NO NO NO TURTLE CHEESE CAKE LIKE GINNY USTA MAKE

Tom,


Good on the standby planes, the tired enging rebuild etc. It's good to have spare stuff to tide you over. I hope the engine rebuild takes. I once rebuilt a 4 cylinder car motor that turned out real good. I hope your plane motor does as well.

The kit is looking good too, already shiny. The only thing I ever used fiberglass on was when I tried to build a plywood one-man boat several years ago. I put fiberglass cloth on all the joints then "painted" the rest of the wood with resin. It leaked like a screen door. ha

You have all the weather conditions covered too, GREAT! You aren't missing a trick.

elad

S,

You did real good to hit the 3 point dead stick landing. Congratulations!

One of my friends said he found a 4 ft. wide, 500 yd. long straight, asphalt right-of-way out in the woods, starting nowhere and going nowhere. After I asked him what it was for he told me a guy was out there with 3 or 4 radio controlled airplanes. How would you like having to hit a 4 ft wide landing strip every time?

It's getting into the low 50s here in the mornings and up in the 70s for the high at about 5:00PM. So we're good to go for this weekend as it's supposed to be sunny.

You did good and kept your plane aerobatic, not acrobatic. ----- elad

see ya

morning dale

Don you're making me hungry and I just had some of that pie!

that's it William robinson....go ahead and cut hinm loose with two engines!!! i like yer style! just because of your posts i am now lookin for a dc-3 about 60 -70 inch wingspan.......


john

JohnBlue:

You will be welcome as a twin flier. But your chosen airplane is not the gentlest of twins to learn with. So long as two are running it's a very nice flier, but there are several others that are a lot easier to fly with only one engine running.

Bill.

Don,

Good morning,,, errrr good evening. Ya musta logged on pretty early this morning and saw I was logged on. I had to leave here about 5:30 or so. Sorry I misses you. We could have had an almost instant messenger.

I dozed off sorta early last night. It must have been about 8:00 PM the last I remember. I had a much better day today. It's about 8:30 PM now and I still have a few hours in me.

The guys are making me hungry with all that talk about pie. My favorite is, or was cocanut pie. I can't eat that any more, its kind of like the water in a foreign country. ha Now my favorite pies are lemon icebox and pecan. Another good desert for me is canned pears. I hear the last pear half calling me now. yummmmm

elad

Dale, You can tell Don is on vacation by the hours he's keeping. He told me that he's been hanging drywall most of the day. When I taked to him a couple of hours ago he said he was tired. Can't figure out why.
He said he might pick up some epoxy for me, tonight. The "local" hobby shop is 8 miles from him, and 33 miles from me. Nice of him. These foam and glass airplanes, really eat up the epoxy.

I hope that is a misprint. If not, that guy sounds like he has more money than brains. 500 yd I could take a real plane off on that ! Cept for the 4 ft wide. Wow, if I had that room and money at my disposal I would make a 300 x 50 foot runway. :0 AH dream dream dream. It's never people like me that win the lottery either. It's always some rich widow of 81 or a bowling team from the middle of nowhere. HA.

Cold cold cold out. This sucks. I came home from work today at around ohhh 8pm. And past out till 12:30! I expected to wake up 1 hour later and be fresh and ready to build all night. Alas I chose to play around on the computer and use tomorrow for flying and building (weather permitting). Hope you all are enjoying a good end of season flying that is better than what I am encountering. I am not a big fan of doing anything outside in the cold unless I am moving around alot. I think I might pickup another Walt Moucha model from that little hobby store for a mid winter build.

Elad, are you lactose intolerant or whatever that is called? I think chocolate does something to my brain longterm...honestly...but I love it, especially ice cream during the summer. I can seriously OD on it though. Hopefully I won't have to quit eating that HA.

Hmmm, just had an idea. We should start up a chat conference sometime in a chatroom. Anyone game? Maybe meet like once a month...more or less?

S

Tom,

Hanging drywall doesn't sound like a vacation. I've done that in 3 or 4 habitat houses. It's not too bad when you have good help. We use screws a lot, especially on the ceiling.

