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Old 01-15-2012 | 04:38 PM
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1 page and you are sick of this topic... wait till it hits 30 or 40..

Two things about gas ignition kill switches.
1.) you're a darn stupid nincompoop for not using one.
2.) you're a darn stupid nincompoop for using one.

Take your pick.. I use one for the ability to kill a runaway engine, such as one time last summer when a muffler bolt fell off the plane... I could not slow down enough to land. I lined up for final, almost on the ground and killed the engine. Perfect result.

I use the kill switch each and every time to kill the engine after taxi'ng back then turn off the manual switch. I also have a choke switch, but that is not fool proof in killing engine in cold weather and you may flood engine in warm weather.
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I am sure I said something wrong, so go for it.
You pretty much got that right
Just one question. Why wouldn't your throttle cut your engine?
Do you remove the idle screw and have your pushrod set up so that it closes completely and is your carb worn so badly that the throttle is no longer sealing adequately?
My personal preference is to use the throttle to kill an engine if I have a choice. One of the fields I fly at pretty much requires any planes of 100cc and over to be landed "deadstick" - I use throttle to kill those on that field (by way of the throttle kill switch being set up).
Old 01-15-2012 | 05:10 PM
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Jim, I'm in the right boat. I have had all three method's plus an appropriate throttle set-up plus fail safe. And have never used anything other than throttle trim to shut down after landing. You took that the wrong way. It was meant as sarcasm. On nitro we don't have any mean's outside of failsafe, if turned on and only under certain circumstances. And such larger engine's as with the radial's the issue's are compareable (prop wise) to gas. Of course the little one's can do as much damage when not handled safely. Point is only a throttle servo is required to operate an engine, you know what I mean by only. Everything else is an option.
Yeah I know, on both counts! Option=choice.[sm=thumbs_up.gif]
We're good!

Amazing though isn't it, how we can make some statement and some go ballistic thinking wrongly it's 'must' or 'only' absolutes?


For Steve....your list is missing;

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Best/cheapest place to buy an NGK/CM-6 plug
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1 page and you are sick of this topic... wait till it hits 30 or 40..
Yeah, after 3-5 pages, we get to repeat everything all over again!
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Old 01-15-2012 | 05:11 PM
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I actually do count on the throttle servo to kill the engine. I have done my time doing circles until the glow fuel runs out because the servo died, of course, in the wide open position. I am not really sick of the topic. I just got the difference between the two methods answered. Also there are several more threads on the topic. Oh yeah, Pennzoil air cooled 32:1, Coleman fuel (you missed that one), 95 extended pos Dodge B2500, if the ribs are cooked right you don't need no sauce except what your drinkin'. Uh lets see one Gateway I built up, 2000 vintage server that needed a way too expensive box to fit in and a beater Intel 3.06 home built. Exhaust - usually. Brand zenoah 20 and 26, dle 20 and 30 , Evolution 26 and a Fox 3.2. Lets really crank it up. I use camp fuel cause gasoline stinks.
Old 01-15-2012 | 05:33 PM
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Yea, and I know that you like me post thing's more often for other's than who it is addressed to. As far as I know it's all an opinion. Sometime's even the fact's. LOL 
Have a good one.
Old 01-15-2012 | 06:04 PM
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LOL!

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Old 01-15-2012 | 06:16 PM
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What am I to do with my Saito twin 300 turning a 18x10 @8000rpm, when the throttle's stuck wide open, for whatever reason.It don't have an ignition or choke. lollollolLOL
Construct a fuel line pinch off like the R/C combat and pylon racers use. They're dead simple and pretty foolproof
Old 01-15-2012 | 08:58 PM
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Hi y'all,

I do not wish to hijack the thread. I just need to ask a question, as we use switch harness for turning on and off the receiver on the plane. For a gas engine can we use the same another switch harness for turning on and off the ignition? or do we have to buy some other engine kill switch?

