SO, it is a fact not a sarcastic comment.
Sarcasm is not a substitute for intelligence.
And you use sarcasm so well.

Thank You !

Cheers

Not that I care, but do you plan on quailifying any of your remarks or just repeat what I said in some vauge fire and forget comment?

Look to your own posts for qualification, it's all there.

Thanks
Cheers

Same thing again so I guess not. I agree that those who fail to change with the timesare left behind.

Glad you know how to build all your own stuff and I am sure you do not own a foreign thing when it comes to radios, engines, or anything else (yes thatis sarcasm)as this is how things are andwill continue tobe.

I see that you have a record of arguing with people that do not see life the same way you do so I will not bother you with anymoreofmy modern thoughts.

Good luck!

Every time some one says kits we get arf,ers who get defensive about building a plane. They lurk in the shadows waiting to pounce on builders and craftsmen . This thread was about not finding any kits in a hobby shop and it always ends up as arf guys saying us builders are picking on them . I think it is sad that they feel this way but if you cant build or wont dont blame us for your finding this thread and butting in. If the thread said we cant find ARF,s at our hobby shop i dont think us builders would be chimming in unless to say great get a box of balsa a plan and start building. lol OH! one more fact this post is in the kit building section so why are the arf,ers even looking here? I rest my case . JOE

Wow, you are not going to call me stupid or dumb maybe lacking in intelligence.
Gee, I'm so disapointed, can,t you tell.

Cheers

LOL..Joe, you couldn't have said it better.
this thread had nothing to do with the "build by numbers(er pictures)" group, but they make their ignorance known all to well.
take 'em with a grain of salt as they would have problems with true canvas artists because they can only do the paint by numbers stuff........LOLOLOLOl

kits are precious these days, and while the world has turned to ARF's, so has the art of our hobby gone down the toilet...........most of the ARF flyers can't even tune an engine without frying one to bits or worse gettin their fingers bit.
the old days of learning to build, engine running etc are long gone.............even control liners laugh at the ARF crowds..................

Becuase it is #1 on the front page and because it is not restricted to any certain group. I have built several planes and also own ARFs, which does that make me? I am more interested in flying than I am building at this moment in time (not to mention what I previously stated).

Some peoplebuild primarily and owns ARFs, does that makethem an ARF'er? There should be no other classificationother thanmodel aviation enthusiast with certain passions within that relm. Isn't that the bottom line?

These forums are here for the free flow of ideas, why can we not respect others opinion and likes. You don't have to like it, just respect it.I will not however sit by while being bashed or criticized by others for expressing exactly what this forum is here for.

On point and Well Said Joe !
Frankly am quite tired of being put down because I build !
Oh and I do own four Arf's so what. I don't go to their house and raise cain.

Again Well Said.

[8D]Arf'ers don't "build", they assemble.

Hmmm...so you are saying is that you cut all the wood to shape with no instructions as a "canvas artist" would? Nothing there and you create it out of thin air. I have built both, a kit withlaser cut wood and molded pieces is just anARF that has not been assembledby someone in China, you're just finishing thework.

I don't get defensive about people who "assemble" a kit with precut wood andextremelydetailed instructions. Just don't appreciate all the BS. If you truely want to be a canvas artist then buy some plans and get to work. This is one of things I have always wanted to do.

Good luck to all in whatever sparks your interest!

Seems that they want respect from the builders.
But sure have a odd way of acheiving it.

Bash, Hack and Slash then call the object of the abuse, ignorant. Realllly!!
That will get you a long way in life even as they see it.

Want Respect, Earn It !
Cheers

Then again, maybe they don't !

allamericanflyer-

...from one honorably discharged veteran to another... who are you? I see 58 posts in your profile, at least 12 of which are from this very thread. Not one of your posts has contributed to this discussion in a constructive manner. Please, if you can't contribute to the forums in a civil, adult manner- just effing spare us.