Don sounds really considerate to not be adding carrying charges to the epoxy. ha

Wx man said it might rain a little bit this morning then move out to give a nice PM. I hope he's right. I'm getting itchy control thumbs,

elad

phooey on pie- im on vacation -im havin bbq pork loin for lunch way more than yum
don

S,

A missprint? Well, the friend is a deer hunter and can judge distances pretty good. Maybe he was saying the cleared out area past each end of the paved part was 500 yds long and I misunderstood. Anyway, I think he told me the site was used by a club. The site is on a WMA (wildlife management area.) I wonder if our government built the landing strip.

Hey did ya hear about the fella who bought a piece of land that's an inch wide and 500 miles long? It's a spagetti farm.

And right you are about the lottery winners being people who don't seem to need the money. How ironic that really is when it happens that way.

Lactose intolerant and long term brain damage? Just where is your brain located, S? ha ha Never mind, don't answer that!!

When I get home a lot of days I sit in my lazy boy after pouring a quart of 2% milk and after I gulp the first one I go get another to sip. I like ice cream too. I get that 3 flavor kind a lot of times or just go for the vanilla. What I do that's different from most folks is I have my wife put it in the microwave to melt it down somewhat. If I eat it too cold it gives me a sore throat, so I just drink it. One of my favorite ice cream flavors is butter pecan.

You & my wife would get along fine on the ice cream choice. When we were starting out together and when times were a lot harder financiallly, sometimes after the finances were settled for the week, we'd get a malted milkshake on Friday night. One weekend we'd get a chocolate malt and the next week we'd get a vanilla malt. Each time we'd get 2 straws and share the malt.

I know you guys are familiar with the Storch plane. That's German for Stork. It was used by Germany during the war, the BIG ONE, for several uses. Although it can scoot on along, it was noted for the ability of very slow flight and STOL, short takeoff and landings. The stall speed was something like 32 or 34 MPH. I think I would like to fly one of those as a model. I've never seen it offered as a kit, but think it is an interesting plane. Well, actually an Australian company offers them as a kit, but it's a plane that people can fly in.

Since looking at pictures of the Storch, it looks like one thing that could be done to some trainers to make them fly with comparable characteristics would be to change (increase)the angle of the wing where it fastens to the fuse.

Anyway, I hope you'll get some wx that's fit to fly in this weekend.

elad

Elad, Don has plans for a Storch. I think it's a 40 size. We'll have to get him to chime in on that. Also Bob Holman sells plans and partial kits for the Storch. I think they are larger, but they don't use very large engines. They'd be fun to fly, messing around with the STOL characteristics. I've wanted to build one, but I still have a few projects to finish before I take on something new.

Sincraft, check your PM's.

the storch plans are from AMA- fairly inexpensive-but you should have built a few kits first -the one from holman is $$$$$$$ for the landing gear- there is an old european kit from swenson that is ok if you can find one for a decent price
moose tracks for me please

Tom,

Oh boy, a Storch plan, that's something I might get interested in making. It sounds good too that a small engine would work alright. Maybe that means a small 4 stroke would be good for it. ha

Did you see what Don said above about pie and his lunch menu?

If I had to make the choice between pork loin and pie I would definnitely pick the pork,,,,,, first! ha

Today at the airport it was too windy to fly. We fueled up the Eagle anyway and I taxied around the runway for a while, just for the practice, until suddenly the plane got up-ended in the tailwind. There was slight damage to the skin on the tail and the prop was pitted. Time for an iron down and a new prop.

I'm thinking of looking around for a real cheap RC car that I can use for taxi practice. I need that a lot. I'm doing much better in the air than on the ground and a low budget car would save uncalled for damage to the plane.

Funny thing, when the plane was to my left and turning on the runway and was turning to the right , at a certain distance, the plane looked as if it started turning to the left, when actually it was still going to the right. I know it was just optical illusion. I took the plane down the runway in the other direction and all looked as it should have. The vertical elevation was a bit different and the light was a little different. That's never happened while flying. Oh well.

elad

Don,

Thanks for the information on the Storch plane and suppliers. I'll give them a look and bear in mind about building a few other plane kits first.

What are some of the things about plane kits that make them either easier or harder for newbies to have success with?

I've learned to trust you guy's leadership, so I'm just asking for the sake of the information.

elad

Elad, I was at Don's tonite picking up the epoxy that he got for me. First thing I saw was the leftovers from that pork loin. Made me so hungry, when I got home I had to finish off that peanutbutter pie!

