Welcome to Club SAITO !
03-02-2006, 04:15 PM
#1901
Banned
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
I'm not sure about the YS 63 but my 120 and 91 have a liner. It could be like some of the Saitos that have the brass liner cast in place or some that just have the bore chromed. That would make it like an Enya with an aluminum cylinder that was chromed. They are called AAC engines as compared to ABC and ABN. The K&B sportsters had the piston chromed. The cylinder was just a high silicon content aluminum bore. Yeah they worked OK but they had nothing but problems at first. The 45 head fins were too big and the engine ran cold. That's why the later version had very small fins and the plug stuck up a mile. They were also physically big. The 45 used a 60 sized mount and the 65, 20 and 28 used bigger mounts. Made it a chore to put in a standard size airplane. You will also notice this was the last major line of K&B engines produced by K&B before they went out of business. Also notice Mecoa doesn't make the sportster line. They just didn't sell well and are worth the effort to produce. When I worked for Hobby Shack we couldn't give them away. Well made engines don't have that problem. Some guys swore by them but over all they had a bad reputation and didn't sell well.
03-02-2006, 04:17 PM
#1902
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
I laughed at your "Thank god for snow and bitter cold...."
If I could fly all year, I surely would. No "Honey do" jobs would get done, and the trash man would be hauling away more broken balsa.
We're the only ones having fun. We are, aren't we? FRED
If I could fly all year, I surely would. No "Honey do" jobs would get done, and the trash man would be hauling away more broken balsa.
We're the only ones having fun. We are, aren't we? FRED
03-02-2006, 04:30 PM
#1904
Banned
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Mine is the older 120 NC and it's a brute. Only problem is it likes expensive fuel and sucks it down like an alcoholic. Luckily, I got a deal on 15 gallons of Cox Blue can fuel and 5 gallons Red Can. The Blue can is 25% nitro and 20% castor oil and the red can is 35% nitro. $100 for the lot. Only problem is it's in 1 pint cans. A chore getting it into 1 gallon cans. YS's love the stuff. Better than YS 20/20.
03-02-2006, 05:05 PM
#1907
Senior Member
My Feedback: (10)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wexford,
PA
Posts: 271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Bill,
I would like a Saito Club Number, my collection is as follows;
Saito 72
Saito 100
Saito 100
Saito 125
?soon to be Saito 220 for my GP Yak?
I do have a couple of quick questions; when did they start making the 100? I bought a used 100 for $100 and it needs a little attention, is the valve lash the same as my new one? Can I use the same feeler gauge? The muffler is covered with cooked on nitro, how do I clean it up?
Thanks in advance,
Mac
I would like a Saito Club Number, my collection is as follows;
Saito 72
Saito 100
Saito 100
Saito 125
?soon to be Saito 220 for my GP Yak?
I do have a couple of quick questions; when did they start making the 100? I bought a used 100 for $100 and it needs a little attention, is the valve lash the same as my new one? Can I use the same feeler gauge? The muffler is covered with cooked on nitro, how do I clean it up?
Thanks in advance,
Mac
03-02-2006, 05:07 PM
#1908
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fort Collins,
CO
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
ORIGINAL: Fred Dings, II
I laughed at your "Thank god for snow and bitter cold...."
If I could fly all year, I surely would. No "Honey do" jobs would get done, and the trash man would be hauling away more broken balsa.
We're the only ones having fun. We are, aren't we? FRED
I laughed at your "Thank god for snow and bitter cold...."
If I could fly all year, I surely would. No "Honey do" jobs would get done, and the trash man would be hauling away more broken balsa.
We're the only ones having fun. We are, aren't we? FRED
(I want to get my Kadet Senior started, so it's probably time to start another project for my wife!)
Lee
03-02-2006, 05:23 PM
#1909
My Feedback: (1)
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Back home in,
OH
Posts: 1,418
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Bill,
Hangar 9 has recently released the non Plug-n-Play version of their 80" J-3 Cub.
If the engine you and I have been talking about doesn't work out which Saito would you recommend for it for scale like flight? ...probably on floats in the summer...and the engine would probably be mounted inverted.
Thanks!
JLK
Hangar 9 has recently released the non Plug-n-Play version of their 80" J-3 Cub.
If the engine you and I have been talking about doesn't work out which Saito would you recommend for it for scale like flight? ...probably on floats in the summer...and the engine would probably be mounted inverted.
Thanks!
JLK
03-02-2006, 05:42 PM
#1910
03-02-2006, 10:52 PM
#1912
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Mary Esther, Florida, FL
Posts: 20,205
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes
on
13 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
OK, let's play "Catch-up."
