ParkZone conversion to Warbird Q&A
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I have a F-27B ParkZone. I also have a Cub ParkZone.
The F-27 has a 480 straight drive motor and the cub has a 370 motor gear box.
I have this plane.
I am wanting to use one of the two ParkZone Electronics to get this plane in the air.
I also need to know what size and type prop would be best fit for this plane.
The Cal is not done because I need to know which way to go with the power plant. I was told a .25 should fly it nicely but thats a nitro engine. Due to the Cal not being huled it adds a little weight, so the plane I am thinking will come out a few oz'es shy of the total it is now.
I have the full set of electronics from the ParkZone planes that could make this plan RTF if they will work.
I did simply try taping the motor from the F-27 to the front and see how well it would pull. It only pulled the plane forward never moved though. One prob I think thats the cause of this is because it's such a small prop used on the foamy F-27.
I'm not sure this will even work but it would be nice if I could get some feedback.
Eric
The F-27 has a 480 straight drive motor and the cub has a 370 motor gear box.
I have this plane.
I am wanting to use one of the two ParkZone Electronics to get this plane in the air.
I also need to know what size and type prop would be best fit for this plane.
The Cal is not done because I need to know which way to go with the power plant. I was told a .25 should fly it nicely but thats a nitro engine. Due to the Cal not being huled it adds a little weight, so the plane I am thinking will come out a few oz'es shy of the total it is now.
I have the full set of electronics from the ParkZone planes that could make this plan RTF if they will work.
I did simply try taping the motor from the F-27 to the front and see how well it would pull. It only pulled the plane forward never moved though. One prob I think thats the cause of this is because it's such a small prop used on the foamy F-27.
I'm not sure this will even work but it would be nice if I could get some feedback.
Eric
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The "electronics" from either the F27 or the Cub can be used, but the F27 will need the jumper changes for a conventional tail. By "electronics" I mean transmitter, receiver/controller and servos. However, neither motor drive will work. The F27 is set up as a pusher: you would need to reverse the motor and if you already used the motor as a pusher, the brushes may become damaged if you reverse the motor. The Cub's motor and drive are designed to keep the very light (15oz) Cub in the air, but without much extra power. Your plane, with all of the electronics and motor, will be twice that weight. You will need a considerably more powerful motor/drive and larger battery than the Cub's. You probably need to consider the powerplant from the PZ Mustang for this plane.
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Thanks for the response. Yea I changed the jumper settings on the F-27 and reversed wired the motor.
The motor has been ran for push yet I have never even flown it over 5mins very tops the motor and all have seen.
I dont know if your talking about the parkzone P51 or another brand but the F-27 has the same motor (480) as the P51. The P51 one does how ever have a gear box with that motor.
It would be (to me) a shame to have to buy all new this and that far as the electronics go to get this bird in the air.
If the motor wont work thats ok I just need to know what to use to make this work and what prop size oh and what battery to upgrade to. I'm running Ni-mh 1000 8.4v 7cell batt now and I have three of them brand new.
Still up in the air about this project....
Eric
The motor has been ran for push yet I have never even flown it over 5mins very tops the motor and all have seen.
I dont know if your talking about the parkzone P51 or another brand but the F-27 has the same motor (480) as the P51. The P51 one does how ever have a gear box with that motor.
It would be (to me) a shame to have to buy all new this and that far as the electronics go to get this bird in the air.
If the motor wont work thats ok I just need to know what to use to make this work and what prop size oh and what battery to upgrade to. I'm running Ni-mh 1000 8.4v 7cell batt now and I have three of them brand new.
Still up in the air about this project....
Eric
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personlally i would get all new electronics to put in there... parkzone electronics are really only good from parkzone planes good luck if you decide to do this
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I've found the PZ electronics to be fine for what you're doing. 27MHZ systems aren't the greatest, but the setup made for the PZ planes is pretty good for for a park flyer. I'm using one in my Slow Stick.
you didn't give the demintions on the plane you're building, but it at a guess I'd say its too big for the Piper's 370 motor and 5:1 gearing. The F27b uses a 480 motor, which would be fine, however it's also a very light plane, so a gear box and new prop will be needed.
Your best option would be a P51's gearbox, however the motor would need a pinion gear, and the f27's shaft is splined, so your best and easiest bet is to just buy a p51 motor and gearbox, and the P51's prop. Or for that matter, any 400 size motor and 3:1 gearbox should do, the PZ's would just be the easiest to wire.
you didn't give the demintions on the plane you're building, but it at a guess I'd say its too big for the Piper's 370 motor and 5:1 gearing. The F27b uses a 480 motor, which would be fine, however it's also a very light plane, so a gear box and new prop will be needed.
Your best option would be a P51's gearbox, however the motor would need a pinion gear, and the f27's shaft is splined, so your best and easiest bet is to just buy a p51 motor and gearbox, and the P51's prop. Or for that matter, any 400 size motor and 3:1 gearbox should do, the PZ's would just be the easiest to wire.
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yah with what im looking at you will want to upgrade your parkzone battery pack and get the p51 motor and gear box... that should pretty much do it for you but just take it easy the first couple times around
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Well I grabbed a new .25, receiver and some servos guess I'm going to make it happen this way.
I am Glassing the cowl now and the cg seems to be good.
