Received my cyberplate today,a work of art!And thanks for the prop drilling jig,was not necessary but appreciated,thank you. Rich

Got mine too! We may even get to 50 degrees this week. It's just in time to put together.

Cyberwolf thanks for all your work.

Everyone in the SAP thread oohs and aahs over the aluminum crankcase of the Syssa engine. It's crankcase probably has less than half as many machine operations as this cyberplate and the cyberplate is handcrafted not cnc!

Actually, the oohs and aahs are over the whole engine,you know, over all craftsmanship? Even though it has cnc parts, he selling whole engines that he did design. I think you did a little Aaah yourself.


Are you saying that if the Wolf decided to make more parts or larger volume and use a CNC you would think less of his products??

Nice Job Wolf! The 50cc was really nice too!!

AJ's,

I'm more impressed with Richard's machining skill than the skill required for the simple program that machined the Syssa cases. I'm waiting for Ralph's review of the engine before I sing along with the Syssa song. I admire Todd's ambition and wish him luck. We'll see how he does if he starts advertizing and has to hire more help.

There are several things I don't like about the Syssa:

Small 8mm crankshaft thread, prefer a 3/8"
Short crankshaft, tough to install a spinner and APC prop.
Short cylinder to propdriver distance, more cylinder sticking out in some installations.
Thin muffler mounting ears, not much material there.

All places not to save weight in my opinion. Otherwise it is a very compact engine and good for smaller lighter airframes. It will be interesting to see how it compares in construction, power and vibration to the DLE.

Look up two post's , I think thats what you were doing!! You missed the point, I don't think he just typed in a program and it pooped an entire engine, if it did , I want that machine!!LOL

Its all good, I just don't know why people get so hung up on knocking other peoples products. I never purchased a DLE 30 and it wasn't for the arguments its get SPS, it dies when you tilt it,and I'm sure there are other things. The fact is there are alot of these out there that run very well, but there have been a few QC issues, just like many other engines. I just happened to like other designs better, isn't that why there are so many products out there? I'll tell you right out, I have thrown those things back at people but its only after they show up and start the "My engine does this, and mine can do this" yeh, thats nice, can it make a chocolate shake too?

Richard made a very nice engine part no doubt about it. You have said yourself in the Syssa thread that that engine screams quality, why knock it over here?

Looks like plenty of room for a spinner to me with an APC 18x6W prop.

AJ this is true we all have our likes and dislikes when it comes to motors, ie DLE VS Syssa - Ford Vs Chevy!
And i would agree that engine does scream quality even though i don't have one!

Truth told if I were to buy another motor i likely would buy the Syssa now or get one of the new
RC Aero YDA - 32cc's that will be out in April also non chinese made!

Richards work is awesome and i'm sure its going to change the way most of us look at the DLE30. BUT having
said that by the time you buy the DLE and the cyberplate you have more dollars in the DLE which is built in
china vs Syssa built here and can't help but say the Syssa is a better built engine IMO from just the reports
and looking at it.

But for those of us that bought the DLE30cc's RICHARD was the answer for sure!!! I appreciate all Richard did
to help us out as the factory wasn't interested in making the needed changes on the later motors and retro
fitting the folks with a rear carb fix that had trouble with their motors.

And to that extent its funny to me that they saw fit to make the DLE55 rear carb but not the 30cc not sure what
was on their minds! In the end I believe there probably are a couple of better choices out there mentioned above
when your talking $450.00 dollars!!!

One has to watch ole Outlw36 he will sneak up on ya! BTW I forgot to mention above you can buy a DLE55 for
$450.00 bucks and go 55cc size planes in that price range!

Thank you!!! This is what I was trying to say, there are reasons people buy different things, but if you really don't like something why bother with it?

I personally have no problem with an 8mm prob bolt.
I have had a Xoar and Vess prop on it with a spinner,no problem.
Try not to use a monkey wrench on the muffler.
Short cylinder to driver washer, that was his design, back to personal preference, I like the length on the Zenoah.

I don't like the four bolt hub on the DLE but there is a adapter! Cool stuff!!

I heard a rumor that Richard was looking into making a single bolt prop hub and if he does i'll likely buy one
but then again if you were buying new all together with shipping on extra parts you won't be far off of a $500 bill!

