PAW 033
10-09-2011 | 05:15 AM
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PAW 033
It came home at last Fiery did a super job, piston and liner replaced with parts supplied by David Owen ( his card enclosed) plus a few spares acorn prop nut. rear drive washer, extra needle for carb, Fiery spent a few hours setting up and running in smooth as silk, easily started with a few hand flips, just holding in my hand a few drops down the carb of fuel
contra piston and compression screw smooth as silk, this is the one I messed up by being overhanded, bent the rod, then broke the piston trying to remove the wrist pin.
maybe an other short bench run ( really may not need it) then into a little park flyer. giving a lot of thought to the Ripmax Coyote power glider which came with a electric motor and 6 inch folding prop the 033 swings a 7x4 ,this is a easy conversion since all balsa slab side , easy new fire wall install and tons of room for a little tank the the throttle server when that big brick of a nicad battery gone martin
typo it is PAW 55
contra piston and compression screw smooth as silk, this is the one I messed up by being overhanded, bent the rod, then broke the piston trying to remove the wrist pin.
maybe an other short bench run ( really may not need it) then into a little park flyer. giving a lot of thought to the Ripmax Coyote power glider which came with a electric motor and 6 inch folding prop the 033 swings a 7x4 ,this is a easy conversion since all balsa slab side , easy new fire wall install and tons of room for a little tank the the throttle server when that big brick of a nicad battery gone martin
typo it is PAW 55
10-09-2011 | 08:02 PM
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RE: PAW 033
What fuel are you using for your PAW 55?
Just got one from Carlson Imports, couldn't get it to fire on home brew rec in the PAW instructions
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Pete Johnson
Toledo, Ohio
Just got one from Carlson Imports, couldn't get it to fire on home brew rec in the PAW instructions
Thanks
Pete Johnson
Toledo, Ohio
10-09-2011 | 08:39 PM
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They run fine on regular mixes, e.g. 25% castor, 35% ether, 1.5% IPN and the rest kerosene.
Prime the side of the piston only, to find the correct compression setting before hooking up a tank.
Prime the side of the piston only, to find the correct compression setting before hooking up a tank.
10-10-2011 | 02:10 PM
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Hi Martin,
That was no typo. The displacement in cubic inches is .033.
I've been considering another PAW 55 for small CL airplanes. The one I have in my collection is NIB, and has the beautiful red anodizing that is no longer included. Now I need a plain finished one to actually run.
Bill
That was no typo. The displacement in cubic inches is .033.
I've been considering another PAW 55 for small CL airplanes. The one I have in my collection is NIB, and has the beautiful red anodizing that is no longer included. Now I need a plain finished one to actually run.
Bill
10-10-2011 | 02:40 PM
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BILL THX knew it was .033CID strange they call it a 55model, but then again the 09s, 15,19,40 are the CID on the box too bad they dropped the
anodizing on the small ones made them stand out martin
I have an other 06 NIB but sadly plain aluminium but as long as it will run ok no big issue
This may be it was given this years ago rudder reads keilcraft, covering in tatters but structure OK other wing is in the back room somewheres
very light. looks like free flight but rudder and elevator can be modified for RCmight make a nice redo project, old, cowl is made of rolled thin plywood
for the 06PAW have no idea of vintage but most be up there in years
anodizing on the small ones made them stand out martin
I have an other 06 NIB but sadly plain aluminium but as long as it will run ok no big issue
This may be it was given this years ago rudder reads keilcraft, covering in tatters but structure OK other wing is in the back room somewheres
very light. looks like free flight but rudder and elevator can be modified for RCmight make a nice redo project, old, cowl is made of rolled thin plywood
for the 06PAW have no idea of vintage but most be up there in years
10-10-2011 | 03:55 PM
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Martin,
PAW has certainly confused most of us, with their model designations!
I think the lovely little 55 comes from the cc displacement (.55), and those have always carried that designation (as far as I know).
My four little ones are all older production, 55 BR (anodized), 80 TBR, 100 TBR, and strangely enough a 2.49 TBR of the same period. The 2.49 came in a 1.49 box, and that is the displacement I would have actually preferred, since I have plenty of 15 size engines already.
Yes, the anodizing dressed up the early engines nicely, and made it easier to tell the capacity at a glance. The quality of their previous anodizing must have been expensive though. so I can't blame them for dropping that feature.
