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Rcpilet, why are you editing this? This was a clean debate....

About time, sheesh!

I do have one suggestion that I think would make the chart a bit more "real world" - either standardize the muffler weight, or ONLY include STOCK muffler weights. For instance, if you aren't using a heavy 12oz can with the MVVS 45, but use the stock Evolution/MVVS pitts, you drop the total weight, all other things being equal, by about 4.5 oz., which puts its weight around 3.8-3.9 lbs. That's a lot of weight (and a good bit of power loss too, for that engine).

At least you do include the weight of each specific item, so that way people can easily adjust their all-up weights themselves.

That new Brillelli 46 is a beast... $355 for 50cc power at pretty much the lightest weight out of the bunch... can't beat it! What's up with this rear exhaust version??? I need to see that.


You do a great job for the community aerobob! Keep it up and thank you!

This has made my research into gassers so much easier. I hate that manufacturers do stupid crap like what aerobob mentioned. It just makes it harder for customers to figure out what the hell they're looking at.

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Jeez dude it was just an idea. I've done nothing but applaud your efforts so not sure where this came from.

You are rude and abusive. As I wrote ealier, if you publish something, anything!, be prepared for critique - if you can't handle it, keep the date on your own harddrive.

These guys here are actually making suggestions how to improve your chart. If you just want "oh that's nice" - go show it to your mommy.

My apologies to all. I have deleted what content under my signature as I could.
The link is there for those who want to view it.

Bob, what you are missing here is the opportunity to make your chart even better. I am not bashing your effort, and as far as I can no-one else is.

Take the suggestion here any way you like, but I guess you didn't make this chart for yourself to look at, but for the benefit of other. If other could benefit even more from the chart with slight changes, wouldn't you think it was great if someone told you what those changes might be?

That is the most disrespectful jab I've ever seen thrown at someone that has spent his own time trying to help someone out. If he held the door for you at a restaurant, would you freak out if he didn't also seat you?

This is bordering on getting shut down.

Do you guys really want me to just shut it down? There's good documentation here and it's not skewed like the information you get from a manufacturer.

Aerobob decided to post a link to his documented engine weights and prices. Thats all it is. Weights and prices with standardized accesories. You can use it in your decision making process' or you can ignore it. If you have a different engine and you have honest documented numbers--send Aerobob an email and see if he wants to update the chart.

If you want a chart based on performance numbers of the motors in his chart--then go buy all of them and test them. Post a link if you want to share the info on RCU.

Can't believe you guys are knitpicking him about a few grams difference between muffler A and muffler B. And I can't believe some of you have the audacity to slam hgim for not posting performance numbers. Maybe if your nice, he'll mount them all on a test stand and post performance numbers in some standardized fashion.

Somehow, I doubt that will make you happy and you'll find a way to start another argument about those numbers.

Clean it up.
First and last warning, or you can say Bye-Bye to this thread.

aerobob your effort is much appreciated bro.

keep up the good work.


Ahmed

Sic 'em, Chris

Chris,

Let it run for a bit. I don't think there is any harm being done, especially with the muffler arguement since a few engines don't have a "stock" muffler when they are sold. Brison is one of them and it's pretty much considered standard to go with the Bisson down draft Pitts for most.

It's actually rather funny to see so many that were self convinced that they had the lightest, most expensive, or most reliable engine on the market, and now the reality rug has been yanked out from under them. So many place far too much importance on an ounce or two. Every engine needs a source of ignition, battery or mag, a prop, and some sort of muffler. You have to go with what is commonly out there and frequently used. The truth can sometimes be painful, but it's still the truth.

For me, I truly appreciate all the effort that's been expended for people like me to have access to a chart that provides average engine weight and price data. That takes a lot of the engine selection mystery out of setting up a new plane, or seeing if what I have may work on the next one I'm looking at.

You should have seen the BS in this thread before I cleaned it up Pat.

This is NOT a thread about HP or performance numbers on the given engines. And it was snowballing down a great big hill. Anyone wants to test these engines and put the numbers in a chart for comparison--go right ahead. We'd love to see it in ANOTHER thread.

It's about documented engine weights and prices.

Actually I did and was getting a kick out of it. Especially since no performance numbers were ever provided.

Some BS stipulation about being a moderator:

They want you to respond to user inquiries about threads getting off topic or people being argumentative in threads.

It's sometimes more fun to let the guys argue--I even get in on it more than I should sometimes. I don't know how I ever landed this job. I can be a first class A-hole sometimes too. Not proud of it, but I'm human. [sm=red_smile.gif] I don't like deleting posts and I am lucky in that I haven't ever shut a thread down. I don't want to either. It's a big stick--but I try to hide it and carry it as softly and low to the ground as I can. I enjoy volunteering the time and contributing to the site more than just offering up useless opinions. But, it has it's days when it'll drive ya nuts.

But, when someone complains--I'm obligated to intervene or they'll cut my pay. Wait a minute!! I don't get paid for this!! [:@]

Have at it boys!!! [sm=lol.gif]


J/K

Good Job Bob.

Technically, this is a not a bump, as I have a revised spreadsheet to reflect the newest weight reduction from Brillelli. The guy is getting fanatical.... Check out the "46GT - LITE Muffler"....
http://www.rcaerobats.net/GAS_ENGINE...ENGINE_WTS.htm

Here is another one you might want to add.
http://www.bcmaengines.com/BCMA60.htm

Wow that spread sheet is amazing. It has almost any engine on the market and they are all sorted in order of [accurate] all-up weight. One thing I discovered the other day, that Taurus 52 many times requires stand off's in addition to the radial mount. That may add 2-3 ounces more depending on how much you need to stand it off and what you use to make them (alum, hard wood, ply etc).

Also that Brillelli 46 is so light that it might cause balancing problems making some larger planes come out tail heavy. Not that's a nice problem to have......reminds me of the phantom BME 55......

I have plans for an 27%, 80" Extra that I think will come in at 12lbs with the new Brillelli 46, if not lighter. I can use heavier wood toward the tail and whatnot to keep it balanced.

What was that about vertical snaps Bob?

That you would have some with ANY motor on that spreadsheet at 12 lbs!!!!!!!!!!!!