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all is well. I had enough black to do the wing to where the two halves meet. Then I had enough left over to do a middle piece, actually 4 pieces. Which took two hours to do alone. I'm slow. I was watching that kecksburg ufo story on tape from the scifi channel. That's about 30 mins from where i live. :o
The red trim believe it or not is as old as the plane. Monokote, 12 years old. Basement stored and it went on like a dream. The black gave me a nightmare. I had giant puckers, had to rip...repull/stretch, tack down...smooth out...heat gun it. Sigh. It's a pretty darn good job now, but wasn't shaping up to be that way.

I think my next build is going to be an enlargment of a planes current plans, or a complete scratch build. I like covering, but was kinda pissed I didn't get to do anything on my bipe this weekend.

S

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S-CRASH,

it's loking good. i like the color scheme too. catchy!

elad

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Elad:

Catchy? Yes, I supppose so, but I hope I don't catch it.

Haw.

But, since it's almost Halloween, it might not be so bad.

Haw again.

Bill.

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I know we've journeyed past the dihedral topic however....with the eagle II arf you aren't given a choice of dihedral. You just glue the two wing halves together. I don't know how much it has but after gluing mine together it does kind of look silly, or not realistic. I don't want a plane with a v wing. I know that the kit allows different dihedral options. I thought my wing would look like that on the box which is straight across. I am not sure what the benefits will be with the high dihedral but I'd rather just have a normal looking aircraft. Oh well....like someone said to me before, "it's just a trainer".

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Snoop, Feel free at ant time to bring up questions or make comments. Too bad they didn't give you a choice on dihedral. The Eagle doesn't need a lot to make it easy to control. How far are you in the assembly process?

Sincrash, You're moving along quite well on the repairs. Have you worked on the fuse, yet?

Elad, Figure out something on that computer? I liked the servo idea.

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Hey snoop
the plans for the eagle kit call for about 1.5 in diheadral in the lowest setting it is about right for the sort of flying you will be doing -the higher dihedral wings are if you are going to do a 3 channel version- because it will initeate a roll with rudder easier - my advise build it like it says- learn to fly -experiment later -go back through this thread read -the posts from -bill -tom- and I . we have been there and seen all this stuff- it is probably the same things you are hearing at your own field

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by the way the eagle is one of the coolest trainers out there you can learn lots from it -I know that I learn or relearn something every time we have a student makes me want one all over again
go fly have fun

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:) Yes, it's a halloween theme I suppose. More like a 'im too cheap to pay for covering when I already had some' HAW.

We shall see how easy it is to see in the sky however.

The fuse is still sitting there. I am going to probably remove the fin and put a big bandaide on it. Everything else is just a matter of a little push here, a tad of glue there and I am done. The biggest issue is putting the gears back on ( 10 mins), The fin (30 min), and the 3" hole punch in the side of the fuse...bandaide (5 mins). The biggest is to take apart the engine and clear her out. They don't run good with mud in them I here!

Damn picky devices...

S

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snoop,

the dihedral issue doesn't have to stay in the past at all.

i read somewhere recently that a kit builder didn't like the dih... in his wings so he cut a piece of wood in the shape of a 'v' and glued it in the place where the wings went together. there was a small amount of gap left that he filled after the adhesive set up. i don't think he mentioned what he used for filler or what adhesive he used.

the other builders here could recommend some good suggestions i bet.

elad

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tom,

i haven't found hinges for the lid yet. if they cost as much as a .46 engine i'll just screw a few pieces of 1/2" plywood together at 110 degrees and use velcro to keep the lid from falling down.

:)

elad

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Sounds like a good plan to me, but if you fixed it with a servo the, you'd have an extra servo. That's the logic I use with my wife. I just don't tell her the real motive.

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Sincrash, sounds like you still have some work to do. Better get it done so you can get back to work on the bipe.

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You really like that sincrash thing eh? Ok, I kinda like it also. :)
Fuse is done ...sorta. Covering on punched holes (more than I thought), took longer than I thought because all the holes were between pieces of trim and the main pieces. Ie: Instead of one solid piece of covering/patching...I needed to cut to fit pieces then more pieces in different color around the main piece.

Fin, I just exasperated the break...dropped ca all over it, pulled it back and braced it with 'stuff' to keep it level and slightly against the break so when I release the brace it bounces back to perfect level.

Took the engine mount and engine out tonight. Tomorrow I will clean it up and hopefully be ready to fly on thurs (if I decide to take a day off) or friday (my day off). Weather is supposed to be sunny and 70 on thurs! WOW.

:)

S

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Tom,
I am just past the point of joining the wings. I'm expanding the hole in the wing for the aileron servo to fit. I am not working on it everyday. I have other projects at home that I'm alternating between.

