I guess I am cluess or dont understand programming my futaba 9C for quad flaps.I want to use both aileron and quad flap together to get the effect of a full aileron and at some point program flaps in and eventually the crow couping.Did I mis=understand the working of these feature.In order to use the quad flap ..do I just have to live with a small aileron in order to use flaps.I suspect I should have just built it with conventional ailerons and gone flying.i thought I could make the flaps work together in the same direction as the aileron giving me a bigger aileron.

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Here's what I refered to. It allows crow and both aileron cofigurations, so you will accomplish what you want. One thing I noticed was that I always had one ail that lagged a small bit behind the flap when I had the ail to flap coupling on.

Good luck, you're going to love the Ultra Stick. I'm on my second one!

thanks I have the quad flap coupled with the aileron so I have one big aileron.and I too have a slight lag on my left aileron.did you fix it or just fly it with it.does it hurt any of the planes flight stability or make rolls awkward. I know I am greedy but did you keep flaps in..what advice on flaps.I want it all.lol.thanks again

I don't think there's any way around the lag. It appears to be related to some signal or processing lag due to the "creative" programming required by the 9C. I've seen JR radios setup for the Ultra Stick and they performed flawlessly. I say just fly it; I never noticed any difference between my plane and my buddy using the JR radio.

good luck

thanks..I am using my trusty futaba and the lag is visible but very very slight.what I was wondering with this kind of programming if you also programmed flaps of is it one or the other.glad to hear about JR I am selling off a huge inventory and among them are 2 JR computer radios.maybe I should experiment.

I had the same problems that you are having with my 9C and US60.. Called Futaba several times and got very frustrated with their understanding (or lack of) how their own radio system worked. I never was able to get the airplane to work properly using their FAQ setup.. After spending hours and hours working on the radio, a more experienced friend said "man, you are doing this all wrong.. put the radio into glider 2 flap mode, and all of the stuff that you are trying to do is right there!" So, anyway, I removed the receiver, and plugged servo leads in the receiver as per the manual for glider 2 flap, and BANG.. perfecto.. I don't know why futaba has a thing about using "acro" mode vs "glider" mode but for an ultra stick, set it up with in Glider and you won't have any problems. Another thing that is nice with the glider mode is when you are coming in high with crow enabled, the amount of crow deflection is porportional to your throttle stick. There have been many occasions that I've "gone around" from a steep crow dive bomber approach and have always thought "wow, sure is nice that the crow disappears when I throttle this thing up.." Its one less switch to throw when you are busy otherwise.. Acro mode forces you to make crow a switched item, and it's all or nothin'..

If you need anymore detailed instructions let me know, but save yourself the headache.. read the book regarding the servo setup.. and give it a try!

From an earlier post:




Thought that I'd post what I've learned in the last few days with this setup.. Firstly, I had been programming this setup in ACRO mode and was having several problems that I couldn't seem to get right.. In the Elevator/Flap mix, I couldn't get the flaps to come down with elevator input.. for some reason the ailerons were moving rather than the flaps.. According to John at Futaba tech support, this is normal, and there is no workaround for this in acro mode? Sounds fishy to me, but that is what I was told. My second problem was that after following the FAQ, I couldn't figure out how to tie CROW into the throttle stick. I wanted it porportional to throttle position in the event of a go-around the high drag config disappears. The FAQ only supports manual deployment of the CROW feature..

Anyway, considering both of these problems.. I decided to throw the FAQ in the garbage and set the receiver channels up as the 9C manual calls for (which is a bit different than the FAQ).. and reprogram in Glider2Flap mode..

The result was that in less than 25 minutes I have all of the functions that this airplane was built for and I didn't have to do any "additional" mixes to get the crow to work. In acro mode, you have 3 additional mixes to support the flaps in crow config.. not so in Glider.. Also Aileron-flap, flap-aileron, elevator-flap all work perfectly..

I did however have to build a mix for throttle cut and "low Idle" which was very easy to do.. Anyway for those of you struggling with this configuration give the glider mode a shot.. seems to be just what the doctor ordered for this airplane..

John.

thanks john.I took the info ustick gave me and I eventually got the flaps and ailerons to prperly mix.but as ustick pointed out my left aileron had a very slight lag.my comment about futaba is similar.and I thought about using the glider2 parameter and will try it today.I love the stick and feel its better than my old jensen ugly sticks which I flew and flew.I planned to use all the features of stick and thought my 9C was the best.but now I am not so sure though I have always supported futaba.If I cant get the same results in 25 minutes as you lol I may just rip out the quad flaps and re install the conventional ones and just fly and enjoy.my friends have theirs set up that way and they work beautifully I just thought I would be different.futaba does irk mr sometimes and have wondered like you why have acro when butterfly alias crow is already in glider2.ugh!oh well no since belaboring it its a goregous day and I plan to grab several planes and fly with my buddies and just have fun. thanks again for sharing nice to know it wasnt just me.

