If I understand the zoneless box correctly,it should not matter where you do your manuevers ? In other words,in the basic sequence the loop does not need to be directly in the center of the box.If I'm wrong ,please enlighten me.The reason for the question is due to some discrepencies at a recent event.I overheard a judge telling a contestent that he would have scored better if his manuevers were placed correctly.I didnt think anything of it until another contestent came up and asked the previous guy what the judges were saying to him,when he was told what was said the guy flipped out and was really upset that they were deducting points for this.Am I wrong?

Thanks

True, that in the zoneless box you dont have to center your manuvers in front of you, however, there is the ever subjective presentation score that is very subjective at best. We in the NW voted to just give everyone a 10 on the presentation. It was explained that to score well on the presentation, the routine must flow like a ballet in the sky... What a crock. If you choose to not center your manuvers, it is sometimes a little hard to judge certain figures, and this is where you get nailed on the presentation downgrade.

AKFlyer is correct. Not having been part of the conversation it is hard to know, however, I wonder if the judge was referring to having the center manuever centered or just the overall placement of the manuevers. The presentation score does take into account the judges impression of how the overall set of manuevers looks- balance, flow, etc.. If not, the judges may simply just not have been "up to speed" on the current judging "situation" - (zoneless box, presentation score).

This presentation score is a hot topic- quite frankly, most flyers who I talk to are not in favor of it but it seems to be being promoted heavily for a reasons that I do not fully understand.

I am not a fan of it myself.

Dave

Centering is not required under the 2005-2007 rules as stated by the new proposal.


Certain nameless pilots thought it was unfair to require maneuvers to be centered. I have never heard such a complaint. There is nothing wrong with asking the judge prior to a flight if they like to see centered maneuvers.

In any case, the individual maneuver should not be dinged if you are using a positioning score. The positioning score will reflect the lack of harmony, flow, balance, rythm, and nirvana in your sequence. Since you never know how a judge will evaluate positioning, it's a good idea to look at the judging matrix and follow those judges around while eavesdropping in order to gain clues on whether they like centering. It's all based on a particular judges feelings, therefore, you need to do a little detective work in order to score higher.

-Darin

I understand the importance of a nice,even flowing sequence.However,I did hear the judge say "you would have score better if your manuevers were where they should be". Zoneless or Zoned box,it doesnt matter to me.I still try to keep the manuevers where they should be,it just looks better,but it is nice to know that if your flow does get a little off that you can still proceed and stil have a chance for a good score.

Edgetorker :
You are right the judge was deducting as if we were flying a zoned box. He was unaware of the new rules when I told him there were no center or end figures you should have seen his face. As I was told he has not flown imac in 2 years and has not been to a recent seminar. I believe I was the one who flipped out. This judge was definitely not QUALIFIED to be judging and should not have been sitting in that chair. There were plenty of judges that were at this years seminar at the event and could have judged basic. As a pilot in basic I hate when someone is judging me that does not know the rules. or someone who gives scores one does not deserve. most all of the judges are very qualified but sometimes things happen. The CD's have a very hard time on event day to think about asking someone if they are up on the rules they seem to be relieved that someone said they would judge. Problem solved onto the next one.
All in all for the things that went wrong that weekend it was a good event. RAIN RAIN GO AWAY[]

Kevin