The only one of my PAW engines that I've run so far is the 100, and it's a little gem, but still needs some run time. Somehow, I managed to over torque the nylon prop, and damaged the prop driver. It was set aside while waiting for a replacement.
Bill
PAW has certainly confused most of us, with their model designations!
I think the lovely little 55 comes from the cc displacement (.55), and those have always carried that designation (as far as I know).
My four little ones are all older production, 55 BR (anodized), 80 TBR, 100 TBR, and strangely enough a 2.49 TBR of the same period. The 2.49 came in a 1.49 box, and that is the displacement I would have actually preferred, since I have plenty of 15 size engines already.
Yes, the anodizing dressed up the early engines nicely, and made it easier to tell the capacity at a glance. The quality of their previous anodizing must have been expensive though. so I can't blame them for dropping that feature.
The only one of my PAW engines that I've run so far is the 100, and it's a little gem, but still needs some run time. Somehow, I managed to over torque the nylon prop, and damaged the prop driver. It was set aside while waiting for a replacement.
Bill
10-10-2011 | 04:03 PM
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Martin,
You must have been still editing your previous post, as I didn't see that cute little airplane when I first read it, and replied.
Don't know what model it might be, but it's very attractive. Would like to see it when you get around to putting it in the air where it belongs.
Bill
You must have been still editing your previous post, as I didn't see that cute little airplane when I first read it, and replied.
Don't know what model it might be, but it's very attractive. Would like to see it when you get around to putting it in the air where it belongs.
Bill
10-10-2011 | 05:01 PM
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Bill I was at the local HS a few years back and they had bought a large amount of model stuff engines planes etc in an estate sale and this was one of them
the owner said nobody is going to redo ( the ARF thing
is it now) this and was going to trash it, so he gave it to me,It well sealed wing mount glued to body, so I guess access to putting in servos
receiver and tank will be thru the windows and needsa new engine mount for the 06 PAW the installed one looks to be about a .10 engine size
anybody have an idea one the age?? Keilcraft made it a kit?? martin
LOCTITE 101 was posting when you were thx for the info wow goes back a few years and it shows a diesel with tank on engine hence solid firewall
wonder what engine that was?? Its very well put together all joints solid
the owner said nobody is going to redo ( the ARF thing
is it now) this and was going to trash it, so he gave it to me,It well sealed wing mount glued to body, so I guess access to putting in servos
receiver and tank will be thru the windows and needsa new engine mount for the 06 PAW the installed one looks to be about a .10 engine size
anybody have an idea one the age?? Keilcraft made it a kit?? martin
LOCTITE 101 was posting when you were thx for the info wow goes back a few years and it shows a diesel with tank on engine hence solid firewall
wonder what engine that was?? Its very well put together all joints solid
10-10-2011 | 05:26 PM
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Bill I was at the local HS a few years back and they had bought a large amount of model stuff engines planes etc in an estate sale and this was one of them
the owner said nobody is going to redo ( the ARF thing
is it now) this and was going to trash it, so he gave it to me,It well sealed wing mount glued to body, so I guess access to putting in servos
receiver and tank will be thru the windows and needsa new engine mount for the 06 PAW the installed one looks to be about a .10 engine size
anybody have an idea one the age?? Keilcraft made it a kit?? martin
LOCTITE 101 was posting when you were thx for the info wow goes back a few years and it shows a diesel with tank on engine hence solid firewall
wonder what engine that was?? Its very well put together all joints solid
Bill I was at the local HS a few years back and they had bought a large amount of model stuff engines planes etc in an estate sale and this was one of them
the owner said nobody is going to redo ( the ARF thing
is it now) this and was going to trash it, so he gave it to me,It well sealed wing mount glued to body, so I guess access to putting in servos
receiver and tank will be thru the windows and needsa new engine mount for the 06 PAW the installed one looks to be about a .10 engine size
anybody have an idea one the age?? Keilcraft made it a kit?? martin
LOCTITE 101 was posting when you were thx for the info wow goes back a few years and it shows a diesel with tank on engine hence solid firewall
wonder what engine that was?? Its very well put together all joints solid
the engine shown is an ED Bee. These were a very popular small free flight diesel (1 cc or 0.06 ci capacity) in the anglosphere, possibly second only to the Mills range in popularity. They are still available on ebay UK, but clapped out rather quickly.