No sweat! Just be sure to make the appropriate changes with the servo leads at the receiver as I believe they are different from what the FAQ dictates.. The only thing that you are going to loose with the glider setup is the preprogrammed "throttle cut" feature.. But if you want that you can just program the same switch to do the same thing.. It really is crazy the way that they have the faq setup with all of the extra "p-mixes" to get this thing to work.. I don't think I had to use any p.mixes at all to get all features operating under glider (which frees up the pmixes for other stuff!).. Also, I don't have any lag at all with the aileron flaps when they are coupled up.. Not sure why that happens (did you use a curve mix for this in the acro mode?) If you still have probs after you switch into glider mode I'll send you a copy of all settings that I have and you could try that!

Anyway, curious to hear what your opinion is.. please let us know how it works!

John..

John, You have become a friggin' expert haven't you!

yes john you are an expert lol.I will program using the glider2 parameters.and I'll take your offer if this doesnt work.curves ??what the hell is that lol.

SURRENDER !!UNCLE!! I am taking the damn thing over to the field and selling it ..I have never tried as hard as I have to make what I thought would be a simple radio program.The radio is screwed up and nothing is working.I think I am getting back to a simple 5 channel set up as I have tottally failed with this.all I wanted I thought was 2 servos on each wing to work as an aileron and then when I wanted just flip a swtich or slider and get some flaps.the crow is a million miles away and likely past history.man this has been so frustrating..

AGH! Don't give up quite yet! What is the problem that you are having in glider2flap mode?

I feel your pain. The first Ultra Stick I had I built with the quad flaps and flew it for about 4 years before a friend drove her into the ground. I'm now on my second and I skipped the quad flaps. I very rarely used the special mixes and wanted a plane to just take out and chase around with. I do feel that the conventional setup makes a more "precise" feeling plane. I don't know if that has more to do with the reduced weight or the one piece full length ailerons.

In response to your old question; everything was functional when I followed the Futaba instructions. I could mix the ail-flp, ail-elev, crow, ect.

What ever configuration you choose, keep at it. The ultra sticks are great planes.

CloudDancer,

Ok, let's take 'her from the top.. I'll go through the setup that I have.. I promise you that unless there is something wrong with your radio that you will be able to get your stick programed properly..

1. Make sure that you have your servo's plugged into the receiver as specified on page 70 of the 9C manual.. I take it that you have at least a 7-8 channel receiver..

Ch1. Rt. Aileron
Ch2. Elevator
Ch3. Throttle (airbrake)
Ch4. Rudder
Ch5. Rt. Flap
Ch6. Lft Flap
Ch7. Rt. Aileron

2. Go ahead and select a blank model on your radio that you know is set to the factory defaults. Also select Glider2Flap (Should be under "parameters")

I have my radio set up so that the switches A,B,C, and D are in their "normal" position (low rates, etc) in the down or towards me position. The top switches F, E, H, and G are in their normal position when they are down or towards the ground as you hold the radio..

Not sure if there is a preferred way to set this up, but here is how I have mine set..

Under the first set of menus (1/2) I have aileron dual rates assigned to switch D, Elevator to swithc A and rudder to switch B.

Under the Reverse menu, I had to reverse ABK, RUD, FL2, and FL1.

Under the AUX-Ch Select: CH5-VRA, CH6-VR-A (this gives you flaps on rotary switch A) I also have CH7-VRC, and CH8 - VR-B.. Not sure what those last two are for, and I think they don't do anything on my airplane, but that's how the radio is setup.

Under the "Parameter" menu.. Type>Glid(2Flap), Module>PPM, ATL>ON

Ok, now for the more exciting stuff.. Advanced menu:

PROG.MIX1 (I have this set up on spring load switch F to act as throttle cut)

MAS>OFST
SLV> 3:ARBK
LINK> Off
SW> F
Posi> Down
Rate> +25
(Side note: I didn't understand at first that when you select a Prog. Mix the first page is rather unhelpful.. after selecting P.Mix 1, hit your down arrow (select (cursor)) and you will find the page with the Mix, master , slave, link, switch and Position)

PROG.MIX2. ( I have this setup for high and low idle.. although I have it defaulted to "null" right now because I don't really use it like I thought that I would, also I've reassigned this switch for knife edge couple issues)

MIX>ON
MAS>OFST
SLV> 3:ARBK
Link>OFF
SW>E
Posi>Null
Rate> +15

PROG. MIX3. (set up to add elevator to compensate for flap deployment or retraction, this could be fine tuned, but works very well at reducing any 'balooning') I have it assigned to a switch, but it is defaulted ON so it is always on..

