Thanks for the reply!!! markind, Pretty much what I thought it would be.....If anyone esle has flown them with and without the droops please add your 2 cents worth....Every little bit helps!!!
THANKS!!

rarefind I have flew mine with and without droops ,what i recall when i flew take offs were longer and in the turns wants to snap at slower speeds tried to loop with droops almost had a lawn dart I put an evo 50 10x6 prop helped alot
hope this helpes

my latest time out sank it in the corn when i was getting ready for a night flight and when i took off for a night flight i had flaps up instead of down both pilot error[:@]
the only damage that i found so far is the cowl is a loose [X(] i think it was pilot error both times and i need to shim the motor

os 75 ax sounds sweet just fly it fast

markind hats off to you I flew off a paved runway for the first time my landings were bad to say that in a nice way, nice videos !!!!that was hard for me to do i don't see how you do it Ill stick to grass

Well, after crashing my keecat I was left with a .91FX Jett with no home, couldn't let that beautiful motor sit around and collect dust. Sooooooo, it is now in my raptor. Later today I am hoping to go see what this bad boy will do! Also, the install was very easy, cowl needed no trimming. No moving of the throttle line either. Still trying to figure out how to upgrade the fuel tank size though. Figure I have about 3-4min of flight with the .91 in there and the stock tank haha.

I have read a few recent posts that are describing landing this bird. I love the way this plane lands. I can get real nice and soft nose high landings about 80% of the time.

the real key to landing this bird is throttle and momentum maintenance.
Due to prevailing winds our field has a right to left approach and a clockwise pattern, so that how i'll walk it through. I have 5 touch and go's in a row before having to run out of gas.

in the (r -> l) close pass, at about 50-70 feet i begin setting up the landing. I come down to about 75% throttle and begin a right hand turn to down wind leg. I ride the elevator inputs a little heaver here as i want the downwind to "coast." As the plane comes through the center point in front of me (l -> r) i'll start breaking the engine. What I want to do here is to get excess momentum from the down wind leg to bleed off. I start flying the throttle here to keep altitude and airspeed. I dont want the wind flying me. I also try to keep the altitude constant here, about 50.' The base leg is always one gentle turn. There was MAN article on this in the last few months. As i enter the downwind base 180 turn, I coast it through the turn. I have the plane at idle or just where it needs to fly through the turn. At about the last half of the set up turn, i want the engine to 'tractor' the plane. Its like flying the prop. My landing will be determined by rpms, not speed. As the plane comes out of the turn level up the wings, and increase throttle until its pulling the plane. With drops and half flaps at about 15-20 feet, add elevator to pull the nose up. Here the plane gets mushy. From my experience, this is where the body starts flying. Keep riding the throttle until ( and slight wing inputs, remember alway move the stick to the low wing as it is coming to you) until your close to the ground. I drop back to idle just as the mains touch. On grass, i can keep the nose up about 8 to 10 feet on roll out.

Hi guys.. today was a good day, 3 flights and everything is great, fourth flight and before take air, damn a bad movement and one of the NACA DROOPS past to better life,and of course the prop, and some damage to the cowling.. can some help me and sell the the droops or just one and the cowling too .. thanks in advance..

Darn! I was just doing some house cleaning yesterday and threw out the old NACA droops I had. I would have just given them to you for the cost of the shipping. I am sure someone on here will give ya some.

On another note! The first day with the .91FX and Jett Pipe went off almost without a hitch. The plane performs like never before and will really do some cool high power spins and such. The vertical is almost unlimited. With the old raptor you couldn't climb vertical more than maybe 150ft off a high speed pass before it was nearing stall. I would say you have a solid 400-500 now. More than you would ever really need. Landings are just the same, I always like to bring my planes in fast and "fly" them onto the runway...you could land it with the increased wing loading in an easy 400ft no problem. Take-off's are great...you can take off and just pull it straight back and shoot for the moon.