I make exhaust system for rc cars/trucks and so now that I am into planes I decided to make one for the .25. Should help me with the CG a bit since the Slimline exhaust is kinda heavy (and a poor performance design). The guy I grabbed the new 25 from thru in a Slimline pitts exhaust and it ended up being for an FP. So I guess I'll be throwing that thing on eBay
While I'm here I might as well explain a prob I am having with this plane tho...
I grabbed a Airtronics Trans and Rec. It has a Ch27 tx and rx and works fine. I have a Futaba receiver with a matching Futaba sports trans to go into the P-30 it's on ch48 with Dual Conversion futaba crystals. Both work fine. Problem is if I take the 48 Tx and throw it in the Airtronics Trans the Futaba Rec jitters the servos badly and loses signal 5 foot away.
I tried all options and what I came up with is that if I take the Ch27 Crystal and use it in either Rec all works well no probs but If I try to use the Ch48 in any way other than in the Futaba Rec and Futaba Sports Trans it acts all crazy. I guess what I am asking is WHY? and can I just buy another matching Ch27 for the futaba receiver so that I can run both planes from the Airtronics as like I said when I throw in the Ch27 crystal into the Futaba Rec it works fine with the Airtronics Trans. I guess I am just afraid there is something different about the Ch27 crystals that I don't know about and need to make sure I get the exact same thing I have thats working right now. Man I hope you guys can follow all that LOL.
BTW heres some pics of the exhaust I made for the P-30...
I had to remove the engine for the glassing so I just throw a rubber band to hold the exhaust on to give the idea.
I am Glassing the cowl now and the cg seems to be good.
I make exhaust system for rc cars/trucks and so now that I am into planes I decided to make one for the .25. Should help me with the CG a bit since the Slimline exhaust is kinda heavy (and a poor performance design). The guy I grabbed the new 25 from thru in a Slimline pitts exhaust and it ended up being for an FP. So I guess I'll be throwing that thing on eBay
While I'm here I might as well explain a prob I am having with this plane tho...
I grabbed a Airtronics Trans and Rec. It has a Ch27 tx and rx and works fine. I have a Futaba receiver with a matching Futaba sports trans to go into the P-30 it's on ch48 with Dual Conversion futaba crystals. Both work fine. Problem is if I take the 48 Tx and throw it in the Airtronics Trans the Futaba Rec jitters the servos badly and loses signal 5 foot away.
I tried all options and what I came up with is that if I take the Ch27 Crystal and use it in either Rec all works well no probs but If I try to use the Ch48 in any way other than in the Futaba Rec and Futaba Sports Trans it acts all crazy. I guess what I am asking is WHY? and can I just buy another matching Ch27 for the futaba receiver so that I can run both planes from the Airtronics as like I said when I throw in the Ch27 crystal into the Futaba Rec it works fine with the Airtronics Trans. I guess I am just afraid there is something different about the Ch27 crystals that I don't know about and need to make sure I get the exact same thing I have thats working right now. Man I hope you guys can follow all that LOL.
BTW heres some pics of the exhaust I made for the P-30...
I had to remove the engine for the glassing so I just throw a rubber band to hold the exhaust on to give the idea.
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that is your problem NEVER mix transmitter brands they dont match up good even if they are the same channel i cant explain why but your not going to have good responses when mixing recievers and transmitters... suprisingley i have the exact same transmitter... MHZ and CHannel just stick with the reciever for that its small enough and it should work fine remember messing with planes is always fun but at a time it gets to be too much and you have to start over with a new plane just watch out wouldnt want for you to buy a new plane. Good luck though!
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Yea I found out about the Channel mixing with other brands yesterday after enough research 
But I did learn something thats music to my hears.
The Airtronics Trans I have (RD6000) Will work with all brand Receivers, Forward (AirT/JR and Revers (HiTech/Futaba) but in order to use a new Crystal CH the radio has to be re-tuned so the bottom line I learned is I can run all my planes off this one controller as long as they all have the same channel (second part obvious). The rule that you can not mix up radio brands/equipment is slowly starting to fade with Transmitters coming out like this one. The Manual said something about it working with other Models in PPM-Rev Mode but it wasn't very clear on it. I then researched and tried and tested it, it's a great feature and also nice that with each model I program into the controller can be set up for it's own receiver style: PPM-FM, PCM1, PCM2 and PPM-FM-Rev <--- for Futaba and Hitech. No changing Modes from plane to plane.
IDK I thought it was nice.

But I did learn something thats music to my hears.
The Airtronics Trans I have (RD6000) Will work with all brand Receivers, Forward (AirT/JR and Revers (HiTech/Futaba) but in order to use a new Crystal CH the radio has to be re-tuned so the bottom line I learned is I can run all my planes off this one controller as long as they all have the same channel (second part obvious). The rule that you can not mix up radio brands/equipment is slowly starting to fade with Transmitters coming out like this one. The Manual said something about it working with other Models in PPM-Rev Mode but it wasn't very clear on it. I then researched and tried and tested it, it's a great feature and also nice that with each model I program into the controller can be set up for it's own receiver style: PPM-FM, PCM1, PCM2 and PPM-FM-Rev <--- for Futaba and Hitech. No changing Modes from plane to plane.
IDK I thought it was nice.