The MacDaddy is now member number 212.
------------------------
Fred Dings, II:
In your first post you indicated you wanted to get away from Saito engines. If this is not so, tell me and I'll give you a number.
------------------------
jlkonn:
If the J-3 is the one I'm thinking of, supplied P-N-P with the Evo 40-46 engine, an FA-72 should be a great fit, but the FA-82, a little lighter engine, would give you more choices when you get tired of the J-3 or are forced to retire it in a "Rekitted" version.
Haw. What? MeWorry Crash?
-------------------------
Lee:
Thanks to Kmot's idea, and your generosity, a new higher resolution digital camera is now here. You have saved me from blowing $450 on a fancy 8 megapixel camera I had decided I wanted, so I don't know yet if I should thank you or not. My bank account definitely thanks you.
I thought I had found the computer interface cable, in England, for 1.66 pounds. Whatever that is in real money. Called, "So sorry, stocking list is in error." Ordered a flash card reader, and a 128 MB flash card. Real soon now, real pictures, folks. And the Nikon CU lenses do work, Lee.
Truly, I do thank you.
Bill.
The MacDaddy is now member number 212.
------------------------
Fred Dings, II:
In your first post you indicated you wanted to get away from Saito engines. If this is not so, tell me and I'll give you a number.
------------------------
jlkonn:
If the J-3 is the one I'm thinking of, supplied P-N-P with the Evo 40-46 engine, an FA-72 should be a great fit, but the FA-82, a little lighter engine, would give you more choices when you get tired of the J-3 or are forced to retire it in a "Rekitted" version.
Haw. What? Me
-------------------------
Lee:
Thanks to Kmot's idea, and your generosity, a new higher resolution digital camera is now here. You have saved me from blowing $450 on a fancy 8 megapixel camera I had decided I wanted, so I don't know yet if I should thank you or not. My bank account definitely thanks you.
I thought I had found the computer interface cable, in England, for 1.66 pounds. Whatever that is in real money. Called, "So sorry, stocking list is in error." Ordered a flash card reader, and a 128 MB flash card. Real soon now, real pictures, folks. And the Nikon CU lenses do work, Lee.
Truly, I do thank you.
Bill.
03-02-2006, 11:05 PM
#1913
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fort Collins,
CO
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Bill,
You, and your bank account, are truly welcome!
You provide a great service to all us Saito enthusiasts, so the camera was just a way to "Pay Forward". You'll find lots of uses for that card reader you ordered. I use my old, smaller cards like floppies, to do quick backups of things like Quicken data files.
Enjoy!
Lee
You, and your bank account, are truly welcome!
You provide a great service to all us Saito enthusiasts, so the camera was just a way to "Pay Forward". You'll find lots of uses for that card reader you ordered. I use my old, smaller cards like floppies, to do quick backups of things like Quicken data files.
Enjoy!
Lee
03-03-2006, 01:28 AM
#1915
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: GraftonNSW, AUSTRALIA
Posts: 433
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Bill & others..........I like to become a member as well. To qualify, I own a delightful Saito 45 Special (purchased new in 1991). Recently I obtained a crash damaged Saito 50 (damage to barrel/carb intake tube only) so I can have a supply of spare parts down the track. As you would be aware, the only difference between them is in the bore of the Saito 50, being 1mm larger.
03-03-2006, 07:30 AM
#1916
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Mary Esther, Florida, FL
Posts: 20,205
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes
on
13 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Bone:
Welcome. You are number 213.
We anticipate your enjoyment of the engine you have, and the larger ones you will get in the future.
Bill.
Welcome. You are number 213.
We anticipate your enjoyment of the engine you have, and the larger ones you will get in the future.
Bill.
03-03-2006, 08:42 AM
#1917
Senior Member
My Feedback: (10)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wexford,
PA
Posts: 271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Torque,
How much is that bigger carb? In the GP Yak thread people were saying that the bigger carb was really only needed if you put the fuel tank in a "remote" location.
My Yak showed up yesterday, kicking the Saito 220, BME 55 or an OS 160 around (in that order), the 220 would be sweet without a doubt. The BME would be way overpowered and the 160 the more I think of it the $$$ savings is not worth it.
Someone convince me the 220 is the route I should go down.
Mac - Saito Member 212
How much is that bigger carb? In the GP Yak thread people were saying that the bigger carb was really only needed if you put the fuel tank in a "remote" location.
My Yak showed up yesterday, kicking the Saito 220, BME 55 or an OS 160 around (in that order), the 220 would be sweet without a doubt. The BME would be way overpowered and the 160 the more I think of it the $$$ savings is not worth it.