MIX>ON
MAS> 6:FLP1
SLV> 2:ELEV
LINK> OFF
SW> G
POSI> NULL
RATE> L, 0 H -30 (move your rotary dial A to move the cursor from L to H)
OFFSET. 0

PROG MIX4. (I have this setup for rudder/elevator knife edge coupling... I'm still tweaking the numbers, but these may be a good start for you.. Also on switch E, which now that I remember is why I'm not using HIGH/LOW Idle on that switch)

MIX>OFF
MAS> 4:RUDD
SLV> 2:ELEV
LINK> OFF
TRIM> OFF
SW>E
POSI> DOWN
RATE> +45 -45
OFFSET> 0

PROG. MIX5. (again a knife edge roll coupling thing.. needs more tweaking but a good start)

MIX>OFF
MAS> 4Rudd
SLV> 1:Aile
Link> ON
TRIM>OFF
SW>E
POSI>DOWN
RATE> -45 -45
OFSET> 0

Under "FLAP TRIM" advanced menu:

MIX>ACT
RATE>100

Under "Ail-Diff" advanced menu:

Mix>ACT
Rate:> +100 on all four..

Under Butterfly:

Mix>OFF (notice that for most of these where I have MIX OFF, it changes to ON on your radio when you move the appropriate switch..)
RATE-AIL1> +100
ELEV> -60
FLAP> +100
Ail2> +100
DELAY-ELE> 0
PRESET> 15

Under ELEV-FLAP for your elevator to flap mix..

FLP1/2> UP +50
Down +50
Ail1/2 > up 0
down 0
RANGE> 0
SW> G
POSI> Center&dn

- this enables switch g for your flap/elevator mix in the down and center position..

Under V-Tail..

nothing.. leave this alone..

Under FLAP to Aile.. advanced menu.. This will give you full span flaps! I have not played with this yet, but it works on the ground!

MIX>OFF
RATE> -100
OFFSET> 0
SW> C
POSI> UP

note that now when you move switch C to the full up position, the MIX>OFF should change to ON...

Under AILE-FLP: This gives you the full span ailerons..

MIX>OFF
FLP1> -70 -63
FLP2> -70 -63
SW>C
POSI> Center

under START OFS and SPEED OFS..

don't do anything!!!

under SW/MODE

ARBK-FUNC>Stk
OFSET-SW> G
TRIM> NORM
B.FLY-SW> H
TRIM>Norm

This puts your crow/airbrake/butterfly.. etc on switch H.. You can engage the switch but the butterfly won't deploy until you pull the throttle back.. nice feature for go arounds..




Ok that's it! If this still doesn't work maybe I can get a copy of the actual program onto your campac card if you want.. you are smarter than the radio just don't let it get the best of you!! Let me know if this works!!

John..




PS> I skipped the section on EXPO/Dual rates/ END POINT/ SubTrim/ and Trim because I'm sure you will figure those out.. plus my numbers will probably not be exactly what you need anyway..

I am determined ustick to getr this programed but I see you had my sentiments to a tee after describing your first one.after its done I may decide down the road to just go with conventional ailerons but I feel if thats the extent of my flying I didnt need a (C .its like my pc 10 years back I knew klittle to nothing but eventually learned and ended up putting a neywork in my health facility and found nurses then werent pc literate either lol.. last,I do know how to use rxpo tec ..the ultrstick still become my goto plane eventually.ulgy is beautiful.. dennis

Did you get that thing figured out yet?

hey gear..sorry not to writeback yet.I havent had an opportunity until this weekend to even get in the shop.however I am definitely going at it later today and will let you know for sure.I just got back from being out of the area ..the set up sure looks different from anything futaba says soooooo I am betting it will work.I want to fly it sunday and labor day.let ya know later. thanks again.. dennis

thanks geardaddy I used your setup but without the coupling mixes for knife edge but still it workd for me. and the best part aboutit is that I hall all the functions I had before and still have 6 out of 7 free mixes on my 9c

geardaddy I eventually got it together ..