Anyways, on the second flight of the day the Jett muffler let go of one of its mounting bolts and the engine quit right after. Amazingly the plane was able to glide all the way back to the runway with zero damage. I now have the stock .91FX pipe on it till my Jett one comes back from the factory. As for speed....an increase for sure, not stupid fast, but not slow either...maybe 90mph or so. I have been flying my sundowners around mostly, so my sense of "fast" is a little off now. Anyways, I love the look of this monster engine on the tiny plane [&:] [&:] [&:]

Sure, I can. PM me and for the shipping you can have my droops. I have two virgin sets with a 3rd coming in a new RTF kit so if anybody else needs droops PM me.

That's just wrong, somehow... How can you make my loveable, heavy draggy crate into a missile like that? Shame! What is the flight time for full tank?

Dude, I'm hosed with that landing approach - my only available runway is exactly 300 feet long. [:@] And I need every inch of it, even when coming in with a nice slow flare. A little too fast or a decent bounce and I either have to wave off or go into the rough, which I HATE!!! [sm=angry_smile.gif] Then all that dirt gets on all the oily surfaces... yuck...


Dude you can only blame that on pilot skill! Well done! You gotta be Johnny Ace Pilot on the sticks to pull off an emergency landing with this bird. She likes to plummet with no power! I had a glow plug fail in mid flight and nearly had a heart seizure but I managed a flare before going into the rough and came to a nice stop with the nose sticking just inches under a barbed wire fence. WOOT! [&:]

Has anyone ever tried to mount and EVO 1.0 on this thing? I just got one and I have a new EVO 1.0, I know there would have to be MAJOR mods done to do it, but do any of you that already own/fly them think it will work? Right now I am thinking about serious firewall reinforcing with glass/epoxy, adding weight to the tail (The 1.0 only weighs 9 oz more than the .46), maybe a bigger fuel take moved to the back for the weight? Adding servos for the flaps will be a must. I have an idea for the landing gear as well, I will try my best to describe it: Piano wire a little thicker than stock LG, but instead of wheels I will bend the landing gear to form "skids" (Kind of like the earlier space shuttles) Just think of the landing strut if you will coming straight down and then bent into a half moon shape, or boat shape, to give the "effect" of a wheel. i know I wont be able to steer much, if at all, but I think it would work. Now I have read alot about the 2 degrees of right thrust not being in this plane, is that true? also read that there is down thrust that needs to be cut about in half? Any input would be great. I got this thing on a trade, and it is still new in the box and still wrapped in plastic, if I don't do this project, i will be selling it. I know this ousnds crazy, but I don't like having what EVERYONE else has and want to do something different that will break 100 mph!!!!!

okie trucker wow that would be different for sure ,i like the idea but sounds like a big job but possible

im in the process of shimming the motor

are you over the road trucker or P and D I drive a small box P+d

good luck in what you deside hope you try to do this keep us posted

thanks falcon

I hope I can make it work, I may switch it to a .61 don't know yet. Yes I am OTR, but I am local/regional, out 1 or 2 nights a week home every weekend Had enough of that out 2 or 3 weeks crap!!

Okie trucker

the 61 I think would be better choice
I don't know how to lighten the fuse had heard it's been done 5lbs i think they said
have you ever flown a jet type plane ? or a wing?


I went with the evo 52 bolts right in over rev the motor a little but near the 100 mph mark ( est ) fun ,now i want something faster
hopefully have the motor shimmed and test fly this weekend when i added the night lights became unstable for me plus pilot error also didn't help things

OK, new plan. I might be aquiring a nelson .40, what do you guys think? will it be a good one for this project? I am also thinking of going with no landing gear at all, hand launching and belly landing. If i don't go the no landing gear route, I am going to figure out a way to put retracts on this thing, any comments suggestions will be appriciated.

there was a thread where someone put retracts on the f22 i forget where
but i think the F16 retracts may work with this with work not sure
I shimmed the motor able to fly slower and alot better will get pics here soon

Again with the F-22 retracts!! ITS HERE:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_52...8/key_/tm.htm#


More work than its worth, IMO...