Q500RC

I had to give you a 5 star! I'm not going to get into the other brands to much it Richards thread. I will say I'm going to Toledo though.

I think the Cyberplate is a great thing offering more options. I actually liked the design, rear induction side carb, but I like big round airplanes,and strange looking stuff too.

Ok, happy flying!!

Andy

You guys with the Cyberplates are in for a treat, I ran one of the final production ones today next to the prototype. Both engines ran identical, stable idle down to 1600, top end with a Xoar 19x8 laminated prop was 7100. Truly works of art from the hands of a master in his field (not a computer).

As for the Syssa, I'm sure a very high quality engine but until I see people running some real props on it instead of APC none of the numbers have merit. And for those that comment on the DLE that have never actually ran one, well they have no merit either.</p>

Well I didn't say anything bad about the DLE, I simply showed proof of false claims by someone else. As for the crack against the apc of "not being a real prop" I could care less. If I had the engine mounted in a different I would try something different. In the twist an APC 18x6w turning 1550 -8750 does just fine.

Uh oh, rpm counts... Here we go again.

Anyone care to tell how much actual thrust they provide and where the torque peak of the engine is that you want to match rpm to? Better still, at what rpm do the prop blades stall during the static rpm tests? BTW, those stalled blades righteously screw up extrapolated static thrust tests. What prop(s) provide the greatest efficiency at what rpm? You don't know what you don't know, and where prop performance is concerned, most don't know quite a lot.

Buy it and try it. The plane will tell you what's does the best. Each plane is different from another due to weights and set up, so what works for Harry may not work as well for Dave.

AJ,

I'm entitled to my opinion. Also I'm pointing out what others, including owners have stated. Many of the posts have been deleted even though there were no RCU rules broken.

If anything negative is posted in the Syssa thread it gets deleted. The APC 18X6W has a very thin hub for that size prop, Add a tru-turn back plate (approx. 3/16") and spinner nut adapter and you'll be running out of room unless you buy a short shaft adapter and drill a 1/2" hole in your prop. The propshaft is short as some owners have mentioned, period. I had recommended a true replaceable propstud to Todd prior to the motors release. Fell on deaf ears but hey it's his design. To me, a 8mm shaft belongs on a 1.50 cu. in. motor. But it's all good. It's just toys and we all want to have fun.

If anyone wants to discuss this futher let's take it to pm and keep this thread clear.

Thanks Guys all the hours and work that went into this project is worth it by reading the posts here.
And a very Special Thank you Jody for doing all the testing on the proto type as well as the finished product. I know your busy and made a special effort to do this.
Richard.

Hey Richard it is us that need to say thanks for your hard work and making it possible to have such a nice
conversion to make our motors more enjoyable to operate!

Well, when someone does bring up another product it is fair game but we'll let it go. Last note from me on this,there is more to your statement then you are saying. Swearing, flaming, picking fights, are off topic and should get deleted. There are a couple of people that pop up and they can't open there mouths with out saying something either with an attitude attached or just being stupid. In my opinion, if you think that little of people and yourself, your post's should be gone.

Go back and look in the posts or I'll post new but you can't use every adapter and washer know to mankind and expect your prop to fit, with a spinner.

Ok, now I want to see Richard make a twin, or a quad!

AJ,

I agree. I had been attacked several times for pointing out several things in the Syssa thread, many times just repeating what owners to be and owners had said.. There are many on RCU hiding behind their computer screen that would never say what they write to my face. I also believe in Balance. When misinformation is spread I feel it should be refuted.

Agreed! [sm=thumbs_up.gif]

I don't know if your interested or if you have your DLE yet but check the market real fast.

I put a couple pics on the other thread for you, they really do not belong here.

Andy

Goodmorning AJ it sure is nice here I hope it is as nice else where, its supposed to get up to around 70F and
sunny today so I think I will go outside and run in a motor!!! Its that time again spring is here!

I hope everyone has a great day! [8D]

Cyberwolf, I sent you an e-mail ordering one from the second batch. I'm just want to be sure there is a second batch.[8D]

Hi Guys, when you send me a email would you please include your RCU user name with it.
Other wise I have no way to keep track of who's who and keep accurate count.

Hey, you guys that bough one of these back plates, can you tell me how much were they? I'm interested. Thanks