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Sincraft, Did you lose the batteries in the crash, or were they destroyed?

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s&s,

weird? normal?

this statement will be like the pot calling the kettle black, but the only people that i ever thought were normal were the ones i haven't stayed around long enough to get to know very well. familarity usually exposes weirdness and abnormality.

elad

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Elad,
LOL Oh how so very true.

Tom, batteries are a ok. I just flew tonight. :) I was speaking of the batteries in my camera. Damn digital camera really suck up the juice.
I waited to later this evening to fly to allow the 15mph+ winds to die down, got to the airfield at about 4:30, and did about 30 mins of preflight/added a muffler redirect. It started up rather nicely, only about 3 flicks and I already had a looseness feeling and a putter. Probably a few more later I had it actually running. Sure makes the engine sound different, and seemingly run different with a redirect. I am tired of battling the huge amount of gunk on my wings after flying. It will help a bit. I still had alot on my fuse and a bit on my wing, but nothing like what I am used to.
I was VERY afraid of that tree area I hit into the last time. :( Oh and btw, I don't think black was the best color for my airplane. I don't know how anyone can fly if they don't have very good eyes. I wear contacts that correct my vision to almost perfect, and I was getting confused BIGTIME as to how my plane was angled. It is hard explaining to people also that at a certain flying height and distance away, you can't tell if you are in a 30 degree bank to the left or the right because the siloette looks the same. I did a hammerhead and as I was coming out of the loop the wind (about 12 mph) pushed my wing over but to me , and with evening coming fast with that dark color...looked like it was coming out of it ok but I knew it wasn't. I pulled back and immediately realized that tighted the 'death spiral' I was in. Now I was stuck with the notion that if I don't decide to push the wing in one direction...I will certainlly crash. I pushed right..the plane leveled and THEN I pulled back to correct the now contining fast dive.
-Wing speed test: check. (whew)

I had one of best landings tonight also. It was the slowest I've had yet it also didn't drop at the last minute or anything bad like that. Perfect down the 26' wide runway, one tiny tiny little bounce and 100' later I was turned around and took it off immediately.

Good times.

Elad I saw a .60 OS four stroke on sale at the local hobby store for 55 bucks! It was NEVER run before (or so they say), however it was OLD. Those rod doohickeys that normally are covered with a cover were uncovered. The old guy that runs the hobby store says its a good engine but old. Just wonderign what you guys that have been in this for awhile thought of that engine? He said it was like one of the first 4 strokes out apparently. It has 'made in japan' written on it.
This guy has several old engines on sale for $1 per CI. IE: .35 OS for 35 bucks. That .60 seems like a good deal though. I am thinking of buying it and popping it into something else I build this winter. If it doesn't work I am sure I could at least get 30 bucks back from the guy. He is selling it for someone that is selling his collection of stuff because he is too old to fly. Which kinda pisses me off. I would love to meet some of these guys up at the airfield and fly them around with my buddy cord. I know if we had a more open airfield they would do fine but the treeline sometimes hides the plane in their vision. Thus they are all quiting. :( The guy who owns the hobby store is I think 76 and had a stroke about 6 years ago. He from his own admission was never really a great pilot. But he still loves to fly and more often crashes them than lands them safely. lol. This guy is crazy. He refuses to use a chicken stick to start his airplanes. He is a GREAT builder. He never uses plans, and rarely are his airplanes even 1/2 the weight of most of the airplanes out there. But yet they are just as strong if not stronger.

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Sincraft, Hopefully Don will see your post. I think he knows something about those old engines.
I don't think you'd be happy with it. From what I understand about old 4/strokes, is they are powerless and heavy. For the money, it might be cool to put it in your Eagle. It should have about the same power as a 40 2/stroke. It might be cool in a Goldberg or Great Planes 40 size Cub.
I know what you mean about camera batteries. Don used three sets when he took the pics of my Stinson and 109.
Glad the Eagle flew well. How much junk did you get out of your engine when you cleaned it?
By the way, I'm normal. Just ask me. (Not Don)

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lol normal. Hmm You should see the post i posted in the engine discussion. It has the ebay link to the exact engine. I'm thinking of buying it just to sell it on ebay really if anything. I know I can get a few bucks more. At least 20.