Work for me tomorrow. Then start modifying my retracts, while watching the Iowa-Ohio State game.

Don's coming over sunday to take some pictures of my shop for posting on another site. Hope to get more work done on the FW then, too.

my favorite kits to build are
1-Goldberg Excellent instructions simple to build wonderful flyers by far number one

2- topflight gold editions -again excellent instructions scale looks- good flyers more involved building

3-great planes good instructions good builders more sanding and carving all seem to come out a little tail heavy

4- Sig kits the newer ones(four stars) are better than the old ones and fly better too

there is not much wrong with any of the kits out ther but for a good flyer that doesnt take a lot of thought or much time these are the ones
Don

Elad, Take a look at Sincraft's thread on the Charger II. He has fotos of the fuselage construction. All sticks and twigs. There is a lot of precise cutting to do. The kits Don mentioned should contain die cut interlocking parts, much easier to do. Sincraft also mentions that the instructions are lacking. This is to be expected(although some will disagree). The more advanced kit producers expect that you have building experience and understand what needs to be done. Their instruction manual is more of a "guide", giving hints on areas they feel are more difficult. You learn the procedures and constuction sequences from the above named manufacturers and then take on more challenging projects.

Elad, in short....what Tom said. However for example.

A Goldberg plan would have this:
1. Remove all the balsa pieces from section 5a.
2. Lightly sand the flat surfaces of all removed balsa pieces.
3. Now pin down each balsa piece onto the plans to the corresponding sections that fit onto the plans (See illustration 5)
4. Once you have all of these in place, be sure all sections are touching together. No pieces should be off of the lines that they are placed on as this must be somewhat precise.
5. You may now glue each piece with your CA. Allow to dry overnight.
6. Gentle remove the pins and remove your (ie fin) from the plans.
7. gently cut away any excess CA that may have developed from overgluing one ajoining area to another by cutting or sanding that area. Be sure not to cut into or sand away any of the wood product.

My kit has this:
1. Now it's time to construct the tail using the 1/4" square pieces of balsa.

(you have to figure out what pieces are meant for this job as obviously you will use other pieces of 1/4" in the box. For example if there are 3 4 foot sections and 2 2 foot sections and the thing you are creating is 2 feet long..you want to use the 2 foot sections so as to not waste your woood. They don't give extra for mistakes)
Also, it won't show ANY illustrations nor will it tell you when to use your plans to build on or when not to. It is also assumed you have knowledge on gluing, shaping etc.

I know it's not the best example but like in my fuse construction, I just knew I had to build two sides that would be constructed to the fuse ply sides. Half ply, back half sticks. Then you look at the plans and figure out where the cross braces are meant to be.

One you look at the plans, you think wow. But after staring at them for an hour or so, especially in the area you are working with, you completely understand what they are talking about. The instructions are ONLY meant to keep you from shaping or gluing something together before something else has to be done. Such as when my fuse construction is going...I would not want glue the canopy top block on, shape it etc before I put the braces below it because obviously that would be a huge mistake and I would have to cut away all the to backtrack to the step I should have taken. And then I would have to buy more balsa *yuck*.

Joy..

S

Edit: oh no this thread almost went onto page two. Good thing I showed up when I did!

Good description Sincraft. To me, the trouble with buying an already built airplane or an ARF is that after that what do you do? You can keep on buying prebuilts and ARF's or you can build. If you go the prebuilt direction, sooner or later you're going to want an airplane, but can't find other than in kit form. By this time your flying skills have developed, but your building skills haven't. So your only choice is to have some one build it for you. Check out what people get for this. I hope you're sitting down when you do. To me the cost is prohibitive. Besides, I haven't even mentioned the satisfaction that is derived from the building process. There's something to be said for taking a bundle of wood and turning it into a beautiful aircraft. The satisfaction I feel cannot be put into words.
On another forum, a gentleman designed and built a WWI model. All week long he was describing his apprehensions. He flew it today and provided pictures. The plane is contest quality, but the neatest thing was the picture of him and his model, taken after the maiden flight. The grin on his face was teriffic! That is the satisfaction of building your own. It's not that it has to be contest grade. It's that you built it yourself!

Her's the pic of Donny. He' lives in Scotland. Look at the grin on his face!!!

Tom:

The airplane is a lot better looking.

Haw.

Bill.