there.

The converse would be flying an SPA approved glass fuse design and deciding to build the fuse out of wood. Would the SPA then say: "Can't fly it, your fuse is not glass so it ain't legal!"

You see what I'm getting at? Would you be turned down if you flew a glass fused Curare? Would you be turned away if you showed up with a glass fused new GP DB ARF? It came about 40 years later...

The Exception is a glass fused Deception but otherwise there is nothing "later" about it.

David

Scott,

I'll get some pics up on this post from my computer later today.

The rear of the canopy is "pre-widened" as if one took a Deception canopy, cut off the rear at an angle and then glassed it closed. The closure is simply to facilitate the molding. It is expected that the rear is opened up in the construction to allow the pipe to exit.

Same as one would if building a Deception with a RE setup. Take a look at Kevin's Deception scratch build on RCG I think. I'll post a picture of it here as well. I believe he happened to use an Escape or XLT canopy which are a tad wider but otherwise the same concept.

David

Since it's on the list Dave, I'm sure SPA will honor it.

Greg

Dave, am I incorrect thinking that the Bootlegger is a little smaller than the Deception? Does anyone have the wingspan/fuselage length of the Bootlegger?

Greg

The question is:

What's on the list? A design, a name, a construction technique or the whim of the inspector?

David

Greg,

They were posted somewhere but I can't recall. Paul should have that info and DP should too.

The Deception is however a short spanned classic at 63" but it has lots o' squares. Long fuse though. Earliest "square" design I'm aware of which is what makes it so interesting.

David

Yikes!

I hadn't seen your post Paul. Looks like you're making excellent progress!

What's for power?

I'd be interested to see how you arranged the internals for the pipe floor and floor/FW junction.

David

Brian,

If you're suggesting that the Exception was splashed from a Deception wood fuse with an Escape glass canopy, that's quite possible.

That's in fact exactly how Kevin scratched his Deception. Integral transitioning fin mods too.

David

Scott,

somehow I missed Paul's and your post. That picture should answer the question though. Here are a couple of snaps of Kevin's build. He used a wider canopy as you can see.

David

Well, I am finishing up my Revolver 70 with a DLE-20 installation. But last night I just noticed the OS GT 22. Now I am thinking about another Revolver 70 with the OS GT 22.

Yes, yes, I know all about the Revolver 50cc, and have considered it. But do not think that it will fit into my new SUV.

The "LIST", is simply the names of "approved" airplanes for SPA competition. There are lots of choices. It is expected that these airplanes conform to original design specs in terms of basic measurements, ie. wingspan, fuselage length, wing area, and external shape. What's inside in terms of construction technique, radio equipment, or materials is not at issue. Fixed landing gear (or retracts if the gear remains extended) is required but may be tricycle or tail dragger as the builder prefers. No tuned pipes. Engine or motor standards are specified. That's pretty much it. Four classes of very stiff competition. Lot's of fun. Excellent fellowship. Nobody runs around with a tape measure. It's pretty much an "honor" system.

Greg,

in that case, there's nothing SPA illegal about the Exception!

I should even be able to call it an Exception and fly even if it is not on the list. Why? because I just renamed my glass Deception an Exception. Same as if I flew a Dirty Bird-E or some such variation.

I just wanted to point out that we sometimes get a little caught up with what is "on the list".

If there's no Exception, it's not SPA legal. Not the case. Same as if I flew a Curar-E; it would also be legal.

David

Dave,
Is there still that small group of guys trying to act as if they decide what "we" consider to be "classic pattern" (not refering to the club).
Just build and modify the hell out of what ever you want. Contest will be made for your planes.. I guarentee it.

DM

Goin to builb a Hotts wich is a mid wing plane alot of wood great flyers. Useing a DA50 for power and Hitec5685MH servos</p>

What span will it be?

Ken
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