I also bid on a fokker dr triplane with an os91 4 stroke. :) I'm going to lose it. But that's the fun. I pay what I want right?

Hey Tom, what is a good 2nd plane for me btw? Obviously this bipe is NOT. I need to learn how to use ailerons and want something I can either 1. put this current enya .40 in or 2. something I can put that OS .60 4 stroke in if it works and isnt a bad engine per say.

Oh and btw, you are NOT normal. I'M NORMAL. So that's how I know you are not. The reason I know just fyi, the aliens told me so!

Edit: opps in ahurry to reply as I saw you were online. Junk in the engine was about 1/4th a teaspoon o dirt. Mostly embedded in the head, some in side the carb and some down inside the engine. I cleaned her out good, and gave it a bath on the outside also. I found batteries (in a remote I never use) and am going to post pics of both planes in a few mins. :)



S

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ok more pics. Was trying to figure out why my camera seems to be losing memory. Not to mention, it freezes up in video mode (not that it's worth much). I formatted the media and suddenly am able to take 10 hi-quality pics instead of 1. And low qual I can take 80. This camera is horrible.

Anyway, here's some more schtuff.

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opps a bit out of place. Here's more..

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t & s,

i don't think i'd know normal if i saw it in the mirror. but how'd i know,,,, i never do see normal in the mirror. but wait, maybe that is normal for me,,,, hey tom, if that's right, maybe i'm seeing you in my mirror.

man oh man,,,, talk about convoluted logic......

$60.00??? sounds ok if you're into paying for schtuff.
tom and bill would know a lot more about its worth than i would.

yesterday one of my workmates dropped a brown bag in the bed of my pick-up. i looked inside the bag this evening. it held two boxes, 1) a never opened hitec focus II, a 2 channel am radio with 2 hs 300 servos, and 2) a fox .19 engine that's never been run. i don't know if i'd ever buy a .19 fox, but i'll probably use this free one someday. i might not should be so hard on the fox brand they're still in bizz since i was a snotty nosed bratt. the li'l .049 i had as a kid was ok for a dozen crashes. :)

the radio has a crystal in the back, and the .19 has 3 plastic packets in its box. one is a high speed screw and another is a low speed screw while the 3rd has 2 sizes of allen wrenches. i have no idea why the extra screws and wrenches.

i flew today, but no landings. i think ron wanted to see if i remembered how to move the controls after what seems like a month of no flying. tomorrow he says there will be a lot of emergency power loss practice. i think i'll have a hard time getting aligned with the runway. if tomorrow's weather is like today's it'll be purrrfickt.

elad

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oh yes,

nice work and good pictures.

elad

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Hey guys- they say 33% ofthe people are mentaly unbalanced. Now think of your two best friends do they seem OK? if so -your the one HA HA:D
good flying dale- now you have a radio for a park flyer thanks to a kind soul
sincraft go find a tiger 2 It simply is one of the best sport planes around- as far as that old 60 they are really cool desk ornaments- they were not popular in an airplane for all the reasons that tom said- absolutly no parts available- so break it and its done -the best application I can think of would be an Old timer style that you only need low rpm and the extra nose weight- todays four stroke are a world apart from the old ones

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Elad, When you look up NORMAL in the dictionary, they use my picture as the definition! That donation is neat. It'd be nice if we could get some flying weather up here. It was nice a few days this week, but work got in the way. Now it's the weekend and the forcast is for rain.

Sincraft, A GOOD second plane would be the TigerII that we were discussing a few thousand posts ago. Go back and see what we had to say about it. If you build one make it a tail dragger as you need to learn that for the bipe. There are other good planes out there, but to me, this is probably the best bet.

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Hey thanks for the tips guys! And believe it or not I am still winning my ebay auction for that .91 os 4 stroke including a beautiful ww1 triplane for 160 bux. :)
Yea I kinda figured that engine wasn't the greatest deal, but something yesterday caught my eye about it that other days as it sat there did not.

