vertical grimmace

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Wasn't the DA 50 a knockoff of the 3W? So I guess Americans are capable of the same behavior?

Cheap foreign products are the only thing keeping americans from realizing how little the dollar is worth. For many, if it were not for these products, they would not be able to afford to live. As soon as China starts to clean up it's environment, and install labor unions, the S*** will hit the fan for many working families here. There will be a day of reckoning at some point.

GerKonig

Here we go again...

Ronnie Reagan

erik valdez

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No pissing match here, you buy whatever you want to, just people stating their opinions. I've been in this hobby long enough to see the shift from American made to who cares, well its me, I'm the one who still cares. You guys buy what you like from where you like, Ill keep my quality items.

Truckracer

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I own engines from the USA, Japan, Canada, Taiwan and yes, China. So far, China would be just a recent and minority player in the mix. Every one of these engines, and some are quite old, have components or materials from other countries so if I chose to own only 100% American engines, I wouldn't own any engines at all!

I predict that one day soon, the shift will be away from China to a yet to be determined source. Probably back home wherever home happens to be. Then the discussion (some call it a pissing match) will be about the development problems of those then new products.

About pissing matches ..... I prefer to call them discussions and not all discussions have to end with agreements. Sorry if some don't like or agree with that. Back to this discussion, my point is that not all products from China are junk as some would have us believe.

vertical grimmace

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Maybe we will see a shift of manufacturing back to Detroit! I bet the few inhabitants of that wasteland will work pretty cheap now.

I guess I will just buy Fox and DA. Then I will get a better nights sleep.

erik valdez

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I'm a 3W guy, so German for me.

Granpooba

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Well, I use to be in the same boat with you. Always believed in purchasing American made products. But after doing a lot of research, I started finding out that most of these American made products are not made within the boarders of the USA anymore.

Given examples are Harley Davidson motorcycles. Many of the parts come from Japan and most of their accessories are made in Taiwan.

Chrysler just got bought out by Fiat. Guess what they named their new company ? You are correct if you said " Fiat Chrysler " !

Finally, always believed in and have owned General Motors vehicles. Until my last Chevrolet TrailBlazer. Never had a vehicle that had so many problems and failures. Even had transmission cooling lines rust away that were up in the engine compartment. Now tell me how does aluminum or stainless steel rust ? Company would not stand behind it and dealership only stated " well we don't make them, we only REPAIR them ".

My wife had a Hyundai Tucson. In five years of ownership she put 180,000 miles on that Tucson. She only replaced timing belts, which was a required maintenance item, one set of rear brakes and one rear wheel bearing. Well we traded the Tucson and that junk Chevrolet and guess what new vehicle is in our garage ? Yes Sir, you are correct again if you said a new " HYUNDAI " !

American made is not American made anymore. Hell, America is not even close to being the country that it used to be !

jefflangton

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Ok, try a dle and see what you've been missing

vertical grimmace

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Change indeed! I find it hard to bleed red, white, and blue, When the red, white, and blue, is bleeding me.

cloud_9

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Or maybe since the OP was ridiculed, attacked, and and blamed, without even asking about whether he may have overtightened the plug, he realized what a joke it is to try and get help here. I rarely visit RCU. I wonder if it's always like this. He did get some good advice about the air leak, but by that time, I'm sure he was long gone, as I would have been.

Go back and read the thread from the OP's first post. You'll see what I mean, I think.

Jim

irocbsa

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I did read it again and it's typical of hundreds of other threads that stink of trolling on this site. The post is meant to be inflammatory by trashing a particular brand, no advice is sought, a shameless plug is made for another brand, and the guy disappears. People get excited defending or trashing their brand of choice and the thread gets closed. Those type of posts don't do anyone any good but they incessantly pop up, often from people with very low post counts who haven't contributed anything of value thus far. i.e. Trolling. Yeah, unfortunately, it always is like this.

cloud_9

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No, I believe it wasn't a troll, wasn't posted to trash DLE in the sense you suggest. It was a guy who felt he had a problem whether he was wrong or the cause of it or not. The only thing wrong with him was thinking this was a good place to get help. If he had a low post count, it would just suggest that he is inexperienced and really needed the help, and was perhaps drawing conclusions about DLE without enough experience to judge whether it was DLE's fault. In other words, he needed help.

I don't know what kind of hostile, suspicious glasses some of the posters here are viewing the world through, but it sure makes this a rough crowd.

Jim

Truckracer

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The original OP never asked a question which left the thread to flounder in most any direction. It was just a "vent" about DL and DLE engines and in fact could have been considered a troll by some. The issues mentioned in the OP were discussed and common fixes were suggested. I would say his "non-questions" were dealt with quickly and directly.