Don,
Yes, I have read about 80 percent of this threads posts mostly between yourself, tom and elad. It did take about 2 hours to get through it all :D I actually don't hear anything at the field. I have been a fan of rc flying since I was 10, I'm 25 now. My dad bought me a goldberg cub anniversary edition for my 10th birthday. Its still no more than a skeleton after all these years so I finally ventured out and got myself a plane (eagle II) thinking it was about time I did something about my burning desire to fly rc. I have just joined a club which at about 25 miles is the closest to my house. I have not gotten the since of being welcome there so I'm skeptical about rejoining for the next year. It has been hard to get information from anyone and I don't feel that they care about having a new member join their group. You know what I mean? I am very jealous of Elad reading about his wonderful instructor. I highly doubt after my experience with this club so far that I will find someone as dedicated as his instructor. I just feel that being new to the hobby, I have a lot of questions that need answers and further more need an instructor that is going to be dedicated and not want to do things half assed or be obnoxious with me and not compassionate about what hes doing. I met with a guy out at the field about a month ago who is supposed to be the guy to get instruction from due to the fact that he flies everyday and is supposed to know his stuff. Anyway, in conversation he says, " make sure you build two over the winter because one won't last you" Now,... that may be true but for someone who is definately not wealthy by any means and barely had the money to get into the hobby spending $600 dollars on a whole plane, engine, radio setup this is not something you want to hear, even if it is true. So I'm kind of leary from the get go about flying with this guy now.

I have found one person who is a rcuniverse member and has been a great help. He is in my area and told me about a farmer who lets people fly on his land and that the guys there are a great bunch. I said I would check this out when my plane is finished. I apologize for the rambling but I guess I'm writing all of this because I don't know what to do. The club I joined seems to have the mentality that I'm a member, I have friends here and I know how to fly so why should I care about you. I know thats sad but its the impression that I get. Anywho...should I venture to another distant club, or check out this farmers field or play out the club I've joined for a little while longer. Being new to everything its not easy making decisions on what would be best. I here from people on rcuniverse and just going to club websites how much the club is a part of their hobby so I take it that if I'm not happy with the hospitality I should look elsewhere...I just don't know. What do you guys think?

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Snoop:

Every club, or any group of people, is going to have a percentage of rectums. Maybe you've just not yet met the nicer folks there.

But I would check out the group at the farmer's field, sounds like that might be a lot better than your "Official" club.

If you feel able to do so, get the Real Flight simulator, I've seen immediate solo flight after some time on RF, most using it as a primary trainer solo with an hour or less of dual time. And $200 for the sim easily trumps $600 for the second plane. Not that you wont get the second and later planes, just that you wont have to get it as soon.

Bill.

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Snoop, too bad there's all that water between us. Don and I are both instructors. We could get ya flying! Clubs can be funny. There is almost always a group that is a bunch of "rectums".(good one Bill) But usually there is another group that really wants to help newcomers. In the club that I used to belong to, that group was the oldtimers. One guy in particular went out of his way to help newbies. He worked with me almost every day until I got my "wings".
I'm not buying that part about needing two airplanes. When I belonged to that large club, and trained many students, only a couple of trainers were severly damaged. Usually they get trashed after the student is on his own and starts "feeling his oats".
As far as next years club is concerned, keep your options open. I'd check out that group at the farmer's field, however, you may not have met the right people at your current club. You're fortunate to have a couple of options.


Keep in touch

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Sincrash, oops, Sincraft, Good to hear that you're making progress. Post some pics of your plane when repairs are completed.

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hey! crash craft
hows that bipe doing what motor ? what color is your next turf stain :Dha ha really though what color is it going to be
don

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Snoop
for every group of snobs in a club, there is usually a group of people to help new comers to the hobby. these are the ones to hang around with anyway because they are the ones that are interested in the future of the hobby or their club yes the grey hairs like me might run the club but the clubs future is in the young people. funny how some forget to be a kid and get all serious. some where i said" it is not my inside that got old, just my outside" Keep checking around for groups to fly with, you will be surprised at how many there are close by

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Thanks for the advice guys. I appreciate it. I think I will visit the farmer and his "group" once my plane is finished and then see how I feel from there. There are other clubs in the area. I just chose the one closest which is still a drive. I'm willing to drive farther to fly if I have to in order to feel comfortable. We'll see I guess.

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Snoop: Had the same problem here. I was 21 when I built my Eagle II. I received attitude from what I considered rather 'odd' people. I couldn't find anyone to help me, or if I REALLY wanted to join my local club I would have to jump through all kind of hoops to just be able to fly some other guys plane on a buddy box, after at least 5 hours of oral instruction..never touching a stick. Fah. Last year I found there was a local field that didn't require anything but the will to fly. Alas, here I am. :) Approximately 30 flights under my belt solo, of which 1 resulted in a pretty horrific crash. :) It's all better now. Tough plane.

The plane is fini'. Some of the trim work was punched through but I didn't have the proper covering. So many of the du dads were covered to serve a utilitarian purpose...to be able to fly on Friday.