Seems to me like you took a looong break from the hobby, and then decided to come charging back onto the scene expecting to wield the voice of seniority. Sorry dude, doesn't work that way.

Now, Mr. Air Force Security, please understand that I am not prone to taking people to task about their poor behavior in these forums. It never results in anything but name-calling and pissing matches. But you should know that your confrontational attitude is not appreciated.

Now, go ahead and conjure up a post about how I am the problem. There, there, of course I am. (facepalm) [:@]

you mean by pictures....boy are we all gonna get it when RCKen looks into this wrag[:'(].......personally i think we are all just ribbin each other for fun, at least i am..........ARF's are fine by me, so are the lowlifes who assemble them, but give me a kit anyday so i can stand above the rest[:-][:-][:-]

I like airplanes!

not totally in thin air, and not with detailed instructions, but one or two like these from time to time.

Yeah!! [8D][&:]


summerwind- LOVE the Sopwiths

Those are very nice planes.

Happy flying!

Summerwind....

Those are beautiful aircraft !

I like to make my own plans and kits!

Yeah, Go for it !

Cheers we need more designers.

When there are no kits or arfs of the airplane you want you just have to make your own! On the 'assembly' line are: Boeing B-1 bomber, two Keith Rider raceplanes, Big Bonzo, a Japanese torpedo bomber, DH-5, PA-12, IK-3 and a couple of others I have surely forgotten 'cause I'm getting feeble! So, don't lament the market forces but rather use them as a motivating factor to pursue your dream airplane!

I stand up for what I believe in, something I learned as an Air Force Security Forces member, so sorry if that translates to my life. My initial post in this thread (#31) was constructive, and as far as the rude thing I was reffering to an earlier post that called"ARF'ers" lazy and further went on to criticize individual who fly ARFs. I didnotquote themas I did not want to call anyone out. I did flag the post and itmust have been deleted (want to flag mine is totally up to you, go ahead if you feel I posted them unprovoked).

Yes I have only posted in RCU 58 times, what has that to do with anything? 12 in here, obviously I am passionate about the subject.

Why do you feel that I am the only one worthy of your advice? Not trying to be an authority to anyone, you treat me with respect and I you, it is reciprocal.

Yes I did take a long break from the hobby as it is not really offered/available in Saudi, Korea, Kuwait, Turkey, and very rare in the parts of Italy where I have been for the last 9 years (not retired yet). It is unfortunate that I had to but as you know all too well, Service Before Self!(For non Air Forcethat is 1 of the 3 AF corevalues).

The field I go to the conversation is ALWAYS respecful and intuitive, I always learn something. I read the post here inRCU quite a bitand for the most part I find the same thing, I just can't swallow the bashing of others who do not share the same opinion. Stating an opposing opinion is one thing but to bash someone for what they think is not really needed.

I suggest you go back and actually read my post as all of them except for one are all relevant to the discusion at hand. Please be sure to pass on your constructive comments to at least 1/4 of the comments that do fit that discription.

Thank you.

Those are great subjects you got going there..

I still have a 1/2 roll of vellem under the drawing table but my last one took most of two and a half years on the table and under construction.. So I can appreciate what you are doing.

Thanks for your experience and keep up the good work.

Cheerfully !

Here's a pic of my scratch Pitts S2a, Nope it is not a GP Pitts or a Byron S1a and I have the hand drawn plans to prove it.

Thanks GSnut ,every time us builders are just chatting we get someone telling how much better arfs are ,cheaper or how much time they save. My hobby is not about saving my time its about getting my mind off my job or every day bull . My hobby is about building a plane with my own two hands and if it flys great its a bonus ! I have arfs but i wont go to a build forum and brag about them . I wish the pro arf guys would go the the arf section and talk about all the messed up stuff they had to fix on their china bag of balsa and leave us to our building. Nice pitts gsnut i had a byron pitts years ago . joe