As far as the mentally unbalanced part, I can assure you I am. That is something I am certain of unfortunately. :(

Elad, good luck buddy. Emergency power loss? What are you doing flying into electrical storms? HA. I've had two in probably 20 flights. One ended not so good as you may recall. It was my first true solo flight and happened 3 seconds after takeoff. The other ended beautifully as I was in the air and had time to react and bring her in.

S

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Sincraft, If you win that auction, keep the triplane in your hanger. You could use the engine in a 60 size Tiger. That would make a good second airplane and it would leave the Eagle as a backup. The tripe is for later in the learning curve.

Don, I know you and Tim aren't balanced, proving that I am!!!

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hey guys,

i've always been on an extremely delicate balance, exactly on the edge, with one foot on a bananna peel. and some armour encased guy riding toward me on a tall white steed and pointing at me with one of those dark ages javelines.

i'm betting on the other guy.

elad

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Elad, You just have to figure that you're smarter than they are! Always bet on yourself, even if you're wrong!!!

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Elad, LOL!

:)

S

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tom,

when i bet on that other guy and he wins at least i was right once. ha

s,

thanks.

saturday flight was shortlived. i took off, sort of squirrley again, and ron saw something i didn't see. he took over the control, and the eagle took on the flight pattern that looked like a vertical climb attempt, then looked like it was an attempt at knife edge maneuver all from less than 8 feet up, then suddenly the eagle met the runway at full throttle. the prop broke off which allowed the engine to rev to a never before experienced rpm. the eagle settled sort of upright, sort of nose down, sort of on its side and sort of looking back at us.

while this rpm extreme was going on ron showed me that the radio inputs from the radio he was holding had no affect on the engine speed. i tried the same with my part of the buddy box set-up and i had the same results. it finally quit running and we put the battered plane in back of ron's truck and we all left the field. the spinner was badly bent and the end of the left wing was kind of chewed up. there were small places torn on the underside of the wing covering.

i theorized there was intermittent operation in either the transmitter or receiver. ron thinks the receiver switch was pulled only partially on then vibration during takeoff made it go back to the off position. ron says he can have the plane repaired with about an hour of shop time, including switch replacement.

we have a club meeting this coming tuesday night. the guys have one project going using a 6 hp engine. wow!

later, oh ye well balanced dudes,

elad

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Elad, Your instructor comes complete with repair service? You don't know how fortunate you are!!!

Good to hear that the Eagle wasn't severely damaged.

We had rain this morning, so I started working on the FW. Got some stuff done. When I looked out the window, the sun was out. Barely any wind, too. I was already committed to working on the plane, tho. So no flying.

Sincraft told me that he wanted to. Wonder if he got to go.

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Eagle squirly?! NOOOO! Say it aint so!

Well, I have been saying this but people that fly my plane say. It's great!

But on takeoffs, especially with wind. The plane seems to have a mind of its own. It seems like it wants to stall or knife the first turns. Everyone has been saying my takeoffs look picture perfect, but they have no idea how many inputs i have to produce to do that. I flew my brother trainer and it's as easy as pulling back on the stick and slightly turning for the first turn.

Glad to hear nothing serious happened to your eagle elad. That could have easily become a stall or tip stall that resulted in a full throttle SMASH into the ground. I've seen probably 10 crashes from other people since flying. Out of those 10, 9 of them resulted from takeoffs or landing attempts. All from good pilots. One was an idiot hitting into the trees. :ME:

I fly very cautious and with buttocks clenched now. I am hoping I can get a few more flights in this year. I still can't believe I was flying with a short sleaved shirt on today. Other people had shorts on. It feels like spring outside, and I am loving it. We never get this weather, it is either HOT or COLD. If it is midranged, it is cloudy and ugly. Today was kinda sweet. Except for the hellish winds, but they eventually died down also.

I lost that ebay auction for that 4 stroke w/ dr1 triplane. It went for only 180! DOH. I would have taken it to 200. I messaged the guy and told him I could come very soon to pick it up as the reserve wasnt met so he has the option to sell it to me if he wants. I'm sure he will work with the current high bidder though. :( That kinda sucks. I came home from flying and passed out on the couch. Woke up hours later realizing that I slept the night away. Now I am wide awake and have to work in 5 hours. DOH.