I think I could find a plan for the model. They are still being built as free flight assist models in Australia and the UK. A friend of mine has a kit, they were still being sold into the 1990's IIRC.
Ray
10-10-2011 | 05:49 PM
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LOCTITE101 I just checked and my Sharma 09 is a drop in fit on the mount, so a little more punch for thee weight, it is fiited with a PAW stack,
The OS 10LA or TT10 davis heads would fit but the muffler would mess up that nice cowl martin
I think the orginal owner used an engine larger than 06 due to the engine mount
The OS 10LA or TT10 davis heads would fit but the muffler would mess up that nice cowl martin
I think the orginal owner used an engine larger than 06 due to the engine mount
10-10-2011 | 05:57 PM
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LOCTITE101 I just checked and my Sharma 09 is a drop in fit on the mount, so a little more punch for thee weight, it is fiited with a PAW stack,
The OS 10LA or TT10 davis heads would fit but the muffler would mess up that nice cowl martin
I think the orginal owner used an engine larger than 06 due to the engine mount
LOCTITE101 I just checked and my Sharma 09 is a drop in fit on the mount, so a little more punch for thee weight, it is fiited with a PAW stack,
The OS 10LA or TT10 davis heads would fit but the muffler would mess up that nice cowl martin
I think the orginal owner used an engine larger than 06 due to the engine mount
The ED Bee details are given here.
http://www.modelenginenews.org/cardfile/edb.html
No doubt a modern slighty larger diesel would make it fly better as I believe they tend to be tail heavy.
Ray
10-10-2011 | 06:49 PM
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Here's where a double size ladybird can be found. Scroll 3/4 of the way down once there:
http://www.sparclaser.com.au/sparc_a...catalogue.html
Could be a nice project for vintage style R/C assist.
http://www.sparclaser.com.au/sparc_a...catalogue.html
Could be a nice project for vintage style R/C assist.
10-10-2011 | 10:30 PM
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Martin,
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the "Black Magic", and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. [
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The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the "Black Magic", and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. [
]The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
10-10-2011 | 11:40 PM
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Martin,
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the ''Black Magic'', and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. []
The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
Martin,
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the ''Black Magic'', and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. [
]The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
the plan I posted above is just a low resolution jpeg. You can download a fullsize scan pdf including parts pattern from:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=715
A similar fullsize scan of the "Black Magic" plan is also available. Most of the classic Aeromodeller/Model Aircraft plans are there.
See: http://www.outerzone.co.uk/ You do a search there for the models name.
Ray
10-10-2011 | 11:42 PM
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Martin,
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the ''Black Magic'', and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. []
The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
Martin,
Many of the early models (and full scale) airplane designs from England had great appeal, and a lot of them had great performance to match.
One of my favorites was also a FF design called the ''Black Magic'', and I still have the Aeromodeller issue it was presented in, with perhaps unrealistic hopes of ever building it some day. [
]The Lady Bird is one I'd never seen before, and I'm delighted that you gave us a picture of your soon to be restored example, and Ray provided us with the links to current kits, and plans. I'm not saying that I will ever build one, but I hope to see yours in flying condition one day. The new R/C gear is so light compared to what I flew over ten years ago, that I doubt weight would be a problem.
I realize that nostalgia is a very poor subsitute for the ambition to build these wonderful designs when they first appeared, but it's the best I can do at my age. R/C assist is about all I can hope for, as chasing wayward FF models is no longer viable.
Bill
the plan I posted above is just a low resolution jpeg. You can download a fullsize scan pdf including parts pattern from:
http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=715
A similar fullsize scan of the "Black Magic" plan is also available. Most of the classic Aeromodeller/Model Aircraft plans are there.
See: http://www.outerzone.co.uk/ You do a search there for the models name.
Ray
10-11-2011 | 01:16 PM
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Hi Ray,
Thanks for the links.
I spent a lot of time browsing that site, and looking for old favorites. Terrific collection of plans, and priced right as well.
I've added that site to my favorites list, and must finish browsing there soon, but when I have more time.
Bill
Thanks for the links.
I spent a lot of time browsing that site, and looking for old favorites. Terrific collection of plans, and priced right as well.
I've added that site to my favorites list, and must finish browsing there soon, but when I have more time.
Bill
