I hate it when that happens!

doesn't happen when I'm typing about how I don't like Align motors, though. Weird that.

[quote]ORIGINAL: smarks

here's some pics of my mini titan. i screwed up cutting out the canopy and cut away too much. now it wont fully cover the opening over the canopy.
but i have an extra mars canopy and tried it on. looks sweet.

finally figured out my problem. the tail wag was due to the gain at 100%. forgot to set that after binding and data reset. shes flys nice. i do see some vibrations but it must be the blades are out of balance and cant withstand the power of the lingo 9.....first upgrade coming is the dx6i and radix carbons. what headspeed is safe for the plastic head? i may have too much motor for it right now. according to the headsprrd calculator i have 2930 rpm with the current setp. and thats with the 10t pinion ...if i threw on 11t my headspeed is 3250

Glad you're having fun with it . I don't think I'd push much more than 2700 or 2800 on the plastic head, though it is pretty massive compared to some of the others and the Radix blades are nice and light.

I noticed my piro on this heli is real slow. is this normal? my mars could do 6 or 7 piros before my titan will do one. i have the hs65hb on the tail right now. i have one hs81mg that i used a couple of times before i got the 9650 for tail servo. do you think the 81mg's will work better than the 65hb's? i placed an order for the logitech gyro. probably get the 9257 tail servo for it later. when i get the dx6i i will start fresh with both helis (mars and titan)and leave the dx6 for the trex. i like the look of the jr 770 gyro.

Piro on the MT is pretty respectable. The Gazaur may be faster, depending on how they're set up, but it shouldn't be just meandering around the circle.

I use the 401 with a 9257 on mine and it spins pretty well. It and the Gaz have GY401 gyros.

perhaps the 9257 is what i need to increase my tail power. the mars doesn't need a great servo on the tail to be responsive. the hs65hb work very well with it. not so with the titan. that might change once i put the logitech gyro in.

The tail on the Gaz is a very nice design- I had a 3154 on it for a long time, but it always made me nervous so I swapped it for a 9650. Most 450s are happy with a stronger servo on the tail, though, at least mine have been.

oh yeah. i carefully cut out the plastic on the blades and trimmed the cover to the canopy. so now my titan is all set up with stock equipment.

current setup is as follows.

lingo 9 4400kv motor with 10t
hobbywing 40a esc opto
castle creations 10a bec
hs55 on cyclic
hs65hb tail servo (temporary till the 9257 arrives)
key-tech hh gyro. ( temporary till the logitech arrives)

I took the mini titan out today with a friend who also flys. on the first pack i pretty much hovered around but on the second pack i hit the idle up and really took her for a spin. flys beautiful.. i did one flip and one roll. . not bad considering the hs55 is on the cyclic. my LHS have the hs55 for 10 bucks apiece.

that's funny- I started the Gazaur out with HS-55s because I had them on the bench. Worked ok for first flights, too.

the hs55 do buzz brand new out of the box. i just plugged them in the receiver not attached to anything and they buzz. not too bad and they go away and come back. no big deal because they are performing well at this point. they'll probably strip easy with even the lightest of crashes. no big deal there either because they're only 10 bucks. i got six ready to rock and roll.!. so yeah i'm gonna bring it with the titan.

LOL, I didn't manage to strip any, but I've heard the stories. For the price, hey- a gear set for the 3153s costs almost that much.

i went over to dave's (owner of mars480.com) and went to a retention pond to go flying. i had my titan with me and dave bought along 2 mars 480 and a poisedon. i did a bunch of rolls and flips. the titan rolls pretty well with the hs55 but the flips was not so good. almost bite the dirt after a flip but due to the powerful lingo 9 motor i was able to pull out of it easily. i so stoked today.. Dave has improved each time i have visit him. his gazuar helis looks absolutely beautiful. we had the same motor and two different helis and his weigh 100 grams more than my titan but his mars so considerably faster at very thing. his mars shoots up like a rocket i've never seen before. his mars will do circles around my titan. but that will soon change once my parts from helidirect gets here. gonna put the 500th motor with the gy401 and 9650. i have 3 hs65hb and will install them in the titan.

as for my sweet sweet mars480 i have a new scorpion 55a esc and the lingo 9. brand new logitech 2100t gyro and 9257 digital servo for tail control. all controlled with my brand new dx6i.[sm=regular_smile.gif]

Sounds good, noob . You're getting all kitted out.