The bipe fuse is complete! The tail feathers are complete (took only about 10 mins ha). I have some pondering to do to figure out how they want the tail feathers attached as the planes needed a cut away view at this point...but I'll figure it out. The instructions state: Create tail feathers, set aside and do not glue together yet as you need to cover them first. The box of balsa is getting light. Only the wings to go, and that was what I was looking forward to. I am probably going to build a Sig SR this winter also. My bro got the plans as he has wanted to build one for awhile. So we are going to make a couple of em. I'm thinking, camera plane. :)

Colors? too far ahead for me. If it were not for the heat gun I would have a pretty awefull looking wing. The first time I never used one and it turned out better. SO, I am going to research a bit on what I should use etc etc. I would have liked to have painted some of the fuse areas, but found out that is not such a hot idea. I do however want it to look ARF quality at the very least. Engine? I am going to wait until after xmas to get that.

S

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hey guys,

s, im glad you're liking your new name (new twist anyway on craft.) i've begun to get a kick out of it too. :D

tom, your logic won't work on my wife, she thinks i'm her servo.

don, crash craft huh? i like that one too.

snoop, the guys are right about checking out those options a little closer. sorry it ain't so easy there for you as it was here for me. my instructor is very interested in growing the club larger. and there's a few more members who are willing to take up his slack when he can't be there. i very much appreciate his giving me his flying time too and i make sure to tell him so regularly just to be certain he hasn't forgot that i appreciate it.

although i have only one solo flight under my belt, and KNOW that i couldn't be successful flying alone just yet, there's still the temptation to crank it up and try it. there's a lot of guys who can't resist, hence your instructor's 2nd plane advice. i HOPE that's what he's thinking. if he's thinking he might not be attentive while you're flying he's not the instructor you want. my instructor has kept me from crashing (with the buddy cord/box combo) about a dozen times in 3 or 4 lessons. he won't allow me to buy a starter, a battery, a flight box or even fuel until he oks it. i'm 54 yrs old and feel sort of like a kid for that, but the grown up in me is richer by a dozen planes for it too. well, one plane richer. i wouldn't buy a dozen without having wings first.


if you check out the farm airport or the other club and get the warm welcome you need to feel,,, look no further,,, you're HOME. even if the warm welcome is a longer drive, it ultimately will be much a shorter distance to getting your wings. and that's where your friends will be. i've met a few snobs in my lifetime, but i never wanted to get to know any of them well.

but, that's just my stupid opinion, :D

elad

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SINCRAFT
I thought it was just me that thought rc people were odd. I found it funny that you made that statement. My experiences so far have led me to believe that rc flyers are kind of different. Well at least some of them anyway. I guess its something I won't understand until I get more into things.

ELAD
It sounds like you have a very good instructor. I hope that I can find someone like that. It's easier to learn something when you have confidence in your teacher.

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Snoop, Why wait until your plane is finished to visit the farm group?. If the snow isn't flying, they probably will be. If they are a decent bunch, they'll be able to give you some decent advice on putting your bird together.
Yes RC'rs are an odd bunch. Not many people are willing to take long hours building something and then go out and put it at risk. Then, those people don't understand the satisfaction gained from doing so, either.

Elad, too bad my logic won't work. You'd be amazed at what I've been able to get away with.

Sincraft, Post some pics of the completed fuselage in your Charger thread.

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Elad, your statement about just taking off and having a go at it is exactly what I did one day. High winds, poorly tuned engine, and only one flight that year while the prior year I had always had someone to shove the controller into their stomache. I did however make a couple solo's last year. My first attempt ended bad. I lost power on takeoff and crash landed. About an hours worth o repairs. The second attempt lasted 5 mins as all I wanted to do is get it back on the ground after I took off. Once I did I literally packed up in less than 5 mins (including cleaning the junk off my plane/oil) and dashed at of there like I stole something. And actually I did. My freedom! Ever since then I try to remember how my first landing was...I do remember that I hit the runway...sideways..and I bounced but then landed in the grass and rolled to safety. To this day my landings are a bit squirly. Landing on pavement, it's hard not to bounce. Last friday I landed on the 180' x 26' runway...slowed enough to turn it around and took it off immediately again. That was my crowning acheivment so far. However, it was followed by a crash into the trees and a rather lengthy search for pieces parts. She is ready to go now, and hopefully (wind permitting) I will be flying tomorrow. Tally ho!

Snoop, odd is a nice statement. :) Some are *******s, some are VERY nice, some are weiiiiiiiird, but most are just a good ole bunch of guys. I usually notice some wierd quark about them..and often recently wonder, what is mine? I would most likely not notice it being on the inside looking out. I'll have to video tape myself and my statements some day. HA. In my area however, the best description I could give is there are 3 categories. 1. older nerds 2. old guys. 3. young guys that crash and you never see again. HA. I fight to stay out of all 3 categories, and have only met a handful of 'normal' people. All in all though, in any of the above categories, I am glad to talk with them and fly with them. I know where I stand with these people, and they know where they stand with me. Just two people interested in the same thing, with probably completely different lifestyles before and afterwards. THAT'S an interesting aspect of the hobby!

Tom, in due time my friend. Batteries have gone by by. I need to buy more but am BROKE. I get paid tomorrow. Poor trick or treaters are going to get a handful of whatever I have left from when I first bought candy but ate most of it. Damn Junior mints! Why do you tempt me soooooo!

:)

S