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Old 01-15-2012 | 09:20 PM
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yes. Make sure to use the heavy-duty type (such as the MPI charging switch, around $15.00 per piece).
Old 01-15-2012 | 09:45 PM
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I use three methods to kill my engine.<div>
</div><div>Throttle</div><div>opto kill</div><div>the ground</div><div>
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</div><div>I'm moving to the ibec</div><div>so it will still be throttle</div><div>and ibec.</div><div>and the ground</div><div>
</div><div>I do not use a choke servo but if I did it would be a 4th.</div><div>
</div><div>pick at least two, please</div>
Old 01-15-2012 | 09:51 PM
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nonstoprc,

I bought Mpi MAXX switch harness, for around $10 stock # is 2470 and it says w/AWG 22 Wires for Hitec/JR, black and red wire is it it good?

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Old 01-16-2012 | 04:58 AM
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First I take out the idle screw and toss it in the trash... I set up my radio throttle curve to allow me to cut off the engine with trim. As happened, when the muffler is loose and hanging by one bolt, the engine went rich, and I could not go low enough with trim because of the low end point that I set. The solution for this problem is to drill and wire the muffler socket head bolts so vibration does not work the muffler bolts loose. The low end point of the throttle curve is just fine when there are no mechanical problems. As to the carb choke... I believe that I have a small air leak in the choke plate. I don't want to solder the hole closed...for a while, I used the choke/servos as an emergency kill, but it did not kill it every time. I still like having a choke servo combination... this is RC after all. The idea of doing everything remotely is an attraction to me. I would love to have a remote start (and will one day). I used to kill the gas engine with throttle trim, but having the kill switch makes it unnecessary and is also a test of the "emergency" kill switch on each flight. Using the kill switch saves me time adjusting the throttle trim before each flight.

I do think that having a kill switch makes flying safer and gives you one more option when things go wrong. A kill switch is not that much of a cost addition in my opinion. I understand but disagree with the other camp. When you get to 50 cc and larger, this small weight addition is of no concern. I will never have to fly my plane until the fuel runs out to land it. I absolutely believe in setting up the motor, linkages, radio fail safes and electronics correctly. Don't depend on any one system mechanical or electrical for an emergency. Do all you can to fly safely. You do need an available radio channel for this function.


ORIGINAL: aussiesteve
You pretty much got that right
Just one question. Why wouldn't your throttle cut your engine?
Do you remove the idle screw and have your pushrod set up so that it closes completely and is your carb worn so badly that the throttle is no longer sealing adequately?
My personal preference is to use the throttle to kill an engine if I have a choice. One of the fields I fly at pretty much requires any planes of 100cc and over to be landed ''deadstick'' - I use throttle to kill those on that field (by way of the throttle kill switch being set up).
Old 01-16-2012 | 05:28 AM
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The reason for remote engine kill switches is so that there are no witnesses. It is difficult to prove that someone killed an engine when it appears that no one was around when the engine died. It is also very hard to get your hands around a hot engine while it is running and choke it to death. Besides that, engines are made of steel or alunimum. I don't know of any human who can squeeze aluminum or steel, except for Superman ... and I haven't seen him around for years. Besides that, I think you would have a hard time getting him to choke your engine. He probably has better things to do. So, the best way to stop your engine is to kick it in the prop.
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So, the best way to stop your engine is to kick it in the prop.
Already tried that when the throttle trim would not kill the engine.

Still can not figure out why it did not work, It was only a 100cc engine and I had my flip flops on.

Well maybe better luck next time.


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Old 01-16-2012 | 12:28 PM
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OH BOY! 2 pages down only 28 more to go! Hey we could talk about what is the proper foot wear for flying planes with out an optical kill, choking, failsafe whatever kind of switch were you drinking beer when you stuck your foot out[X(] OOH another good subject, should we drink beer while flying gas engines without a kill switch in sandels at an AMA sanctioned club Sorry I'll be serious now[&o]
Old 01-16-2012 | 02:12 PM
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That is another couple of things I left off the list

Which brand of beer goes best with flying
What color flip flops do you wear when flying
Is beer or whiskey better to make an RC pilot stop talking cr-p and go to sleep (now where'sh the keysh to that cabinet - hic? sssnnnzzzzzz)

It is good to see the senses of humor coming out.
Old 01-16-2012 | 02:35 PM
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Yellow flip flops ... It makes the blood more visible. AND ... So you see how much damage you did.

Beer, whiskey, vodka, scotch ... whatever kills the pain. It's just like drinking and driving ... so it doesn't hurt as much when you crash, or put your foot in the way of a sharp prop!

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