The Gazaur and Mini Titan are completely different, for sure. With the 340 mm blades (or the 350 mm on mine) the Gaz is very responsive and keeps up with the MT in most things with similar power systems. My MiniT has a 4S setup with a Scorpion HK-2221-12 and 3153MG servos, though, so it's more powerful and responsive and a whole lot more precise (none of the vagueness the Gazaur has).

To be wholly honest, I'm thinking of retiring the Gazaur. It's wonderful to fly aerobatics with, and there's nothing anywhere near as pretty, but frankly I'm getting tired of dealing with the shortcomings. It stinks because I have probably a whole second Poseidon in parts, but I don't really trust it in hard flying any more. It was a beautiful design, but some of the manufacturing choices stank.

good feedback Os. yes the gazuar helis are pretty. what are some of the things you dont like about the design? Dave has got some close ties with Gazuar and feedback is essential to improving the design. Its because of owners like you that make the heli even better in the next generation of gazuar helis. It would be sad to lose you to the growing competition of helis available on the market. Dont give up on it just yet. There's not to many gazuar owners out there and your feedback about the heli would be lost forever.

I too almost give up on it. but if you look around what's available i dont think you can find a better value like the mars.

Dave has his all decked out with lights and strobes and the flybys are fantastic!

Noob, where do I start?

(all you MiniT folks, I apologize, but I hope I've posted enough about the MT that you'll be ok with the digression )

-the flybar control rods have molded threads for the ball links to screw on to, but in manufacturing, the metal never fills the ends completely, so there are only a few threads to hold the links on. I bought a few replacements looking for one that was fully molded, but no dice.
-the link ends that screw on the flybar control rods are the wrong length in the box. The manual has instructions to cut them back to the size they should have been. How cheesy is that?
-none, and I mean none, of the links fit correctly on the balls, including the large "pawn" pieces on the flybar. Nobody makes a reamer that big, so you have to sacrifice a part to make a reamer to make the links the right size.
-the upper frame has no support on the lower side between the boom clamp and the hub tower, so it spreads and the gyro tray slides around and the frame squirms in flight.
-the boom clamps are made from an alloy that is way too stiff. Follow the instructions in the manual to spread them when installing the boom and they will break. Period. Don't follow the instructions, be very cautious with them, and sometimes they don't break if you're lucky.
-the model is advertised as having SSG frames. SSG is short for Silver Surfaced Graphite, i.e., silver-colored carbon fiber. It isn't- it's plain old fiberglass. Lying is bad.
-the plastic parts are too hard, too- if you haven't broken the tail pushrod brackets, it's because you've been lucky. They're fragile and break with the slightest pressure. Mine has pushrod supports from the Blade 400.
-the stickers that seal the flybar paddles have no overlap, so inevitably they come loose and you have an exciting landing with lots of sound effects from them flapping.
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-almost forgot- I've been through three main rotor hubs (the part that holds the feathering pivot and the flybar ball), and not one of them has spun true- every one has wobbled. Maybe there's a special assembly method that I don't know about, that will get it to line up correctly and spin straight- but why would I want to learn it, when the rest of my helis hubs line up and work right when you bolt them together? The cheapo plastic heads don't always, but the Gazaur helis aren't cheap, or plastic.
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Back on topic (I think), I've had the Mini Titan and Gazaur for the same length of time, but I've been flying the MiniT for a month longer. The Poseidon is drop-dead gorgeous when it's sitting still, and majestic in the air; it's a beautiful design, and I love the geared tail and MFS head, because it is crazy maneuverable at a low head speed and I like that. But....

In the same time that I've replaced half of my Poseidon, mostly from design problems or parts failures (including a feathering shaft that just broke in the center and ejected the main rotors at about 2600 RPM), the only parts I've had to replace from failures on the MT were the ones I broke when I hit the dirt at about 40mph a couple weeks ago. The Poseidon is very responsive for aero, but so is the MiniT; the Poseidon won't hold a steady hover without constant control input, while the MiniT and Dragonus will park in the air and just sit there. And both of them are just as powerful as the Gazaur.

