I realize everyone has there own method and feel for programming their Profile planes. However, I would like to know your prefered method for programming a profile plane. Such things like Flaperons, Spoilerons, mixes? setting up a throttle curve? I am interested in seeing what can really benefit the plane.

Interested to see your radio set-ups. If you can, please list your plane, throws, expo, and any other information you can.

I would like this to be a very informative thread[8D]

My programming is changing all the time on each plane. I make tuning adjustments nearly every day at the field. I keep changing the way I program switches also. I'd love to have a panic mode switch so that I could cut out all mixes and get to a basic setup. Spoilerons/flaperons have gotten me into trouble on a few occasions as well as ailavator mixes. I have always used the rate switches as high rate in the up postion. In a panic, it's a lot harder to pull them down to low than it would be to flip them up. I have also accidently bumped them up with my fat fingers on the sticks. If I wasn't so used to flying this way I'd change that around. I fly a 9C and use the three position just to the left of aileron DR. Up for spoilerons and down for flaperons. I did it this way so I could remember which was which. Up switch is up ailerons with up elevator, down switch is down ailerons with up elevator. This works great except in a panic, that center off position is tough to hit. Profiles aren't so bad but I had a 25% Giles that was a real beast on high rates and viscious with mixes in.
I'd also like to see what others are doing as well.
basmntdweller

I fly with the 9c and there are alot of switches on this radio so I keep it simple and uniform to all my funfly planes.
first on all my planes funfly or not, duel rates are on the left top side in alphabetical order.
so the ailerons switch is the first switch and the elevator is the second switch. I don't need tripple rates. depending on the plane low is calm and high is to kick it up a knotch. with a speed plane high is to take off/land and low is for the speed part of the flight.
then I use flaperon/elevator mix with all my funfly planes. that goes on the right side of the radio on the long two position switch. I use the switch to turn it on or off only, the flaperons slave to my elevator controles. Some planes like it on all the time and others like it off all the time. when it's a plane that likes to have them off usually the only time I turn them on is in tight loops or tight spins..
I have played with spoileron mixing slaved to throttle (throttle below three clicks and spoilerons rise) but I don't fly enough that pushing the plane down on low throttle to get a faster landing time is that important. again though when I did try that I always have it mastered to an on/off switch this way If I don't like it I shut it off and don't have to land. then after the flight I remove it from programing.
I don't mix any other things to my funfly planes. I don't feel the need to at my level.

My interest is strictly 3D, so when you say FunFly, I see a Sledge set up to do 3D. I am also using a 9C. My idea is the same, switches are just in different places. But the same on all planes. I don't do dual rates (crash switches) anymore. I use the DR function to setup dual expo on the extreme throws. THis is manyly because I'm trying to wean off of expo all together. I'll start on, say 20%, then flip the switch to get 10%. That is down from 50% or more. If I get freaked, I'll put it back up.

I use Spoilerons for elevators and harriers, but that is annother crash switch, so you better be on it! In the case of a dead stick, the "spoil" in spoilerons takes on a new meaning. My budies UCD is now a you-can-GLUE due to this. I also have the "up" ele mixed to flaps "up" to tighten waterfals. Again, a switch you don't want to screw up!!!

My 4 strokes are set up with a throttle curve. It is weird to others, but I don't like the way a 4S is so linear. I guess because I flew 2S for so long. Without the curve, I have to move my thumb a long ways to get the range of throttle I spend all my time in. So I use a curve to narrow the throttle range and move it to the bottom. In other words, 75% of my throttle is in the bottom half of the stick 'cause that's where I'm comfortable phyically.

I aslo tighten my aileron gimble to the max, and looen my elevator a lot. This is because I can't seem to keep ailerons out of the ele when doing extreme manuevers.

I fly Futaba 9z and 9c.

I set-up separate dual rates for Elevator, Rudder, and Ailerons, each with alot of expo. I don't see much point in "weaning" off expo. Expo smooths the flying and lets you fly on high rate all the time. My goal is to adjust throw and expo to a point where I am comfortable at high rate all the time. I use the default switches for these.

I set up flaperons and spoilerons on switch c (also the default, front switch just to the right of center). Center position is no mix, up is elev -> flap (up elev -> down ailerons), down if elev -> spoiler (up elev -> up ailerons).

I set the left rear switch on the top (which is spring loaded) as a throttle kill switch on all my planes. The sliders I use for choke on gas planes, and the other switches I leave for programmable mixes, usually to make Knife-Edge flight easier. Once I get the mix right, I usually take it off a switch and make it active all the time.


Once I have a fun-fly dialed in, I fly most of the time on high rates with high expo and with elev -> flap active including take-off and landing. I use the flaperons for STOL, although fun-fliy planes don't really need it.

I would repeat the warning to be careful with switches, and I try to remember to check my switches before each flight. I once was demonstrating my programming to another pilot - A few minutes later I took off, but with spoilerons (not flaperons) active. This kills the lift. To make matters worse, I did my usual cross-runway takeoff. The plane stayed stuck to the ground and ran into the tall grass at high speed. This broke both elevator counter-balances off and made me look foolish. TOC pilots have crashed planes because of similar mistakes, so be careful.