S

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Sincraft, It's natural to be nervous for a while after you crash. You'll get over it.

Don't worry, that nice weather will end. After being in the fifties yesterday, it rained, was windy, and in the low forties today.

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I had a kickass time today! Although I was only on little sleep, (and still am), I took off from work at around 3, got to the airfield around 4 and flew for over an hour. I did all kinds of crazy (yet controlled) things and everything felt very natural. The sun was shinning on the wing and I could actually see the red stripes on that black wing. Everything looked great, I noticed I had a smile on my face while I was flying...which is odd for me. Usually that means something is funny or I'm up to something ehhe.
Everything flew nicely. I think I had a bit of flutter yesterday if that's the proper term. THere is a small 1" hole in the tail and came apart from the last repair I noticed today. So I patched it with tape and everything flew great. Surprised my tail didn't rip off or explode...or worse, balloon up and cause me to death spiral.

Anyway...the jitters were gone via the sun hitting the plane properly and the wind being only about 8 mph. Good times. :)

Don't know how long this weather will hold out. Early fall, it was hot..then COLD...then rainy and COLD...then one week of warmer but windy/rainy..then COLD COLD COLD..now, it's like early fall is back. I'm confused. [sm=spinnyeyes.gif] to be honest, I am not sure what to do with it. I'm not sweating, and I'm not freezing..hmmmmmmmm.

S

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hey guys,

sounds like you're all holding things together better than me. but you know it seems that i recall saying it was going to be hard to find the runway saturday. WRONG!!! i found it a lot quicker than i thought.

you guys didn't get a repairman with your planes and instructors??? well, i guess i am really blessed huh?

i don't know if i'll be nervous next flight or not. when mechanics or electronics fail there isn't a lot of time for nerves unless you're 4 mistakes high.

afternoons here are still tee shirt temperatures. they say it's going to get cooler in a few days and maybe rain.

s, too bad about the auction, maybe the next one will go better for you.

elad

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The Eagle will fly again! But not today. Car broke down :( Gonna cost me big. Was VERY nice today but with all that I couldn't even make it in to work. I would have felt guilty if I went flying in the last hour or two of light so when I finally got home I figured I would spend time building.

HOPEFULLY we will see more days of good weather. I don't mind it being 'chilly' but NOT cold or hot. Wind sucks also. I guess that is a tall order, but only time will tell. I am going to go check the weather now.

Elad, I am not sure if your instructor told you this or not, which I am sure he did. MAKE SURE you do a good pre-flight before every two flights. Especially in a rattling old Eagle. Not sure what your engine mount looks like but mine is made of wood bolted onto wood. If I flew 5 times in a row without checking something, I would surely have SOMETHING fall off or worse.

Yesterday I was doing a preflight and noticed one of my engine mount bolts almost completely off. My muffler has come off twice this year (only held on by the rubber return hose on return so didnt lose it at least) And several other things have vibrated almost off or completely off. I remember the on year I was riding my mountain bike back in the woods below the one air field on these trails. I just completed a major hill climb and was resting when I heard a plane fly overhead. Then I heard crashing through the trees. Not two feet from me fell someones wheel. The same size I needed to complete my Eagle. LOL. And now it sits on my model! LOL. Isn't that odd? But it made me realize, hey I betcha that guy is going to crash on landing.
By the time I got up there, (cant go directly up) everyone was gone. I felt bad but hey what can ya do right?

Still funny story to this day..

S

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sin,

yep, my instructor even checks over the plane at the end of a day's flying sometimes. b4 we ever started lessons he told me he'd teach me about pre-flight checking, so that's covered for sure.

it sounds like you could stand to go bike riding more often.. i'd suggest you wear a high quality hard hat. some pilot might drop a 4 stroke engine or something. ha

sorry about the car breaking down, and the unexpected expense. real bummer. my daughter recently had a $2k repair bill. maybe yours won't be so much.

i won't be able to check out the repairs to the eagle and go flying again for another week and a half. no tellling how the weather will be by then. we'll see.

elad

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Elad, You have a TOP NOTCH instructor! I had one that took my brand new OS 40 and leaned it out to full power. The thing was never right from the very beginning. Worn out the very first day.