Sticking with the Mini Titan since that's the thread we're on, and since Gazaur should be as concerned about how their heli stacks up against the competition as how pretty it is- the Mini Titan is just as responsive as the Gazaur off center, but the Gaz is ultimately more maneuverable because with the MFS head, you can put in full collective and full cyclic without binding, where the MiniT will start to bang head parts together if you do that. But with a little skill (or radio programming) I can keep that from happening, and then I can fly the E325 just as hard as the Gazaur, and I don't have to deal with any of the above.

If someone walked into my shop and said, which one is the best if I want to go out and fly hard this weekend, it would be the Gazaur. If he said I want to fly hard this weekend, and still be able to fly next weekend, it would be the Mini Titan or Dragonus because they're just as powerful without the drawbacks. I like flying the Gazaur because I've worked through its shortcomings, but I'll never advise anyone else to buy one.

i agree with you Os. some of the parts on the mars kit is really puzzling. you shouldnt have to cut the ball links end to size. they should of made the short ones. i have build a total of 4 kits and none was as difficult and lenthy as the mars. hopefully they are aware of these issues and will improve or risk getting drowned in the sea of ever growing electric heli available today. Helis should be more of a performance bliss then just eye candy.

ok. now back to the subject of my darling mini titan....i'm trying to find the perfect blades for it. I'm going with the JGF 500Th 3380kv motor and plan on sticking the 13t with it. the motor draws 36 amps and i have the hobbywing 40a esc which would be perfect for the motor. Do the spacers they have for titan work well? this one....

http://www.readyheli.com/TTRPV0829_R.../ttrpv0829.htm

i dont think the stock blades are meant for 3d. i want to try the align blades but the blade grips are too big for the blades. i see alot of potential in my new heli. It was a joy to fly it today. i have a cheap key-tech gyro on the tail for it and it just plain sucks at holding the tail.

and one more thing... is there any tail servo bracket other then the cheap plastic ones from the stock? i would like a little metal so adjusting the servo placement on the boom a little easier.

Noob, I'm sorry, but I doubt Gazaur will ever bring out another helicopter. They missed too many things with this one. It's great if you work through all the problems, but helis like the Titan don't have the issues the Gazaurs do and fly just as well. If you have an in with Gazaur, then forward my comments verbatim. Maybe Yu-yu will take note.

The motor doesn't draw 36 amps. The spec means the motor will handle 36 amps without destructing, but how much it draws depends on how you load it. Put a 35A ESC and a 12T pinion on the 500TH and you'll be set.

went to the park this morning with my titan. shot a short vid. seems like all i can get with this motor (lingo 9 4400kv) is 4 minutes in idle up. shortly after this vid i checked out the heli and the plastic on the stock blades ripped. i knew those stock blades were no good for 3d.[]. only after 20 flights they rip. gotta got the radix blades.! also found my slow piro rate problem. the key-tech gyro wasnt giving enough throw. so i threw the gy401 on and it piros like a bat out of hell! dang it. even with no crashes with it..I still gotta replace parts. stupid stock blades.

i havnt flown it yet with the gy401 yet. only test hover and piro tests. I do have a question about my gy401. it now flashes 2 short flashes what does this mean? not sure if its a problem but the tail is still holding solid with the flashes. do i have a problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PxXKYJp1W0

using the key-tech gyro in this vid. notice how my nose would drift to the right always? it especially suck trying to do 3d with it.

If the GY isn't putting up a solid light it isn't initializing in heading hold/avcs mode. Make sure your trims aren't way far off center, and then, if you're using Spektrum gear, put everything into fail-safe positions, including the gyro at heading hold, and rebind the receiver.

i think its ok now. thanks Os. i just installed the 500th motor today. the tail is now holding solid. except under extreme punchouts. i think that due to the 65hb's for tail servo. i'm using the 13t for pinion at the moment. that is working well. it also has the superskids on it. but i like the look of the stock landing skids. i have a set and will put them back on. cant wait till her again tommorrow.

Im just getting started flying my mini titan...
Every time i fly it there it shakes in the air sometimes its violent and sometimes its not. The blades are in track and balanced. The flybar paddles look to be in the same position.
Whats going on?