From there, the troll aspect of the OP took over and with the usual "all products made in China are junk" people chimed in and fired up a spirited discussion. A quite typical discussion in most any forum, RCU or otherwise. Regarding RCU in general, I frequent several online forums though I only participate in three. I firmly believe that RCU has as much to offer or even more than most of these forums. RCU lacks the snob factor of some forums and answers here tend to be more to the point. On another forum, just about every engine question regarding a non-DA product is answered by "you should have bought a DA" and I will leave off where the threads degrade from there. At least here the questions get answered!

The only sad thing I can mention about RCU is that after the software upgrades last summer, many of the regular participants seem to have disappeared and I don't see them elsewhere. Maybe they are just lurking out there and uncomfortable with the new format.

Granpooba

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DITTO !!!!

K-Bob

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There are many bargains to be had. I just saved over $200 on my new Iphone.

GerKonig

Funny thing to read people that only buy American and are using a Chinese monitor, mouse, and keyboard, and a computer that is only assembled (partially) here.

And now the meat industry is spending a lot of $$$ paying lobbyist to buy politicians because they do not want to label the county of origin of the meat you are eating. Do you really think al the beef and poultry you eat is US produced? You will be surprised when that "little dark secret" comes out...

A lot of people live in a bubble, in a country that does not exist anymore except in their minds... I always say, reality is open, come in, we have cookies...

Gerry

kmeyers

PNP electrics LOL
+ 1

My DLE 20cc weighs 29ozs. My Zenoah 20cc weighs 41ozs. I don't use it as a paper weight, but, it is heavy for it's size and power.

You vote with your dollars. I own 1 Zenoah and 5 DLE's.

Granpooba

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Chocolate Chip ? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, best offer I've had today.

thepamster

I have a DLE55RA. Fine engine. So whats your point? No reason to bash Zenoahs which I have some running over 20 years. Various engines have their applications.

Truckracer

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I couldn't agree more! The DLE is great for many airplanes but I would never try to shoehorn it into the short cowl of my Zero. Plus that airplane needs the weight up front. Its all about what works for a particular application. I'm very thankful we have the wide selection of engines to choose from regardless of where they come from.

captinjohn

And now the meat industry is spending a lot of $$$ paying lobbyist to buy politicians because they do not want to label the county of origin of the meat you are eating. Do you really think al the beef and poultry you eat is US produced? You will be surprised when that "little dark secret" comes out...
Sure would like to hear more about were the beef & poultry we eat in the USA is produced. Maybe others would like to know also. Thanks

vertical grimmace

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yes, those user friendly heavy mag engines are great. I have a bunch of them. One less battery to trouble me, and they always run.

When I was growing up, everyone bashed Japanese products, now we bash somebody elses products. I learned to fly with an OS max .40 FSR, because it worked better than the other offerings at the time, for a reasonable price. Same thing now, we just have more choices.

I have been running a DL 50 now since 2005, no problems. If I did, I would not use it and buy something else. Will it work in 20 years? I bet it will if I can keep it out of the dirt.

GerKonig

I am sure you do. We all do. Two days ago I read about this, and the meat packing industry is defending not identifying the source stating (their lawyers) that it would be too costly to properly identify the source at the packing plant. So, they are admitting that it is coming from other places. Yes I was wondering about this long time ago. Years back I did work on a investigation and I learned that we import a lot of beef from Canada. We import stuff from New Zeland and Australia (the lamb I buy here, in PA) If we buy all kind of stuff abroad, many times I wonder how much poultry we eat is coming from abroad (and from where). I know time back they purchased beef from Argentina (no problem there, that is good stuff), but the problem is that the inspections in some places abroad are not as good as ours, and some countries better not even think about conditions. And let's face it, we can only spot check that stuff...

Maybe it is time to go to Google and find out...

Gerry

GerKonig

My fears are proven. We are eating Hobby King chicken. Here is the link. http://www.theatlantic.com/china/arc...-china/280123/

No surprise these b s t r d s do not want to print the source on the package. I would pay more for local poultry, and not buy the asian poultry. But remember, their food is everywhere. They are allowed to import processed meats also. I saw puddings (at a local grocery store) made in China, and that is OK, maybe in the pudding they hide some radioactive material they want to dump safely. That is OK, but the meat? I mean as of today, the Amish market is getting all my business...

Gerry

Truckracer

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I tend to agree! I don't mind buying a piece of steel or aluminum processed into something called an engine from China ...... but when it comes to food, I think I'll have to draw a line that's not to be crossed.

Several years ago, my pet food brand of choice started coming with a label that stated that some ingredients were from China. This was about the same time there were warnings all over the news about bad pet foods. I changed brands immediately.

This time as they have opened the doors further for Chinese foods, I have heard very little about the change in US policy. Seems the watch dogs think more of their pets than they did grandma or their kids!! Yup, things that make a person want to go Hmmmmmmmmmm!