sorry if i bother but did you receive the shipping address? via pm
Thanks
This is for the NACA droops

pics on shimming the motor

man it flys alot better
can do good rolls now
can do good loops now
can take off with or with out flaps FLaps make it alot safer to do
with out flaps on take off i tried to yank it off the runway stall but pulled out CLOSE CALL and pilot error
landings without flaps like a missle may have been pilot error
with flaps like a trainer
a power turn i can do now just do it higher up

thanks for the help and hope the pics help
falcon

wow i waiting for this as a newbie i was lost when everybody says "shim the engine", do i need a special shim, i mean size etc, or any shiom can work di you put the shims only at the right side of the engine or shim the four screws..?
can you give me the part number to change the spinner, my three bladed pro is broken and when i tried to change and put another spinner, the spinner back plate touch the cowl, and nw i´m fliying without spinner and with the stock nut, and the bird looks ugly ..
Thanks

sorry double post

No I did not forget you bro, I will ship out your droops along with some other grot I am selling on eBay, probably this weekend.

I've got to get my Raptor back up on the bench and do this shimming thing...

thanks

the shims go on the bottom 2 bolts only sorry for bad pic look at the first pic and see how the motor mount is
i just used brass washers what i had i think the guys said around 3mm total you can use any washers just watch the weight and go in small steps (washers) i added 2 per bolt
the spinner i just got a normal 2 blade spinner ill need to see what size for you
did the shims at the club was easy and did not have to ck the cg and i think i only added 1 or 2 clicks of trim elevator may have been me (pilot error)

i need to take a pic of my nose inside i never added the plywood braces did a quick fix at the field one day and its held up so far

had about 8 flights with the new set up so far all in a bad cross wind one thing that was nice i can fly it 1/2 power and seem to do ok before i always flew full power
the only problem i have now is how do i make it go FASTER HE HE HE

I dont recommend the night lights yet i need to do more tests in the daylight that is

falcon

hello all im back, i posted a page or two back. Had a hard time with my raptor geting off our grass field no flaps, liked to tip stall alot once you fight through it and get airspeed up was fine. Had it go down on its nose and mess up the fuse so took a break from it and went to a bobcat. Its ok but i prefer the raptor looks. So i have another one i put my older k and b .61 in it added the flaps. Going to try it today with 11x7 prop. I think it will do ok. Im leaving the wing droops on for now and the stock tires. Will go 3in if the grass bogs me down to much. Wish me luck will post results later.

Pulse 40 (great plane)
Twist 40 ( also hard to beat)
bobcat ( iffy would not buy again)

She flew, the old k and b fired right up and seemed to have alot of pull. Taxied with athority on the grass had the flaps down maybe 1/2 in. Takeoff was way better than my last one witha os55 and no flaps, long as you didnt pull up to hard and stall it, let it climb up it flew great. Flaps off made it want to drop nose down some, trimmed it out a little and with flaps back down would do gentle climb. No wind at all and landing took a few aproaches she didnt want to drop down just floated. so made long aproach and settled right in.
The k and b .61 did 10900 with the 11x7 prop, not sure if i will try a 12x6 will be close to hitting the grass. Took the wing edges training stuff off and flew the same. So all in all did really well. Going to take ger back out tonight.

sinjin90 sounds great sorry to hear about the fuse breaking
the k and b sound great should move this bird very fast
I over rev the EVO 14000 spikes 18000 so far its held up
Have you shimmed the motor?? it will fly better that way see earlier post i did at the club and yanked the plane off the deck to see what would happen it did tip stall but was able to recover 100 times better but landings i came in hot without flaps with flaps like a trainer doing more test this weekend if it dosen't rain

the f22 did start something my trim flight for night flying pilot error landing had flaps up instead of down sank it in the corn (no damage)
a week later new glider elevator control arm came loose lawn dart into the corn ITS a PNP ascent
last week the nextstar goes into the corn (dead stick ) 6 of us flying slow doing touch and go
and to add insult to injury my mustang goes in the corn ran out of fuel first time ever for that plane this week will be interesting for sure
have fun
falcon

Yep shimmed the motor, takes off pretty good had little tip stall last night, but kept it level and let it gain some speed up to clear the trees. Cant get the damn muffler bolts to stay tight. Muffler came loose again and deadsticked it in. Just ordered the OS .61 from tower hobbies. I need something reliable for this plane deadsticks on it are spookie.
I love my flaps dont slow it down much but makes it stable for nice greesed landing. You keep taking out stalks of corn and the corn prices will go up
later