Someone convince me the 220 is the route I should go down.
Mac - Saito Member 212
03-03-2006, 08:51 AM
#1918
My Feedback: (102)
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Colonial Beach, VA
Posts: 20,370
Likes: 0
Received 25 Likes
on
25 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Mac, it was $111.00 and includes a new backplate, the new carb and inlet pipe and a needle valve to adjust the tank pressure. I haven't run it with the big carb yet but I'm going try it Saitos way first and then try the big carb using an IronBay regulator sans the Saito plumbing. I pulled a small boner yesterday and put the big carb on before I switched backplates. No biggy though.
03-03-2006, 12:14 PM
#1919
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Kuala Lumpur, MALAYSIA
Posts: 228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Guys, How much crankshaft end float should there be? My 56F has ~.010". Only about 8 tanks through since I installed new stock bearings and crank, I thought it was tight, but not now.
Cheers from the Barfly.
Cheers from the Barfly.
03-03-2006, 12:17 PM
#1920
Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Fort Collins,
CO
Posts: 62
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
ORIGINAL: The MacDaddy
Someone convince me the 220 is the route I should go down.
Mac - Saito Member 212
Someone convince me the 220 is the route I should go down.
Mac - Saito Member 212
GET THE 220!
Objectively yours,
Lee
03-03-2006, 01:29 PM
#1921
Senior Member
My Feedback: (10)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wexford,
PA
Posts: 271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Still looking for some advice on how to clean that muffler up.
Got the Yak today, looking at the firewall, it may not survive a gas engine.....humm looks like a SAITO 220
Got the Yak today, looking at the firewall, it may not survive a gas engine.....humm looks like a SAITO 220
03-03-2006, 02:25 PM
#1923
Senior Member
My Feedback: (10)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Wexford,
PA
Posts: 271
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
Saito Nuts,
I'm now all lathered up over the 220. I can get it for $450.00 out the door, cash and carry (really fast) at a LHS (secret). Has anyone found a better deal anywhere?
Mac
I'm now all lathered up over the 220. I can get it for $450.00 out the door, cash and carry (really fast) at a LHS (secret). Has anyone found a better deal anywhere?
Mac
03-03-2006, 04:10 PM
#1925
Senior Member
My Feedback: (3)
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Mary Esther, Florida, FL
Posts: 20,205
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes
on
13 Posts
RE: Welcome to Club SAITO !
[b]Barfly:
You should not feel any end float in a Saito crank.
From the latest version of "Saito Notes."
Bill.
You should not feel any end float in a Saito crank.
Crankshaft location and end float.
The Saito crankshaft is a light push fit in the bearings, with the prop driver removed light to moderate hand pressure will push the crank shaft out the rear of the case. After the engine has some running time the crank will tend to lock itself in the bearings, and it becomes a moderate press fit because of the dried oil accumulation between the crank and the inner races of the bearings.
With the front and rear bearings fully seated and the crank pushed all the way forward, there will be a small gap between the thrust face of the crank web and the back of the rear bearing.
When the engine is first run, and gets fully warmed, the dynamic loads from the prop will pull the crank forward, and the hot crank case will allow the front bearing to move forward slightly, pulling the crank against the rear bearing. From this point the rear bearing has assumed all forward thrust loads on the crank, and the fit of the front bearing in the case prevents any apparent end float.
If you have perceptible end float in a Saito crank after it has been run for a while, dismantle the engine and check the fit of the front bearing in the case. If it’s loose the fit can be tightened by plating the outside of the front bearing, but the “Correct” repair is a new crank case.
The Saito crankshaft is a light push fit in the bearings, with the prop driver removed light to moderate hand pressure will push the crank shaft out the rear of the case. After the engine has some running time the crank will tend to lock itself in the bearings, and it becomes a moderate press fit because of the dried oil accumulation between the crank and the inner races of the bearings.
With the front and rear bearings fully seated and the crank pushed all the way forward, there will be a small gap between the thrust face of the crank web and the back of the rear bearing.
When the engine is first run, and gets fully warmed, the dynamic loads from the prop will pull the crank forward, and the hot crank case will allow the front bearing to move forward slightly, pulling the crank against the rear bearing. From this point the rear bearing has assumed all forward thrust loads on the crank, and the fit of the front bearing in the case prevents any apparent end float.
If you have perceptible end float in a Saito crank after it has been run for a while, dismantle the engine and check the fit of the front bearing in the case. If it’s loose the fit can be tightened by plating the outside of the front bearing, but the “Correct” repair is a new crank case.
Bill.