Leonard

And I thought I was the only one who ever did that!!! At least we were on the ground! I use that one now for a little "hey, watch this" show. throlle up and slowly pull back, my crazy legs spread out, and the prop will mow the grass!!! Looks very funny and always gets a laugh. To turn it into an OOOOOOOH just flip the switch and yank into a hover.

I'm getting out of the Expo mode because I don't like moving my fingers so far to get the throw I need, little thing Gary seeloff got me doing. It's for sure personal preference, I feel more in control.

I do run dual rates but mostly for the first flight and in case someone wants to fly my bird. All the rates are on one switch to keep it simple. I fly on high rates most of time. I found that landing on rates other than what I used in 99% of my flying was wierd. I want all the extra throw. On the other hand the guy that taught me how to fly asked to one of my planes and almost crashed it on take off because the ailerons were so touchy. I think twice about letting anyone fly my birds now.
I have flaperons and spoilerons on a 3 way switch (9c) but almost never use them. I have had one little foamy that really liked spoilerons but I think the planes we are flying right now are so well designed they might not need them anymore.
I have a throttle kill switch for safety and I like pulling up to me feet and hitting the switch.
That's all I have on my stuff. I may look into to throttle curves for my electric profiles to get a better "fat" range for hovering.

i just throw some expo (-30%futaba 8uaf) on the throttle so that you have more resolution in the hover range than normal. i use the 3 way switch for the spoil-off-flap setup.
i like "the crash switch" it can be very true, dual rates can screw me up so i stopped using them, but i have found that i have been reducing throws on my stuff to the point where they fly more consistent and still do flat spins and everything else, but i still love huge aileron thow all the time.
I'm still on the fence about whether expo is a bad thing or not, i reduced my expo then started adding back again because i found my flying to not be as smooth as i liked without using D/R, i found i was overcorrecting on hovers even with the smallest stick movements. I dont want to start a whole EXPO debate but what are your thoughts on this people??

I agree, I get those ailerons as big as possible and I am starting to do less throw on the rudder and ele. I'm pulling it back until I can tell I need more and then I dial it up a little and leave it alone. It is a lot hard for me to get a good inverted flat spin with 90 degree throws.

So in 3D.

flaperons: elev -> flap (up elev -> down ailerons).
Use this to make tighter loops right?

spoilerons: elev -> spoiler (up elev -> up ailerons).
Shouldn't this be down elev - > up ailerons. Use this for tighter waterfalls right?

But it is also down elev -> up ailerons for tighter outside loops (ie waterfalls)

NOT used for waterfalls - used to kill wing lift and encourage a stalled wing --- harriers/elevators.


Leonard

Generally speaking, aileron movement is opposite elevator for flaperons and in same direction as elevator for spoilerons. I have mine setup with proportional travel throughout the elevator travel. I may not use full aileron travel in flaperon mode but full up elevator gets the same amount of down aileron as full down elevator gives to up aileron. Clear as mud huh! I wrote that last bit and it's even hard for me to understand it after rereading it.
Waterfalls can be done in either direction, flip to the belly or to the canopy. Spoilerons, i.e. Down elevator and down aileron in a hover condition makes the plane pivot around the CG moreso than flaperons which make the plane want to fly forward and loop. My EF Edge 540 does a better waterfall than most of my other planes and I haven't even added flaperon or spoileron mixes yet! I may not ever put them in. It flies so good with just a basic setup I hate to change it!
basmntdweller

So does this also create the condition of Down elev -- Down Ailerons....
Whats that used for?

I've read it 7 times. I'm going to go open a beer and see if it helps.

An ice cold Bud never hurts!

I have the usual, but my main thing is setting up all the sticks so that every stick is on "low" or "off" in the "up" position. Low idle, throttle kill "off", low rates, both flaperons and spoilerons off. This way everytime I get set to start the engine and take off I just make sure all switches are "up". If I get confused, have a close call and need a break, I can just sweep across the switches and they are all "back to basic". Don't have to look or think about it.

Inverted harrier/elevator


So they tell me - these two are beyond my abilities.


Leonard

I think what you are saying is that you have the ailerons linked to the elevator. The aileron servos are set with exponential travel and only go to say 50% of the total aileron servo deflection as an endpoint. As opposed to the elevator servos that go to 100% deflection linked or unlinked. You have the rate and amount of travel equal for either direction of the aileron servo.

Yeh, that's it! That applies for both spoilerons and flaperons. I generally use more spoileron than flaperon. One note, some planes will behave backwards with flaperons. Lots of down aileron can over ride the leverage of up elevator and you end up with control reversal. I found that out first hand on my Wasp.
later,,,basmntdweller

Sounds good so far. I got my Saito 72 today, my profile is almost done. I will post my radio preferences as I go through them and list the changes and what I might need (mixes).

i fly with my duel rates on one switch so its easy to turn on and off, i have a switch for spoilerons and and a elevator spoileron mix as well, i try to keep its simple. this is on a hitec eclipse 7, nice, cheap, and hi end features